Burch: Calling Bibi’s bluff

Thursday, May 26, 2011 at 10:05pm
By Michael R. Burch

Yaël Dayan, the daughter of Israel’s most famous general and defense minister, Moshe Dayan, was in Nashville recently and spoke at the Scarritt-Bennett Center. Moshe Dayan was almost as famous for his black eye patch as he was for planning the capture of East Jerusalem during the Six-Day War of 1967.

Yaël Dayan is no blushing violet herself, having served as an officer in the Israeli army. She later served as a member of the Knesset (Israel’s main legislative body, similar to Great Britain’s Parliament) and is currently the chair of the Tel Aviv city council.

Yaël Dayan does not agree with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin (“Bibi”) Netanyahu that the 1967 borders of Israel are “indefensible.” Nor does the man primarily responsible for defending those borders, Ehud Barak, the current Israeli defense minister. In an interview with Edmund Sanders of the Los Angeles Times, Barak refuted Bibi’s bluff, saying, “Israel is the strongest country for 1,000 miles around Jerusalem, and we should be self-confident enough not to lose sight of what has to be done. What we need is a sense of direction and a readiness to take decisions. We have to do it [trade land for peace].”

Why is the tiny state of Israel with its relatively small population vastly more powerful than any nation south of Russia? Primarily because the United States has poured billions of dollars in financial aid and advanced weapons into Israel over the last half-century. Israel may rank as high as fourth in land-air military power, after the United States, China and Russia. And Israel has a large cache of nuclear weapons and other WMDs, making it impossible for any of its neighbors to “win” a war with Israel, or even attempt an invasion.

In an interview with the Nashville Scene, Yaël Dayan agreed with Ehud Barak that Israel is able to bargain from a position of strength, not weakness, saying, “I would say a high percentage — certainly more than 50, 60, 70 percent [of Israeli Jews] — know that the last few wars were wars of choice. No one can destroy us. We can be destroyed if we don't have the support of the United States and the rest of the free world, but we don't have a survival problem … I think they [hawks like Netanyahu] are abusing the word ‘security.’ I think they are misinforming on purpose. And I think they are really very dangerous for the future of Israel. They are questioning our need for peace and our ability to obtain peace.”

The real danger to Israel is that continuing the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians from their native land will alienate Israel from western nations that believe racism, apartheid and ethnic cleansing are crimes against peace and humanity. If the American public ever opens its eyes and stands for its stated ideals of equal rights, justice and democracy for all human beings, Israel will be in deep trouble.

Yaël Dayan also told the Nashville Scene that in Israel “more and more people realize we cannot have peace and occupation or peace and settlements. We have to opt for one or the other … the only possible way to go ahead with the peace plan is the end of occupation and the evacuation of most settlements.”

And it seems Moshe Dayan might well agree with his daughter. For much of his life, he was a hawk, advocating harsh treatment of Arabs who resisted Israel. But he became more moderate later in his career and played an important role in the eventual peace agreement between Israel and Egypt. In 1997, Rami Tal, an Israeli journalist, published conversations he had with Dayan in 1976 in which Dayan confessed that more than 80 percent of the border clashes between Israel and Syria were the result of deliberate Israeli provocations.

“It went this way: We would send a tractor to plough someplace where it wasn't possible to do anything, in the demilitarized area, and knew in advance that the Syrians would start to shoot. If they didn't shoot, we would tell the tractor to advance farther, until in the end the Syrians would get annoyed and shoot. And then we would use artillery and later the air force also, and that's how it was.”

He also added the following:

“I made a mistake in allowing the Israeli conquest of the Golan Heights. As defense minister, I should have stopped it because the Syrians were not threatening us at the time.”

Most Nashvillians, like most Americans, have been fed and believed a near-constant stream of pro-Israel war propaganda. Every Palestinian is a “terrorist,” while terroristic actions of the Israeli military are ignored or excused. A thousand Palestinian civilians die, one Israeli soldier is taken hostage, and yet what we hear about is the unfairness of the Israeli soldier being held hostage. Yes, some Palestinian men retaliate with acts of terrorism, but Israel took 93 percent of their land by force, without paying for it. Anywhere else in the world that is called “armed robbery.”

Now there is an offer on the table for Israel to return about 20 percent of the land, which is hardly “just” by any standard of morality. But because the Palestinians have no military and no powerful friend like the United States, they would probably accept this unjust offer in return for a viable state and the end of the current Israeli military occupation. But Jewish hawks like Netanyahu and utterly blind, hypocritical American politicians continue to insist that Israel is “defenseless” and that it is “unfair” for Israel to be required to stop stealing even more Palestinian land, while continuing to ethnically cleanse Palestinians.

My fellow Nashvillians and Americans, that is not the path to peace but the path to World War III and Armageddon.

Michael R. Burch is a Nashville-based editor and publisher of Holocaust poetry and other “things literary” at www.thehypertexts.com.

