Hollin will try again to honor students who protested 'Don't Say Gay'

Thursday, August 11, 2011 at 2:02pm

Jamie Hollin is giving it a second go — sort of.

Hollin, the outgoing District 5 Metro councilman, has introduced a memorializing resolution to recognize local high school students who protested the state’s so-called “Don’t Say Gay” bill.

It’s similar legislation to the resolution two council conservatives worked to defeat five weeks ago, igniting a now-legendary verbal tirade from Hollin that began on the council floor, spilled to the council’s back rooms and ended in the courthouse parking garage.

“Those teenagers, high school students, are worthy of direct recognition,” Hollin said.

In July, Hollin had sponsored an honorary resolution on the council’s consent agenda that — if it had passed — would have allowed the council’s statement honoring the students to show up on a scroll that could be framed. This time Hollin has proposed a nonbinding memorializing resolution that will only put the council on record of supporting the student’s actions.

The change is because the bill is set for consideration on Aug. 16, the final meeting of this council term and Hollin’s last representing his East Nashville constituents.

By rule, consent agenda items can only go before the council at the first meetings of odd-numbered months.

“This is recognizing students,” he said. “I hope we can all agree that their actions should be celebrated and encouraged.”

The previous bill didn’t pass after Hollin missed a committee meeting in which the bill was considered. Because of that, by rule, the objection of two council members was the only requirement to defeat it. Conservative members Jim Gotto and Phil Claiborne objected, and the resolution died. 

• In a separate item, Councilwoman Kristine LaLonde has sponsored a memorializing resolution to request that the Metro Department of Law file an amicus brief in support of an ongoing suit over the constitutionality of the state’s Equal Access to Intrastate Commerce Act.

The law, passed this year by the Republican-dominated state legislature, nullified Metro’s nondiscrimination law that required city contractors to provide employment protections for gay, lesbian and transgender employees. 

This is also LaLonde's last meeting as a member of the council. 

39 Comments on this post:

By: Nitzche on 8/11/11 at 12:24

let this fudgepacker let them come to his house

By: Chris Sanders on 8/11/11 at 1:04

Even though they're non-binding, I hope both resolutions pass. Regardless, this Council whose term is about to end has really made history for equality in TN. They--with the help of a lot of citizens--have opened the discussion in way that the rest of the state has been required to respond. With the lawsuit, the conversation continues. I'm grateful for their passion for equality as are many people across the state.

By: Loner on 8/11/11 at 1:58

A little more background on the story would have been helpful, as it stands, it's difficult to deduce the crux of the issue or form an opinion on the issue.

Sounds like the pro GLBT Council Members have been tossed out of office as a result of their positions on the issue; perhaps that is more newsworthy than this obscure drivel.

By: Ingleweird on 8/11/11 at 3:20

Geez, Loner, you live 1000 miles away and were on a retreat; now you demand context? Hollin chose not to run again; he only ran for council to provide better representation than [thankfully] Former Councilwoman Pam Murray. The majority of Council is (or has been) supportive (or at least not opposed) to GBLT equality.

Otherwise, I agree, memorializing resolutions hardly make for good news.

@Nitz: Go choke on a pretzel.

By: Loner on 8/11/11 at 3:45

Thanks for the clarifying details, Ingleweird...I suppose that demanding some context is a bit over the top....maybe "drivel" was too strong, "pablum" may be more accurate.

By: whitetrash on 8/11/11 at 4:46

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Narcissists tend to have high self-esteem. However, narcissism is not the same thing as self-esteem; people who have high self-esteem are often humble, whereas narcissists rarely are. It was once thought that narcissists have high self-esteem on the surface, but deep down they are insecure. However, the latest evidence indicates that narcissists are actually secure or grandiose at both levels. Onlookers may infer that insecurity is there because narcissists tend to be defensive when their self-esteem is threatened (e.g., being ridiculed); narcissists can be aggressive. The sometimes dangerous lifestyle may more generally reflect sensation-seeking or impulsivity (e.g., risky sex, bold financial decisions).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsaTElBljOE

By: whitetrash on 8/11/11 at 5:04

Narcissistic personality disorder
Narcissistic personality disorder is a condition in which people have an inflated sense of self-importance and an extreme preoccupation with themselves.
Causes, incidence, and risk factors
The causes of this disorder are unknown. An overly sensitive personality and parenting problems may affect the development of this disorder.
Symptoms
A person with narcissistic personality disorder may:
React to criticism with rage, shame, or humiliation
Take advantage of other people to achieve his or her own goals
Have excessive feelings of self-importance
Exaggerate achievements and talents
Be preoccupied with fantasies of success, power, beauty, intelligence, or ideal love
Have unreasonable expectations of favorable treatment
Need constant attention and admiration
Disregard the feelings of others, and have little ability to feel empathy
Have obsessive self-interest
Pursue mainly selfish goals

By: bfra on 8/11/11 at 6:24

OR use a screen name like - whitetrash!

