Councilman: Pro-fairgrounds PR head should register as lobbyist

Friday, December 10, 2010 at 4:25pm

Metro Councilman Rip Ryman says Darden Copeland, the paid public relations force behind the push to save the Metro-owned fairgrounds and racetrack, should register as a lobbyist with the Metro Clerk’s Office.

Copeland, the subject of a recent City Paper story, heads a group called Save My Fairgrounds Inc., which has evolved into the communications arm for Nashvillians hoping to preserve the fairgrounds in its current form. 

Late Thursday, Copeland distributed a news release in response to a story reported by The City Paper that four new council members have sponsored legislation that would keep the state fair and expo center at the 117-acre fairgrounds but demolish the property’s racetrack. The additions bring the number of bill sponsors to nine. 

The release, in part, read:

“Even before the December 21st first reading of their bill and a January 10th public hearing, Council members Jim Forkum, Walter Hunt, Kristine LaLonde and Parker Toler have signaled their intention to vote in favor of tearing down the Nashville Speedway and discontinuing the Tennessee State Fair and Expo business. The hasty move by these Council members shows they have no interest in holding a public hearing, and have little respect for the views and opinions of the public. Like most Nashvillians, Save My Fairgrounds never believed Forkum, Hunt, LaLonde or Toler would vote the will of the majority of the people.”

The message prompted an email response from Ryman, one of the original five members to sign on to the legislation.

“Darden, it appears that you are a lobbyist as you refer a lot of your remarks to council members in regards to the fairgrounds legislation,” Ryman wrote. “I noticed however that you are not listed with the Metropolitan Clerk’s office as an official Lobbyist. I would encourage you to do that as soon as possible.”  

Contacted by The City Paper, Copeland said he’s “disappointed that Rip would do that,” adding that he doesn't believe any of his actions through Save My Fairgrounds Inc. to date should be construed as lobbying. 

"I'm not lobbying anyone," Copeland said. "I don't believe I need to register as a lobbyist at this time. But out of caution, I will register at the appropriate time. The bill hasn't even come up on first reading yet." 

 

In Metro, lobby means “to communicate, directly or indirectly, with any official in the legislative branch or executive branch for pay or for any consideration, for the purpose of influencing any legislative action or administrative action.”

 

40 Comments on this post:

By: catenarykat on 12/10/10 at 3:37

Good job of reporting on this, Joey Garrison. However, I'd like to know the names of all nine councilmen, and I must have missed the original story. We have these four, Ryman, and then four "original" members who are unnamed in this story. Who are they?
I agree wholeheartedly with them, by the way. Mayor Dean has tried to do what is best for the taxpayers and the economy.

By: JeffF on 12/10/10 at 3:58

I am sure he will be in line to register just as soon as MP&F get in line to register for their previous work lobbying the council (with taxpayer money) for several Dean projects, including the convention center.

By: left on 12/10/10 at 4:18

What pet projects does Rip have going?

By: bfra on 12/10/10 at 4:40

I'm with Jeff! Here again, taxpayers should be given a full disclosure, of how their money if being spent, at Karl's whims.

By: hottrodd on 12/10/10 at 5:09

voice of nashvie that karl dean refuses to hear

some more of karl deans pupets in action, mr.dean has them trained well doesent he
i wonder if they sit, beg and roll over at mr. deans comand ?
it comes down to karl dean doesnt want to hear the or care what the people want in nashville
hes mayor and can do what he damn please to do
i pray to god that nashvilles good people see what karl dean is doing to us and pray hes a { 1 } term mayor
let him play in the park its fine he has that right just like us race fans , we have the same right to enjoy auto raceing , car shows flea markets our fair grounds !
NOT KARL DEANS BUT THE PEOPLE OF NASHVILLES FAIRGROUNDS !

By: relliott on 12/10/10 at 6:11

I think we should keep the race track/fairgrounds and get rid of the council!

