Southern Baptists call for ouster of Boy Scouts leaders over admitting gays

Wednesday, June 12, 2013 at 11:55am
Updated 8:20 p.m.

HOUSTON — The Southern Baptist Convention approved a resolution Wednesday expressing its opposition to the Boy Scouts of America's new policy allowing gay Scouts, though it doesn't explicitly call for churches to drop all ties with the organization.

While some action against the Scouts was widely anticipated, given the denomination's very public opposition to the change, the resolution takes a softer tone than many had expected.

It also calls on the Boy Scouts to remove executive and board leaders who tried to allow gays as both members and leaders without consulting the many religious groups that sponsor troops. It passed overwhelmingly, but not unanimously, by the nation's largest Protestant denomination at its annual meeting in Houston.

Before the vote, Charlie Dale, pastor of Indian Springs First Baptist Church in Pelham, Ala., said the resolution "is not going to help the cause of Christ."

Of boys who say they are gay, he said, "Let's bring them in, show them what real biblical manhood is about and love them."

Some delegates to the convention tried to toughen the language of the resolution. Paul Taylor, of First Baptist Church in Mauriceville, Texas, successfully proposed an amendment to strike language about churches and families that chose not to drop ties with the Boy Scouts.

"That seems like we are going on record encouraging a relationship with Scout troops that have homosexual members," he said.

But a few minutes later, similar language was put back in the resolution when the convention passed an amendment by David Uth, of First Baptist Church, Orlando, Fla. His amendment encouraged those churches that continue to sponsor Boy Scout troops to "seek to impact as many boys as possible with the life-changing gospel of Jesus Christ."

"We're not trying to bring condemnation or Hell fire on scouting or their leadership, though we sort of hope they get new leaders or leaders that change their minds," said Steve Lemke, chair of the committee on resolutions.

"I think this resolution was a resolution of kindness, to say the churches that choose to continue with the scouting ministry should do so with an emphasis on sharing the gospel," said David Dykes, a pastor from Tyler, Texas. "As a pastor I appreciate that the convention does not tell churches what we should do."

In all, about 70 percent of the 116,000 Scout units in the United States are sponsored by religious organizations. Many of those groups have decided to continue sponsoring troops. Among them is the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, which sponsors more Scout units than any other organization, serving about 430,000 boys.

The second-largest Scouting denomination, the United Methodist Church, was quick to respond to the SBC's move: Methodist Director of Scouting Ministries Larry Coppock said its congregations would welcome any troops currently sponsored by Southern Baptist churches.

While resolutions like the one on Scouting and others that expressed concern over religious freedom were expected, there were several resolutions passed that someone outside the denomination might find more surprising, such as a call to pray for the President of the United States.

Other resolutions called on Southern Baptists to fight human trafficking and to work to support people with mental health problems. That later issue has been on the minds of many Southern Baptists this year after the son of hugely popular megachurch pastor Rick Warren committed suicide. And earlier this month, Southern Baptist Convention Executive Committee President and CEO Frank Page released a book about his daughter's suicide.

The convention also passed a resolution expressing concern about the high rate of incarceration in the United States and recommending greater use of probation and parole for nonviolent offenders.

The membership also voted to express concern about child sexual abuse and called on all Southern Baptists to report allegations of child abuse to authorities. That resolution was amended to urge Southern Baptist leadership to use caution affiliating with groups or individuals with questionable practices for protecting children.

It is unclear whether the amendment was aimed at any specific person or practice, but it comes after some Southern Baptist leaders expressed support for Sovereign Grace Ministries. That group faces accusations that church officials covered up child sexual abuse.


29 Comments on this post:

By: govskeptic on 6/12/13 at 10:20

Since gay Scout Leaders are forbidden under even this new policy of the Scouts,
a lot more groups than just the Southern Baptist want this policy enforced. At this
particular time, it would be wrong for any of the churches to drop their support
for the scouts and any support or housing they have supplied in the past. or wish
to in the future. Things may change enough in the future for such, but not right now.