By: budlight on 8/12/11 at 6:35

Thanks whitetrash; I have often wondered about that.

I am hoping that the new council will give honor to elder citizens of the country. We are a dying breed (pun intended) and in most cases, parents, grandparents, aunts, uncles are not given enough praise and honor for the work they do in raising up the next generation. So I'm hoping that like gays, we get to be given a special place in the halls of fame in Nashville. You see, I didn't "choose" to get old and gray. It is just that I was born this way and the aging process cannot be stopped. It is coming at me 90 mph and I have nothing to do but run with it.

In the case of protecting special classes of people, I think if anyone knows the Federal, state and local laws, those protections are already in place. So let's move on to something more relevant, like how to create jobs, how to stop the melt down in the housing industry and how to protect our country (cities & states) from anymore terrorists invasions.

Did anyone read where the 3 siblings who robbed a bank and fired automatic weapons at police and state troopers said "we didn't want to hurt anyone"? That is hilarious. If you're firing an automatic weapon at someone (or any type of weapon), how is it that you could possibly think that if you hit them with a bullet, it won't hurt? That is the stupidest think I have ever hear come out of a criminal's mouth.

By: conservarage on 8/12/11 at 6:37

gov't "honoring" people/organizations/etc - waste of time and money. if you want a pat on the back, ask your friends. or parents.

By: govskeptic on 8/12/11 at 7:31

This guy obviously likes this publicity and thinks holding on like some Bulldog
will make it happen. Is there some individual or family within this small group
he hopes to receive favor or big high five from? Council should again dismiss
this and others like it without big fanfare!

By: budlight on 8/12/11 at 7:58

I second that emotion, gov and conservarage! Honor someone who actually does something for the greater good of all society!

By: TRHJR on 8/12/11 at 8:32

well if it passes we can go back to calling them " QUEERS "

By: Chris Sanders on 8/12/11 at 8:53

budlight, sorry, but protections from discrimination based on sexual orientation and gender identity are not in place at the federal or state level, except at our public universities and in private entities that choose to have such protections. They exist at the local level only for Metro Government employees now that the state has nullified the 2011 Metro non-discrimination ordinance.

Oh, and no one chooses to be gay, but thanks for trotting out that overwrought argument.

By: girliegirl on 8/12/11 at 9:02

Hollin comes across as being a thug.... end of story.

By: Ingleweird on 8/12/11 at 9:07

@girlie:
So do you. End of story.

By: girliegirl on 8/12/11 at 9:49

LOL Now THAT'S funny!

By: girliegirl on 8/12/11 at 9:50

Bless your heart. :-)

By: Radix on 8/12/11 at 9:59

The mis-named "Don't Say Gay" law was designed to protect our young kids in PUBLIC schools from sexual indoctrination at an early age. What business is it of the city to honor those who protested the law? Vote on the law, not on those who protest it. What a waste of time. And yes, the blindness of Hollin in the matter smells of NPD.

Let's find an opposite example. How about we honor the Tea Party for wanting to reduce debt, or honor John McCain campaign workers or something? Sound ridiculous? It is... Go away Hollin.

By: budlight on 8/12/11 at 11:03

By: Ingleweird on 8/12/11 at 10:07
@girlie:
So do you. End of story.

Ingelweird, I know girlie personally and she is the furtherist thing from being a thug that one can get. She's very natural, down to earth and closest to a hippie than anyone else I know in Nashville (and trust me I know a lot of people).

She's loving, caring, lovely and treats all people and animals with much respect. You sort of went overboard when you said she could be a "thug".

She's a strong parent! She stands up for what is right and she's a true American!

Everyone who does not agree with the Gay agenda is put down and hated by the gay community and their advocates! So sorry! I am not for giving rights to anyone based on their sexuality. Women, men, gays, or anyone else. Let's get back to basics -- ie "people". We all deserve to be treated well and not singled out. BUT when you flaunt your sexual desires in the face of society (hetro or homo), it's not acceptable.