By: karlwithak on 12/10/10 at 7:51

This is the same Ripoff Ryman that stood in a longtime neighbors house, a friend to Ryman and swore "I'm gonna fight this thing tooth and nail they aren't taking away our racetrack and fairgrounds"
Hey Ryman, You're a liar !
Think back to all you told you would save the fairgrounds, people don't forget what you say. You sold out, they all know it and are telling every person they know.
Look at who you are surrounding yourself with. Rich Reibeling a 4ft tall thief who thinks he's better than everyone and that includes you. He's gonna be eaten alive in prison just you watch. I hope you enjoyed the last 10 years of stealing the city blind over your ego little man.
And Karl Dean whose legacy will go down for making the biggest political misstep in Tn history, Let the dance begin !
Sold your soul to the wrong man for the wrong plan, hoped you were smarter than those on the titanic and brought your own boat, this ship is going to sink and it's the public will stand by and watch you drown.

By: RJP on 12/10/10 at 8:48

rjp Are the council members and mayor registered as lobbist. And do 40000 people that signed the save my fairgrounds and race track petition also need to register in order to talk to a council member, how can the council members say they listen to the people in their areas. what happened to FOR THE PEOPLE BY THE PEOPLE! Can some one tell me how many people live in the area that may have a vote or a say in what they would like to see happen. Shorter terms, less damage control. NOT LIKING THIS SECRET STUFF AND WE DON'T MATTER. Mr Copeland just call it your education fund , and close the door before you take the money, try it , may work for you too !

By: ds on 12/11/10 at 12:32

Most people in Nashville want the fairgrounds developed and the racetrack gone.

By: fair_minded on 12/11/10 at 12:48

Is that why 45,000 have signed a petition to save the Fairgrounds, and no one has signed one to destroy it??

By: fair_minded on 12/11/10 at 12:50

and just a question for mr. ryman -- does this mean that ministers, who are paid, would have to register if they contact council on behalf of their congregation??

By: fair_minded on 12/11/10 at 1:01

and one other thing for Mr. Ryman... he needs to read the metro ordinances...

D. A person need not register with the metropolitan
clerk pursuant to this section if he is:
1. A public official performing the duties of his
office;
2. A person, or a duly licensed attorney-at-law acting
in a representative capacity on behalf of a client, appearing
before an official in the executive branch for the purpose
of determining or obtaining his legal rights and obligations
by presenting evidence, making oral arguments, or
submitting written briefs to the official; or
3. An editor or working member of the press, radio or
television who, in the ordinary course of business,
disseminates news or editorial comment to the general
public.
E. Registration is required if such person engages in
lobbying that would directly or specifically benefit the
economic, business or professional interest of such person
or his employer.

Under D-2, Mr.Copeland's activities are allowed and he is exempted by E. because he represents a non-profit organization, thus there are no economic, business or professional interests involved.

of course Mr. Ryman apparently has not read or followed the law pertaining to the Fairgrounds, so I don't know why we'd expect him to have actually read this one.

http://www.nashville.gov/images/gifs/mc/LOBBYIST_LAW_TEMPORARY_LINK.pdf

By: ds on 12/11/10 at 1:47

the racetrack is not financially sustainable. That's all there is to it. Why do people want to defamate the character of council members who want to do the right thing for Nashville and taxpayers. 45k signatures, yeah whatever. There are about 600k or so Nashvillians who aren't race fans and don't go to the flea market and want the fairgrounds cleaned up. There are also several hundred thousand Nashvillians who want and NEED tax revenues to pay for schools, police, etc.
Please don't insult my intelligence or anyone else for that matter by stating that the present events there are bringing in tax revenue because it isn't. The city of Nashville and taxpayers are losing out on alot of money. If you put ONE Starbuck's there it would bring in more revenue, (and also be enjoyed by more Nashvillians).
I am not against the preservation of Nashville's heritage. If refurbishing the racetrack would be good for the city and many people would come and enjoy it, then I would be for it. But, quite simply, it would not. The average citizen would flock to any development at the fairgrounds that offered amenities that the average person would enjoy. If the average person had a choice between a free ticket to a car race or a gift card to McDonald's , what would they choose? McDonald's of course. If the average person had a choice between the flea market and tickets to a movie, what would they choose? The Movies , of course. And so on and so on. Whatever is developed at the fairgrounds it will be enjoyed by thousands of Nashvillians every day, (as opposed to one weekend a month).
Please don't let your hobby get in the way of the enjoyment of many fellow citizens and the tax revenue needed by a city of nearly 1 million people.
By the way, if you knock on doors in my neighborhood, (next to the fairgrounds), you might be wasting your time because most everybody in the neighborhood want the racetrack gone.

By: fair_minded on 12/11/10 at 3:15

ds - give us some facts, not just your opinions...

the score is still 45,000 to zero on petitions, and same with neighborhood residents... there are already hundreds of residents of the Fairgrounds neighborhood who want the Fairgrounds-- including the racetrack --to stay. There are even dozens of people in your neighborhood (assuming you actually live there) who moved to that neighborhood in order to be *close* to the racetrack or the Fairgrounds itself...

And I guess your intelligence needs to be insulted-- metro annually makes over $20k per year just in temporary tax permits for vendors at the Fairgrounds-- not counting the taxes actually collected, and money spent at hotels, restaurants, gas stations, etc.

Fact is, the Fairgrounds currently brings over a million visitors each year to Davidson County and has approximately $60 million per year in economic impact... (metro's own figures) ... especially when you consider the tax breaks that would be given and infrastructure improvements that would be required to support any type of major development there, there is little chance that anything built in that spot would bring more economic impact that what is there now...

but it's not all about money-- thousands of Nashville residents *enjoy* the activities at the Fairgrounds... it's entertainment and recreational as well as profitable. Remember that metro pays nothing for the benefits of the Fairgrounds-- it's been self-supporting for over 100 years and still have over $7million in retained earnings. In fact, the Fairgrounds pays metro hundreds of thousands of dollars each year in inflated "costs" for services supposedly rendered. And there is no other place for these events-- remember, that's the reason the time-frame has been extended another year-- after a year of effort, the mayor and his staff have been unable to come up with any alternate solutions that are financially feasible.

Using your logic, we should just sell all the metro parks and get out of the park business-- after all, they only cost taxpayers money. And look at all the lost income from that real estate! Gosh, just think what we could get if we leveled Centennial Park and put a Burger King there! And put your Starbucks there too-- it's a better fit in that neighborhood anyway!

The much maligned Markin Report that the mayor and others like to misquote determined that the State Fair and the other Fairgrounds activities were "extremely viable" and estimated than any mixed-use development of the property would only have about $45 million in economic impact *after a 15-20 year period.*

By: bfra on 12/11/10 at 4:37

There are about 600k or so Nashvillians who aren't race fans and don't go to the flea market and want the fairgrounds cleaned up. There are also several hundred thousand Nashvillians who want and NEED tax revenues to pay for schools, police, etc.
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ds - Where is your proof of what 600K Nashvillians want? On the need of money for schools, I agree, but Karl and cohorts have already shown, they could care less about schools. Karl is only interested in his, boost my ego, projects.

By: ds on 12/11/10 at 7:59

the convention center wasn't Karl Dean's project.

I am truly sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but the fairgrounds is not financially sustainable, period.

fair-minded, you are insinuating that I would rather see development over parks/recreation. Well, the racetrack being demolished and 40 acres being made into a park is something I am in favor of.

By: cowgirl45 on 12/11/10 at 8:05

No one has even mentioned on here that the land where the fairgrounds is was donated apprx. 100 years ago to be used for the fairgrounds period. That is not Karl Dean's land or the Metro government land to do with at their greedy will. Its like ignoring the wishes and the paperwork that the person who gave this land specifically for the fairgrounds doesn't matter to Karl Dean or Metro government. He is a arrogant person who doesn't listen to the people at all. Just like Obama who lies and lies and keeps on lieing to the people. People when are you going to get enough of this crap and tell our government officials you are fired!! Its all about the government officicals being so greedy they are selling their souls and the property that does not belong to them to the highest bidder and these people will for sure get a kick back you can count on it. These people just keep getting richer and richer. About the neighborhood you moved their after the fairgrounds was there and the speedway so get over it. I'm sure there is not 1 person that was there before the fairgrounds was donated if so I would like to hear from you. There are more people who want the fair & speedway to remain where its at. It seems Karl Dean again is lieing again and saying people want it moved...WHO? The ones who moved there after the fairgrounds was donated specifically for the fair...Karl Dean get over it and get out of town you will be voted out at next election!!!