By: Jughead on 6/12/13 at 11:46


It is now a haven for child molesters due to political correctness.

By: airvols on 6/12/13 at 12:43

They just lost another member, done with this hate filled church.

By: Jughead on 6/12/13 at 1:02

The Scouts lost more. Lots more.

By: ancienthighway on 6/12/13 at 1:22

Yet another toothless hate-based resolution. Unless there is some kind of a legal agreement for the BSA to consult organizations that host troops prior to policy changes, it is under no obligation to do so.

I've lost track. Has the SBC passed similar resolutions to oust every member of the government that isn't a fundy white Christian? Just the other day members of the SBC were up in arms because the black president they elected didn't publicly endorse either presidential candidate in the last election. The nerve of that Christian to keep secret his secret ballot! He should have done the Christian thing and endorse that non-Christian Mormon conservative white guy and made his disapproval of the liberal black Christian known.

It's not 1955 any more.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 6/12/13 at 1:51

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By: ancienthighway on 6/12/13 at 2:25

Great find!

By: Jughead on 6/12/13 at 2:50


By: Jughead on 6/12/13 at 2:52

Sorry---not me, Blankey.

Interesting that you peruse gay hookup sites, though. That's why you support gays in the scouts? Are you a pedophile? If so, join the Scouts!

By: Jughead on 6/12/13 at 2:53

Hate-based? How about faith-based, you damn nazi?

Sick, disgusting garbage is what you are.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 6/12/13 at 2:58

Aw, Juggy hates being outed!

By: Blanketnazi2 on 6/12/13 at 3:00

Usually the ones who scream the loudest are the ones in the closet. You know he LOVES to talk about balls.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 6/12/13 at 3:07

BTW, the page wasn't a gay hookup site but it seems as though that's the ad you focused on. This isn't anything a good ole Google search wouldn't render. LOL

Silly Jughead.

By: Jughead on 6/12/13 at 4:00

Sorry, Nazi, you are shooting blanks on this one. Hate to bust your nut, but you got the wrong Jughead.

Might sue the guy for stealing my trademark, though.

Now back to you, Nazi: gonna put on panties and apply to be a Scout leader? Gonna tell those young fellers how good it feels when you flash people wearing undergarments?

By: Jughead on 6/12/13 at 4:02


Got a Johnson in your mouth, Nazi? Up the bungie? Both?

By: mowkittymowmow on 6/12/13 at 5:28

Jughead, you are probably the most ignorant, hypocritical "Christian" I have ever seen. You are delusional and obsessed with gays. Please get some help about coming out with your homosexuality before you hurt somebody. All that sexual tension you have built up can be really hard on your body and mind. What a disrespectful, awful person you are.

By: pswindle on 6/12/13 at 9:28

This is one reason that the Churches are failing and falling. They have developed a right-wined agenda that most people can not live by or with.

By: Loner on 6/13/13 at 5:08

Since 70% of the scout troops are sponsored by churches, it is only natural that an "us versus them" attitude would be central to scouting.

We should never forget that "tolerance" is not one of the twelve points of the scout law....for scouts, tolerance is seen as a sign of weakness and submission.

Scouting began as a paramilitary training program for American boys....there is no room for tolerance in the military mindset, it's all about dominance and victory.

It is not surprising that the Mormon church would list half a million boys in their scouting programs...the Mormons are big fans of the second amendment and militarism in general.

For those "Christian" churches that sponsor their own militia, scouting is the natural be effective, brainwashing must begin early in life....and scouting effectively indoctrinates and shapes young minds....scouting produces young holy warriors for Christ....cannon fodder for the holy wars.

By: Loner on 6/13/13 at 5:31

An Uncle Tom type of black man is currently the token leader of the Southern Baptists; but just because his skin is black, do not conclude that he is a paragon of virtue and a beacon of tolerance...on the contrary, this uppity black guy is a flaming homophobe...that must be what the white supremacists in the Southern Baptists sect admired about the man....apparently his unabashed his bigotry appealed to them.