Should we give hookers special recognition for contributing to whatever they contribute to? How about topless dancers? How about male strippers? How about pedophiles? How about child abusers? How about sexual predators? You know, they all can "claim" that nature made them that way, now can't they?

No more special categories for the law. One law can fit all! And that's my take on it.

By: Radix on 8/12/11 at 11:49

Ingleweird has admitted that she is "intolerant of people she finds intolerant". Not that that makes any sense at all. Its easy to 'tolerate' those you agree with, real tolerance is for someone you don't agree with. Liberals usually expect it, but do not reciprocate.

http://images.sodahead.com/profiles/0/0/2/4/8/8/4/3/1/Liberal-Tolerance-48348238160.jpeg

@Budlight and @Girlie: You're good people. :-)

By: Radix on 8/12/11 at 11:54

http://tinyurl.com/liberaltolerance

By: Ingleweird on 8/12/11 at 12:14

Bud:
I happen to appreciate Hollin's views as a councilperson, so I feel it was overboard to say he comes off as a "thug...end of story." There is no end to a story here. Let's drop this whole hurt feelings charade; you say who you think is a thug, and I will say who I think is a thug. Respect went out the window quite some time ago. It might help to know the history of the word "thug." The word is derived from the Indian cult of Thuggee; they would murder unsuspecting travelers in order to rob them. I would say Hollin falls short of this pejoration. Tell you what: you tell all Christians to quit flaunting Jesus and their particular notions of salvation and the afterlife, and I will tell the homosexual agenda conspiracy to quit flaunting their queerness.

@girlie: Please, save your blessings for someone that really needs them. I don't want them, I don't need them, and I'm doing just fine without them, thank you very much.

@Radix:
I am male, for the record. I remember saying what you have described. Come back to the adults' table when you fully understand the meaning of tolerance.

By: Radix on 8/12/11 at 2:01

Ingleweird,

Wow, I am being lectured by a hypocrite. If you look up tolerance you will probably find it says something like 'patience and understanding of those with views different from yours'. It is unconditional. Does that sound like you? I don't think so. You expect it, but by your own admission you don't give it.

http://tinyurl.com/liberaltolerance

By: Ingleweird on 8/12/11 at 2:35

@Radix:
From Merriam-Webster online:

Intolerant:
1) Unable or unwilling to endure

2) a) unwilling to grant equal freedom of expression especially in religious matters

2) b) unwilling to grant or share social, political, or professional rights : BIGOTED

So, to answer your question, no, it does not sound like me. I will defend your right to express your beliefs, but I will draw the line when your views express an unwillingness for others to have rights. I stand by my original statements.

By: Radix on 8/12/11 at 3:02

You tell me which one applies to you. How can you say "I don't tolerate ______" (fill the blank with anything) and still claim you're not intolerant?

If you say "I defend your right to express your beliefs" but also say, "I don't tolerate___" then you are just playing word games because they are contradictory.

But hey, at least you stand by your words....

By: Ingleweird on 8/12/11 at 3:12

Yes, Radix, I WAS playing word games. The definitions may seem polar opposites to you, but their meanings have nuances which negate your internalized definitions.

By: Radix on 8/12/11 at 3:33

Methinks by nuances you mean a certain convenient flexibility. ;-)

I am sure you are a good dude, Ingleweird. I can't resist a good debate though. Nothing personal.

By: Ingleweird on 8/12/11 at 3:41

"Intolerance" is an ideology, while "intolerant" can be applied to a specific subject.

By: bartsdad on 8/12/11 at 3:42

"The job of the gay community is not to deal with extremists who would castigate us or put us on an island and drop an H-bomb on us. The fact of the matter is that there is a small percentage of people in America who understand the true nature of the homosexual community. There is another small percentage who will never understand us. Our job is not to get those people who dislike us to love us. Nor was our aim in the civil rights movement to get prejudiced white people to love us. Our aim was to try to create the kind of America, legislatively, morally, and psychologically, such that even though some whites continued to hate us, they could not openly manifest that hate. That's our job today: to control the extent to which people can publicly manifest antigay sentiment." Bayard Rustin; From Montgomery to Stonewall (1986)

By: Ingleweird on 8/12/11 at 3:46

Radix, if I didn't like to debate, I wouldn't keep returning to this thread. I must be off, though - until next time, cheers!