By: cowgirl45 on 12/11/10 at 8:07

Oh by the way the big Corporation HCA is the one that wants this property for free. People wake up and stop this giving away our land and our fair to this corrupt and greedy Corp. of HCA.

By: Loner on 12/11/10 at 8:20

Hey, Forkum, if they can't take a joke.

By: bfra on 12/11/10 at 8:46

ds you have responded, after I ask, but failed to show proof of your claim, as to what 600K Nashvillians want? Do you have problems, backing your claim?

By: MAmom on 12/11/10 at 8:55

RJP said above: NOT LIKING THIS SECRET STUFF AND WE DON'T MATTER
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MORE (NEW) LESS-THAN-HONEST BEHAVIOR FROM DEAN and his "redevelopment" conspirators:

(1) After he Hickory-Hollow-Mall/CBL lease bill failed Dean said he wanted a "cooling off period". Then ALMOST IMMEDIATELY his supporters submitted a bill to demolish the racetrack & give the other Fairgrounds users (the public and vendors) a 1-year reprieve. With no long term accomodation for any of these.

(2) Behind the scenes people affiliated with Dean are trying to get charity money from a Pepsi website contest by claiming the current State Fair is EXTINCT. Implying that the decision is made. This website must have been in progress for some time... possibly before the "redevelopment" bills were even made public.

On the www.refresheverything.com/savethetnstatefair website an organization called "Tennessee State Fair Association" says:

"NASHVILLE OFFICIALS DECIDED TO CEASE operations of the TN State Fair so they can REDEVELOP the property for a 'HIGHER AND BETTER USE." This 104 year old tradition is on the brink of EXTINCTION. We have created a non-profit to save the fair and are getting private funding to operate a fair in 2010."

AREN'T these assertions JUST a little PREMATURE since:
-the bill hasn't come up for first reading yet?
-the Council has not yet approved any bills about "redevelopment" yet? and
-the public meeting to discuss the two opposing bills is not scheduled to occur until January?

Someone working with the DEAN has assembled a pretty, innocent-looking website which DUPES PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT AWARE OF THE SITUATION into voting for their "cause" - by making innocents think they are helping a failed Fair. And if they get enough votes they win $250,000 from Pepsi - to "redevelop" the Fairgrounds - NOT TO SAVE THE FAIRGROUNDS.

YOU CAN MAKE COMMENTS ON THE SITE! A few of us have already started warning people what the website is really about.

PEPSI is TRYING TO DO SOMETHING GOOD BY GIVING MONEY TO CHARITY. MAYBE EMAIL PEPSI or the website to let them know the real situation.
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The Highest and Best Use for the Fairgrounds is to let the people of Nashville and Middle Tennessee use it - AS WAS ORIGINALLY INTENDED.

Make Dean a 1-term mayor.

By: karlwithak on 12/11/10 at 8:58

Ok DS, Out of those 600,000, only 52,000 voted for Dean to be Mayor.....

45,000 signatures are opposed to what he stands for and is trying to do and that number grows by the HOUR. He's toast, this scandal will show you what that other half million think and it won't be the same as Dean.

By: karlwithak on 12/11/10 at 9:01

Pepsi is a large sponsor of what drivers ?

Dale Earnhardt Jr, and Jeff Gordon.

What car is on the signs snap is distributing to ban the speedway ?
Jimmie Johnson. And who owns these teams ?
Rick Hendrick and he's got photos of the signs and is NOT happy, Lowes is NOT Happy, and now Pepsi is NOT happy.