By: Captain Nemo on 6/13/13 at 6:56

Good Christians .

By: Rocket99 on 6/13/13 at 7:29

Can we all just boycot the SBC? Stop shopping at Lifeway stores?

Oh, and by the way, from what I've read on here, Jughead is certainly no Christian. He sounds more like a Skinhead or KKK member, neither of which can be considered Christian.

Beginning to wonder if Jughead is really Stacey Campfield. That would make sense. Two different personas who spout hate and ignorance at every turn.

By: daytonsdarwin on 6/13/13 at 7:53

Penn & Teller have a great BS episode about the Boy Scouts. Worth watching.

Check out other episodes as they demolish the Bible, creationism, and other bible-thumper's wet dreams.


By: Blanketnazi2 on 6/13/13 at 7:55

Thanks, daytonsdarwin!

By: pswindle on 6/13/13 at 10:32

Just some good ole Southern Baptist boys speaking!

By: Jughead on 6/13/13 at 12:58

I love it when you liberal, Christian-hating pukes get angry.

What happened to all you diversity and acceptance BS?

BOYCOTT THE SCOUTS!!!! It's a cesspool of molesters.

Scouts will regret their stupid choice. I see bankruptcy and dissolution, all to appease a bunch of queerios.

By: Jughead on 6/13/13 at 1:01

Uh-I am Jewish, dimwits.

But, Ill accept Christ as my true savior if he returns to Earth and murders all liberals.

Now, that would be a miracle worth watching!

By: fair_minded on 6/13/13 at 5:49

55 years ago I raised my hand and promised on my honor that, among other things, I would be "a friend to all and a brother to every other Scout." Nothing in there about having to be straight to be my friend or my brother. The "anti-bay ban" has only been a rule with BSA for the past 22 years. Before that, there was no ban. Baden-Powell, the founder, never banned gays. No other country in the world of Scouting bans gays.

Prior to this rule about gays, Scouting never tried to define "morality." It has always been that morality was in the eyes of the sub-culture or community in which the Scout lived. "Morally straight" in the Scout oath was defined as following the rules of your community, keeping yourself virtuousness and honorable.

And as regards sexual activity, it's always been recognized that it's not a part of Scouting, and questions and discussions about sex are the domain of the parents or spiritual leader.

To quote Steven King, Scouting has "forgot the face of your[it's] father." Scouting was never meant to attempt to actually teach morals or morality-- it was a byproduct of the program.

Scouting's purpose was, and still is, found in it's corporate charter issued by Congress first in 1912 and reissued each year. Because it's a federal charter it can be found in the United States Code-- 36 USC ยง 30902, and the current version states:

"The purposes of the corporation are to promote, through organization, and cooperation with other agencies, the ability of boys to do things for themselves and others, to train them in scoutcraft, and to teach them patriotism, courage, self-reliance, and kindred virtues, using the methods that were in common use by boy scouts on June 15, 1916."

Nothing in there about teaching morals or ruling on other people's morality. Scouting is a game with a purpose, as stated above. Morality, honor and virtue are simply by-products and should not be defined by Scouting, but by the Scout's own community.

It was wrong to institute the ban 22 years ago when it was done, and it has been wrong and against the principles of Scouting for the past 22 years it's been in effect.

As far as Scouting being a "private organization" who can pick and choose it's members, regardless of the Supreme Court decision, Scouting gave up that right when it accepted the federal charter, and the millions and millions of dollars in public money that it's accepted over the years, and *still* accepts annually.

signed by: an Eagle Scout.

By: Loner on 6/13/13 at 5:51 ain't smart enough to be Jewish...crazy enough, but not smart enough.

By: Loner on 6/13/13 at 5:59

Let's cut the bull...we know what summer scout camp is all about...Homer & Jethro informed us all about it: