
This month will pass with no vote on issuing bonds for the new downtown convention center.
The talk is the vote could come up in April or May. Some call it a delay. In the Mayor's office, everything is on target and the financing will be needed to meet the land acquisition schedule this summer.
Originally, the hope had been that the bond vote would have happened in January or February. But obviously the timing wasn't right since the credit markets were still in a tizzy.
Credit markets still are tight and the Mayor’s office has been dealing with storm water and budget issues. An underwriter has been selected for the bonds, a major step toward moving forward.
The vote, however, could come as budget hearings begin and we see Metro's tight financial situation. With the prospect of more trimming, the vote likely could bring more cries from sectors of the public that believe the city shouldn't be considering construction on a $1 billion convention center and hotel when there are under-funded programs.
And this is where the legion of proponents of the convention center will need to renew their sales pitch and make seemingly counterintuitive arguments against myopic ones.
They will have to explain once again that the tax revenue generated to pay off bonds can simply be transferred to other uses in the city. Visitors pay those taxes, which are governed by state law.
Even if it wanted to, the city can't just divert that pot of money to other uses. Plus, visitors might not look too kindly on helping fund schools in Nashville when they may be coming from a city with similar issues.
Convention center proponents once again will have to fend off claims adding space here when there's overbuilding in the convention industry. Opponents also will bring up the question of why build when the convention and meeting business is struggling now.
That will lead to the position, once again, that this project absolutely will fall back on Nashville taxpayers — that there's no way that the tax revenues from visitors will cover the bond repayment. Yet, no example exists locally where the city has had to renege on such a promise on a major municipal project.
The response to all this most likely will be that Nashville has cemented its place in the national convention business as a destination and it wants to stay there. Who cares if there are other cities wanting to get into the business with convention centers of their own or others are expanding?
Proponents will note that Nashville is already there with its reputation and has a better competitive advantage. In addition, trends show that the industry revives with the economy. Videoconferencing hasn't killed the industry as had been predicted at one point. People still like to meet face-to-face when they can. Cities with a competitive edge will get the business.
Others will bring up Gaylord Entertainment's decision to put its expansion on the shelf as justification for why Nashville should do that same. Of course, that didn't stop the company from moving forward with plans in Mesa, Ariz., and voters there just approved a bevy of tax incentives for the company.
The biggest point proponents will make is that now is the time to begin building.
For starters, it could be considered a "stimulus package" of our own, one that Nashville taxpayers won't have to fund. Construction means jobs for a hard hit industry.
Secondly, construction costs are lower now because of the economy. This is where the counterintuitive thinking comes into play — begin building when the economy is down so you can catch it on the upswing.
There's talk that costs are down some 20 percent as construction companies seek jobs to keep their people employed. Materials costs have come down as well.
Locking in now could mean the convention center actually comes in at the stated price or maybe lower. It would be a miracle, for sure. But if either happened, then what would all the people say who were dead set on the opinion that the project will cost more than budgeted?
If the city had to wait until the economy improved and subsequently the convention industry's fortunes to build, then chances are city would catch the cycle in a different place and costs would be higher. That could be a surefire way of the convention center costing more than planned.
Great article. I think it needs to be built as soon as possible. It won't be open for 3 years and the economy should be reviving by then.
FTA - "Yet, no example exists locally where the city has had to renege on such a promise on a major municipal project."Less than one week ago, Craftons resolution was "deferred" because the city would NOT make that promise. I guess you can't break a promise not made.Convention Center funding resolution deferredhttp://www.nashvillecitypaper.com/news.php?viewStory=66867
Let's assume that the incremental taxes generated by this project were enough to payback the bonds (which it won't). Who will cover the millions of dollars in operating losses generated on a yearly basis?
How do you know they won't
Dragon, that's not why it was deferred. The promise was made long ago.
Good article mr. lawson
From my referenced article:"Riebeling, who called Crafton’s memorializing resolution premature, said a plan to fund and build Music City Center could be in front of Council in the next few months."So, tell us Richard, why do YOU think it was deferred. Certainly not because Riebeling wasn't ready to make the promise.
I don't know they won't. How do you know they will? One billion is a lot of money to gamble considering the track record of convention centers across the country. I also tend to believe that capitalism has better insight as to what needs to be built. Gaylord's decision to shelve its expansion plans says a lot to me. The government needs to get out of the business of competing with private industry. If the risk/return is solid, someone will step forward and build convention space in Nashville (Gaylord or other enterprise). The problem here is the risk is way too high. Plain and simple. Basic economics.
"The Convention Center Wars and the Decline of Local Democracy"http://www.allacademic.com/meta/p_mla_apa_research_citation/0/6/2/1/4/p62140_index.html"Kansas City Braces for 2009 Decline in Convention Center, Bookings"http://www.mimegasite.com/mimegasite/destination_guide/midwest/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003896175"In Defense of Meetings, Las Vegas CVA Introduces 'Crisis Response' Plan, Web Site"http://www.mimegasite.com/mimegasite/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003951565"Convention facilities remain optimistic despite drop-off"http://austin.bizjournals.com/austin/business_travel/story/biz/2021.html "The sweet spot, Portman said, continues to be with small to midsized groups, ranging from about 500 to 4,000 attendees.""Las Vegas Suspends Work on Convention Center" That is an $890 millions project folkshttp://meetingsnet.com/associationmeetings/news/las_vegas_convention_center_0316/"Raleigh Officials Heavily Discount Convention Center""It took deep markdowns to get the first 164 conventions to sign"http://www.carolinajournal.com/exclusives/display_exclusive.html?id=5020Funny how other Tennessee cities were able to use hotel/motel taxes for the people, not just the tourism overlords. Franklin is buying and buildings parks. Also I wonder where Nashville's place on the convention list would be without Gaylord? Most of that list is made up of cities with large,private facilities. Looks like the way to get on that list is not by going with a single public facility and driving the others from their niches. "Convention Center seeks RAD funds to offset operating losses"http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08247/908888-53.stm"Promised convention center boom hasn't come"http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08272/915704-85.stm?cmpid=MOSTEMAILEDBOX"Business meetings could get smaller if economy falters"(how Nostra was this story?)http://www.usatoday.com/travel/news/2008-09-08-conventions_N.htmand finally from Boston..."Capping the convention center money pit"http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2007/05/06/capping_the_convention_center_money_pit/
From Atlanta:The annual audit reportof the Georgia World Congress CenterOperating LOSS of $4,835,296.51 for the GWCC fund. Depreciation drives that loss to $5,077,987.99. Non Operating revenues (the taxes)were used to cover the losses. (Something they have room to do with their hotel/motel taxes and something we cannot do judging my the unwillingness for a revenue bond requirement). Also to save money the GWCC put their employees under the state's retirement system, making the state responsible for covering those operating expenses. Same with retiree (OPEB) health benefits.I have looked back at previous years. The GWCC has apparently lost money every year. Yes there were years and period they beat expectations, but the expectations were set low enough to still be losses.Then there is St. Louis, the city that has not defaulted on its debt, but it has had to refinance (with the city) the debt to avoid default, TWICE. Once for the center itself, and once again for the hotels. The hotel has managed to lose money faster than the convention center and has driven down the room rates for all the hotels in order to cover fixed costs. Of course this bothers the other hotel owners but since they lobbied for the white elephant they cannot really complain and keep a straight face. In Dallas they still have not exhausted all money pit construction. They are trying to get a hotel started before voters can kill it. Something the folks in St Louis wished they would have done.
My bad, GWCC made an operating profit in fy2006 due to the transfer of meetings to that facility after Katrina hit New Orleans. They promised that it would be a one time event though
It was deferred because it's not necessary. The plan all along has been revenue bonds. That's why the tax streams were put in place by state law. (Parks could fall under tourist attraction and therefore can be justified. Preds subsidy is paid in part out of hotel motel taxes.) As I've written before, what politician isn't going to jump through hoops to make sure that taxpayers don't subsidize the thing down the road. Magnum read the part about Gaylord. Gaylord shelves plans but then gets votes in Mesa, Ariz., to give it tax breaks there. And if it was truly private, why tax breaks? Even the private sector won't do it without public help. In an ideal world, there wouldn't be tax breaks for anything of the kind or development or attracting companies. It's an unfortunate reality as cites compete for jobs, build the tax base and so on.
Senior Centers fall under state law?
So Mr. Lawson, you've clearly done more homework than I have...so here's the real question. Do you truly believe this thing will not cost the taxpayers a dime? Seriously? Forget all the politics and false promises. Not even to cover operating losses? I say it again...risk/return. It won't float.
Predators never cost us taxpayers a dime. Except....
Mr. Lawson doesn't answer because the building of this third convention center in Nashville is a done deal and they don't care what the real truth is. I think they owe the 100,000 property tax paying citizens of Nashville who will pay at least 20% of the Convention Center (not the Hotel)building budget a revised Business Model based on the sad state of affairs in the United States that is being repaired with more and more borrowed money. Will that Business model say go or no go? Every thing I read is an opinion in Mr. Larson's column. Jeff has more facts. I wonder how they can spend so much money now before the bonds are actually sold? It is a done deal.
Richard,Thank you for being so thorough on your reporting. It doesn't happen much and it is appreciated.