I'd say that's a few people with political clout to shred dean and his hired neighborhood "activistis"

By: MAmom on 12/11/10 at 9:30

Pepsi is trying to do good - helping charitable causes. When they understand what is going on here - they may pull the website. They and innocent-websurfers have been duped into helping Dean and his conspirators "redevelop" (i.e.: destroy) the Fairgrounds.

Maybe influential people like Dale Earnhardt Jr or Jeff Gordon can contact Pepsi directly about this.

We can let Pepsi know the situation. The FAQ section of the site gives contact information:
"For general promotion questions including application submissions and more, contact Young America at 1-800-768-2784 or PepsiRefresh@young-america.com

Also, there is a Comments section on the page - unfortunately - it is at the very bottom of the page.

By: orangey on 12/11/10 at 9:41

Metro Nashville should not be on the hook to subsidize a short track racing hobby for a few hundred people. Redeveloping the oval near brown's creek for a park that anyone in metro can enjoy is a great idea. There is a fine, modern race facility over in Gladeville. That shouldn't be too far to drive for anyone who would drive 200 miles in a circle.

By: MAmom on 12/11/10 at 10:15

the FAIRGROUNDS PROPERTY ARE AND ALWAYS HAVE BEEN SELF-SUSTAINING. METRO HAS NEVER PAID A DIME TO SUPPORT THE FAIRGROUNDS.

Recently the race track has not been as profitable as in the past. This is because of bad oversight and intentional sabotage by Dean and his Fair Board. Last year they ONLY ALLOWED 5 RACES! They also entered into bad agreements a few years ago with people which resulted in good race venues being moved to other places.

The Fairgrounds are still profitable, but profits are down because of BAD OVERSIGHT and INTENTIONAL SABOTAGE by Dean and the Fair Board (and Dean selects the people who are on the Fair Board).

Until Dean is gone or GOVERNANCE of the Fairgrounds changes, the property will be at risk by opportunists.
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Learn more about saving the Fairgrounds at:
http://savemyfairgrounds.com/
http://fairgroundsheritage.org/
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SAVE THE FAIRGROUNDS!

MAKE DEAN A 1-TERM MAYOR!

By: MAmom on 12/11/10 at 10:33

Neat stuff goes on at the Fairgrounds (ds - this is better than going to the movies or McDonalds):

At the Fairgrounds today:
1) The Toy Train Shw
2) Mid-TN Jewelry, Gem, Fossil and Mineral Show
3) the Metro Nashville Retiree Luncheon

At the Fairgrounds next week:
Flea Market weekend - all buildings

In January:
1/8 - the Goodman Gun Show
1/15 - Nashville Auto Fest
1/21 - Flea Market weekend
1/28 - the Nashville Fishing and Boat Show

By: govskeptic on 12/11/10 at 12:13

Rip spent enough time in a former Mayor's office to know that
telling the truth is a now and then proposition that he can live with.
He and Mayor Dean think we won't remember any of these tricks
a year from now, come the election. Wrong on that one Mr. Mayor!
Rip needs to get a legal pad and write down the names of many-
many others he calls on to Register as lobbyist if this is criteria.

By: RJP on 12/11/10 at 12:15

rjp MAmom , I looked up a few facts on line, there is 624000 people in davison county only 311000 registered voters. We vote for dancing with the stars with a cell phone, i get a text every day from country music television to check out this artist or for a chance to win something, one vote for one number. If you truly want to hear what people would like to see happen. Cant something like this be put into place, seems like a good way to stay i touch with whats going on. Whats the cost on that system.Maybe the country music ceo's can turn it into a jewel again, they seem to know how to put on a show!Can anyone tell me how many race cars were just in forida for the snow ball race, and average crews and the cost to enter . I under stand they have some pretty strick rules.Also alot of nascar big dog drivers came to the show.One last thing, also heard if your car is caught bending the rules you get sent to the house,and there is no refund.Really would like to see true numbers on this.thanks again city paper.

By: MAmom on 12/11/10 at 1:06

When I run errands I talk to people about this issue. So far NOT ONE PERSON WANTS REDEVELOPMENT - at least not regular people you run into at the Post Office, grocery store, K-mart, etc. People want the Fairgrounds and they want it run properly (not by the mayor and his appointees).