By: Kosh III on 8/13/11 at 5:16

More hypocrisy from the "values" party.

http://www.ksdk.com/news/article/271647/18/Representative-Phil-Hinkle-meets-teen-boy-on-Craigslist

By: budlight on 8/13/11 at 9:55

bartsdad on 8/12/11 at 4:42
"The job of the gay community is not to deal with extremists who would castigate us or put us on an island and drop an H-bomb on us. The fact of the matter is that there is a small percentage of people in America who understand the true nature of the homosexual community. There is another small percentage who will never understand us. Our job is not to get those people who dislike us to love us. Nor was our aim in the civil rights movement to get prejudiced white people to love us. Our aim was to try to create the kind of America, legislatively, morally, and psychologically, such that even though some whites continued to hate us, they could not openly manifest that hate. That's our job today: to control the extent to which people can publicly manifest antigay sentiment." Bayard Rustin; From Montgomery to Stonewall (1986)

OMG bartsdad thinks that only "whites" are prejudiced. Bartsdad, what about the hispanics (brown skin) who hate gays; or the blacks who hate gays; or the MUSLIMS who hang gays; or the people from China or other asian countries who hate gays? The "hate" mongers abound in every walk of life. I do not hate gays. I simply disagree with their social, political and other agendas. A difference of opinion does not make me a hater.

And Ingleweird, everyone needs every blessing they can get. Blessings are so good. Be careful what you "speak" and remember that God spoke the universe into existence.

Thanks Kosh; now find us a democrat with the same "values" - you know like Weiner or Bill Clinton - same values, different act!

By: Kosh III on 8/15/11 at 6:42

"Thanks Kosh; now find us a democrat with the same "values" - you know like Weiner or Bill Clinton - same values, different act!"'

Don't be stupid or deliberately ignore the point.
Weiner did not base his career on bashing people who did what he did---which btw was not illegal.
Republicans spend their time dictating to other people how they should live and act; the ultimate Nannies. Then they do the same thing themselves. A wise man once said: "Woe unto you....hypocrites."

By: govskeptic on 8/15/11 at 6:58

This story is so important it's going to run until Hollins leaves office. Maybe then
some other publicity seeking Council member will take it up. Stay tuned!!!

By: budlight on 8/15/11 at 8:38

This story is so shoved down our throats.

Kosh, I am not stupid. What Weiner did was legal? Does that make it OK? What Clinton did was legal? Does that make it OK.

As far as I can tell, Nancy Pelosi is a Dem and Obama is a Dem and they are constantly telling Americans how to live, what to eat, what to wear, where to work, what to drive, whether to use gas or electricity, and so on. So what's the difference in a democratic and a republican being a nannie?

None! They all want to tell us how to live. Some of them are richer than others (top ten people in congress incomewise - and 7 of them are democrats)!
Go figure!

By: budlight on 8/15/11 at 8:40

A wise man once said: "Woe unto you....hypocrites."

Kosh do you just quote parts of the bible or do you actually use it? And do you just single out the parts that you think are applicable to a particular situation?

If so, I think you're missing the point!

By: Kosh III on 8/15/11 at 8:50

The point is that Republicans demand that other people accept their standards and do what Republicans tell them to do--then they ignore it themselves. Plus the agenda they promote is forced onto people who would prefer to live without meddlesome nannie politicians and theocrats interfering in their freedom to live.

Democrats may fail, but they don't rant and rave about how good, noble and holy they are.

The Jewish and Christian Bibles? I use short applicable quotes in fora like this because long posts get ignored. Brevity.
But I have certainly read the Scriptures end to end, O, I don't know, 60-70 times. Plus numerous scholarly commentaries on same.
I'd guess that I am the only person on here who has had a subscription to the Princeton Theological Review. (several years ago--can't afford it now)

By: Radix on 8/15/11 at 9:48

Kosh: "The point is that Republicans demand that other people accept their standards and do what Republicans tell them to do--then they ignore it themselves."

And that is different from Democrats how? Every time I hear Pelosi and Reid lie out their butts about people who are merely trying to balance the budget. They will lie and sell out future to buy votes now. That is a much worse offense than a Republican who isn't perfect. Democrats love to laugh at a Republican who trips over a high standard. Dems have very low standards in the first place so its easy to keep them.