Most people are not able to stay current with the Fairgrounds "fight" because they are busy & this story is not covered by the Tennessean. And television stations only cover it when something "hot" happens.

So when told one bill has been withdrawn & the other one hasn't even been through first reading - they are surprised!

The problem is lack of knowledge & people not knowing what they can do to stop Dean and his "redevelopment" schemes. We have to help them understand what they can do to save the Fairgrounds.

I advise them to:
1. sign the petition to save the Fairgrounds at http://savemyfairgrounds.com/
2. go to http://fairgroundsheritage.org/ to learn more about the history and legal situation regarding the Fairrounds.
3. Call / email the Metro Council to let them know how they feel about the Fairgrounds
4. Talk to people they know about Dean's Fairgrounds "redevelopment" plans, and
5. Come to the Council meetings. Next one on 12/21.

SAVE THE FAIRGROUNDS!

MAKE DEAN A 1-TERM MAYOR!

By: hottrodd on 12/11/10 at 2:06

voice of nashvie that karl dean refuses to hear

LOOK AT All the people and bussiness dean put out of bussiness or flat came in and told them they had to move for one of his { pet projects the new convention center } loOK AT THE MESS THAT DOWNTOWN IS IN NOW !
WE DIDNT NEED THIS NEW MULTY MILLION DOLLAR CENTER MOST OF US WILL NEVER EVEN ENTER THE BUILDING OR BENIFIT FROM IT
AND NOW THAT HE HAS IT ON ITS WAY, HES SET HIS SITES ON THE FAIRGROUNDS
KARL DEAN AND HIS TRAINED PUPPETS HAVE GOT TO BE STOPPED ITS TIME TO REMEMBER THESE THINGS AT ELECTION TIME
EVERY ONE NEEDS TO VOTE , GET OUT AND VOICE YOUR OPION AND VOTE MAKE SURE KARL DEAN IS A 1 TEARM FAILER AS A MAYOR !!
IF YOUR A TRUE NASHVLLE NATIVE AND ENJOY THE FAIRGROUNDS/ RACETRACK WELL THEN FIGHT FOR IT DONT LET DEANS OVERSIZED EGO TAKE IT FROM US

By: fair_minded on 12/11/10 at 4:57

ds said - I am truly sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but the fairgrounds is not financially sustainable, period.
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hmm.. sounds like you've been drinking the Karl-Aid a bit too much.... the Fairgrounds have done pretty good for 104 years-- show me any business in this county that's lasted longer! Yes, its low on cash at the moment, but it has $1.2 million in cash in the bank, it's retained earnings (according to metro finance) are over $7million and it's sitting on property worth more than $50 million which it has the authority to mortgage for "fair purposes." This could included operating expenses as well and improvements. So there is *non-tax* money available to renew the Fairgrounds if we can get metro's hand out of the till and a Fair Board who will not fail in their duty to preserve, maintain, and promote the Fairgrounds instead of setting them up to fail like the current board has done. Of course it wouldn't hurt if metro would return some of the cash it's leeched out of the Fairgrounds the past 10 yrs-- that in itself would be enough to renew the facility.

ds said -- fair-minded, you are insinuating that I would rather see development over parks/recreation. Well, the racetrack being demolished and 40 acres being made into a park is something I am in favor of.
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that basically *is* what you're saying. the Fairgrounds are like a big recreation/entertainment/community center for not only metro citizens, but the entire region. Fixing up the Fairgrounds does not have to mean the destruction of any of it. See a proposal made over 2.5 years ago by the Fairgrounds Heritage Preservation Group that recommends new landscaping, a greenway along Brown's Creek, renewal of Brown's Creek, and a park area in the flood plain -- including open fields and picnic shelters. ( I bet you thought the mayor came up with those ideas!) And the racetrack is still there-- although it is suggested to install sound barriers and walls in addition to landscaping to cut the sound down-- sound either from racing or concerts or other events suitable to the grandstand area. See the proposal at http://fairgroundsheritage.org/index.php?p=pr

Fairgrounds supporters want the Fairgrounds improved -- not destroyed for another failed and empty commercial development.

By: fair_minded on 12/11/10 at 6:13

ds said - By the way, if you knock on doors in my neighborhood, (next to the fairgrounds), you might be wasting your time because most everybody in the neighborhood want the racetrack gone.
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This just in:

Fairgrounds Supporters Take to the Streets in District 17
Volunteers Go Door-to-Door in Neighborhood Surrounding Fairgrounds

Nashville, TN – In response to a recent comment by Mayor Karl Dean, Fairgrounds supporters took our campaign to doorsteps in District 17.

Dean was a guest on Channel 5’s Inside Politics Friday night. When asked about a petition to save the fairgrounds and speedway, the Mayor responded, “Certainly the neighborhood around there is almost uniformly opposed to that.” [1]

On Saturday morning, 74 fairgrounds supporters gathered at 10:00am to begin canvassing the neighborhoods in District 17. 31 teams of volunteers fanned out into the surrounding neighborhoods to listen to neighbor’s concerns, and discuss ways to support the fairgrounds and racetrack. Additionally, a number of volunteers waved signs and passed out yard signs. A summary of our totals is included below.

Race truck driver Ronnie Campbell felt positive about the outreach. “I really enjoyed meeting with residents of District 17, and hearing their memories of their children walking to the racetrack. One woman – a 30 year resident - told me how much she liked having affordable entertainment in her back yard. She explained how her son collected RC bottle caps to be able to go to the track on Saturday nights.” Campbell went on to say, “I also had a long conversation with a SNAP member who was happy to sign our petition.” Numerous SNAP members signed the “Save My Fairgrounds” petition over the course of the day.

Please call or email Darden Copeland if you wish to speak to any of our canvassers or some of those who gave us a response.

Goal (In Households): 1,860
Total HH Knocked: 1,387 (shortened due to light rain)
Total HH Not Home: 723
Total HH No Opinion, Won’t Sign, or Ag. Fairgrounds: 182
Total Individual Signatures: 511
Yard Signs Placed: Dozens (we lost count)
Donuts Eaten: 5 dozen

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gosh! looks like if there is any "uniform opposition" in *that* neighborhood it's opposition to getting rid of the Fairgrounds!

And by a margin of more than 2:1!

This pretty much supports what neighbors have already said in the Wedgewood-Houston Report, The South Nashville Plan, the Markin Study, and even the mayors own Fairgrounds Task Force!

Is there anybody listening out there to what the neighbors *really* want??

By: hottrodd on 12/11/10 at 6:49

voice of nashvie that karl dean refuses to hear

IM SO GLAD TO SEE THE RESULTS ON THE DOOR TO DOOR THING, SO WHAT DOES THIS SHOW ? ITS BACK TO WHAT KARL DEAN WANTS NOT THE PEOPLE OF NASHVILLE.
I CANT BELIEAVE I VOTED FOR THIS MAN, ONE OF MY BIG MISSTAKES OF MY LIFE TIME !
I WAS JUST THINKING ABOUT SOMETHING WHY DID METRO STOP HAVING FAN FAIR AT THE FAIRGROUNDS IT BROUGHT IN THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE TO THE FAIRGROUNDS ALL WEEK AND THAT KIND OF MONEY HAD TO HELP THE LOCAL PEOPLE OUT THERE
WHY DID THEY MOVE IT DOWN TOWN , LOOKS LIKE IT WAS A BETTER PLACE AT THE FAIRGROUNDS
HAS EVERYONE FORGOT WHAT KARL DEAN SAID A FEW WEEKS AGO WHEN HE WAS PUSHING HARD FOR THE FLEA MARKET TO MOVE TO HICKORY HALLOW
THAT IF THE FAIRGROUNDS STAYED WHERE IT IS THAT PROPERTY TAXES WOULD GO UP
DID EVERY ONE FORGWET ABOUT THIS THREAT HE MADE ON NASHVILLE ?

By: RJP on 12/11/10 at 7:32

rjp Dear mayor, I rented a house in the antioch area, on packard lane, who is my council rep for that area, I knew the planes flew over the deck i love to sit on in the evening with my gal. The problem is its loud,to the point you can'thear a word she is telling me, so we go inside and close the door, it is a little better but i still can't hear her talking to me with a plane over head. There are even times i can't hear the tv it's so loud, so i turn up the volume. The problem now is, the people that rent below me are upset that my tv is to loud and they call metro police to make me turn it down,or get a ticket. Can we please tear down the airport so i can hear my gal talk to me, i really like her and she thinks i just don't listen to her, not true it's just to loud. Lets also look into that shooting in the park close to my house and all the drug shootings in the apartments close by also. One last thing,mayor you did'nt pay for the new bike lanes in the neighborhood, tax payers did. I did'nt see you paint one single line. But you can't miss the signs saying you did it.Did you have to get any permits to put the signs up. Just want to put a few up to remind everyone what your doing for us come time to vote again. Now about that council rep name and moving that airport! Hit me back on this web site would love to hear your plan on this matter.PS got no money for the ed fund but will mow your yard. Can you buy the gas also.Thanks

By: FleaFlam on 12/12/10 at 1:43

Observed by fly on wall of mayor's office (during "Timeout").

K.D.: (kicking back in mayorchair) "Well Rip, do you think they bought that load of crap we wrote in last Sunday's Tennessean?"

R.R.: (bowing) Oh, yes sir, Mr. Mayor - I especially liked when you wrote you had the "best interests of the entire city" at heart as well as when you said we should "take some time and determine the best long-term future for the flea market and Expo." I thought I never would stop laughing!

K.D.: (guffawing) And how about the Tennessean's Ted Rayburn saying the Metro Council had O.K.'d the demolition of the speedway!

R.R.: (slapping knee) A page right out of your playbook sir - you should get a royalty on that one!

K.D.: Tell me somethin' Rip - you've lived here a lot longer than I have - Just how in the *!@* did the locals manage to run the fairgrounds for 100 years before I came along? I mean those yahoos don't have half a brain between them. It just doesn't make any sense!

R.R.: (bowing again) I don't know your Most High Mindedness, sir - pure dumb luck I suppose.

K.D.: And where did they get 45,000 signatures on a petition - Heck, most of those rubes can't even spell their own names, can they?

R.R.: Definitely not, your Exalted Loftiness - and they don't vote either.

K.D.: Well at any rate, I can't believe how well this is playing out. Did you know that the Tennessean has received exactly "0" letters from our opposition on this?

R.R.: At least none that were worthy of printing, your Supreme Mayoral Emminence, sir.

R.R.: (turning towards door) Well sir, I'm off for my hunting trip.

K.D.: (caught off guard) Rip, I didn't know you were a hunter. What ya goin' after?

R.R.: (with sly wink) Lobbyists, sir. Lobbyists.

By: MAmom on 12/12/10 at 11:50

Gail Kerr has written a "love letter" to Karl Dean in today's Sunday Tennessean.

Fun to read the comments - a lot of people are unhappy with Karl Dean.

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SAVE THE FAIRGROUNDS.

MAKE DEAN A 1-TERM MAYOR!

By: MAmom on 12/13/10 at 8:44

In case you haven't seen these. There are three stories about the Fairgrounds on the website below this morning.

http://www.nashvillechatterclass.com/

1. Tennessean Misses on Curb
2. Mike Curb Supports Saving the Fairgrounds Speedway
3. Tennessee Fairgrounds: Who Who, Who Lost

By: MAmom on 12/13/10 at 9:13

Missed one. Another about the Fairgrounds. It is titled:
"Alternative: Greening the Raceway."

http://www.nashvillechatterclass.com/

By: pswindle on 12/13/10 at 1:12

The ones working against the fairgrounds, should also register. They also have an agenda for the Mayor. The Mayor wants the reserve money and the price of the fairgorunds fors his pset projects.