113 Comments on this post:

By: Mike Burch on 5/27/11 at 12:07

Netanyahu received 29 standing ovations when he spoke before the U.S. Congress. This is sad commentary on the fact that Americans refuse to face reality, refuse to understand the real reasons for 9-11 and the subsequent wars, and refuse to understand that racism practiced against Palestinians will lead to World War III, just as racism practiced against black Americans led to the Civil War. If we want peace, we must understand that people of other races and creeds want equal rights for their women and children.

By: Loner on 5/27/11 at 12:53

Mike Burch for President of the USA!

Great article Mike; I totally agree with your observations and conclusion.

I also addressed some of these same issues in my most recent blog entry:

http://new-york-loner.livejournal.com/

Of course,most of the regular posters here are Israel-lovers, regardless of their political persuasion; AIPAC's influence has been steady, unrelenting and pervasive.

Helen Thomas was and remains absolutely spot on.

Holy Wars Suck.

By: dargent7 on 5/27/11 at 4:45

"Burch & "Loner", coming to a comedy club near you.
"The REAL reasons for 9/11..."?
You weant to enter and probe the minds of bin Laden and 19 hijackers to know how they REALLY felt? And based their psychotic decisions on REAL factual data?
You should know, Charles Manson is still alive and why not visit him and ask him why he had his "family" kill Sharon Tate, the Biancas, and the Folger heiress.
I'm quite sure his REAL reason is completely relevant.

By: Captain Nemo on 5/27/11 at 4:45

Good morning
http://www.ewallpapers.eu/w_show/sunrise-1680-1050-3532.jpg

By: Captain Nemo on 5/27/11 at 4:45

This is another good article by Mike Burch.

Like I have said before Israel has bad PR and it come in the form USA money. Loner you must feel justified by this and rightly so.

By: dargent7 on 5/27/11 at 4:52

Racism against "the Palestinians" will lead to WW III?
I've never met ONE Palestinian in my entire life and I'm approaching 49.
WW III has come and gone with GW Bush and his daddy's involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan.
We're onto WW IV now.

By: Loner on 5/27/11 at 5:06

Dargent continues to play the role of useful idiot for apartheid Zionism....isn't that special?

Too bad that, as a gentlile "goy", he couldn't join the IDF and put his hide on the line for Jewish Apartheid and Jewish Jim Crow. He could convert, he'd look good in a yarmulke at the Wailing Wall. Seriously, I doubt if he has the caljones to back up his mouth.

I had no idea that Dargent was an enthusiastic supporter of segregation; I figure he was a Northerner and thus eschewed segregation. Now we now why Dargent moved into the South...he's amongst his own kind. Yee Haw!

The guy actually had me fooled for a while...but no longer.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 5/27/11 at 5:09

Kudos to Mike Burch for another fantastic article! I cannot understand the average America's blind support for Israel. Those that are more well versed are the ones who tend to be outraged.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 5/27/11 at 5:11

“I made a mistake in allowing the Israeli conquest of the Golan Heights. As defense minister, I should have stopped it because the Syrians were not threatening us at the time.”

Indeed!

By: Loner on 5/27/11 at 5:11

Too many "rag-heads" in Motor City...honkies are leaving in droves; like rats abandoning ship?

This are starting to come into better focus now...my new meds arrived.

By: Loner on 5/27/11 at 5:19

Before the grammar police issue me a citation, or two; I committed a homophone-type error in my 6:06 post... "now" s/h/b "know". also: Verb/noun number agreement error: in my 6:11 post, "This are" s/h/b "This is".

I certainly do wish to apologize to those who have been harmed or miffed due to my errors. Mea culpa.

Morning all!

By: dargent7 on 5/27/11 at 5:26

Do you bleeding hearts actually believe the average American (who voted for GW Bush, twice!), gives a rat's ass about the constant bickering/ fear mongering/ waring between Israel, Palestine, and the West Bank, Gohlan Heights, and Jeruselum?
America picked it's fight with the Middle East: Iraq and Afghanistan. We were saber rattling at Iran for years before we, and they, "backed off."

By: dargent7 on 5/27/11 at 5:31

"aparthied Zionism..."
To be perfectly honest, "Loner", I have NO idea WTF you're taking about.
Nor, do I care.
The USA is 90% embroiled in the Mid-East. As in bombing, invading, occupying Iraq and Afghanistan.
You think the Islamic fundamentalists and radicals care about America's "attitude" toward Israel?
You and this Burch fellow need to get a room.

By: Captain Nemo on 5/27/11 at 5:37

Not yet d7; we have not reached WWIII yet. We are still in the saber rattling stage.

Even without our support of Israel the Middle East would still not like America. We maintain the Colonial frame of mind that the Arab world still belongs to the west. Israel only make there hate for us more so.

By: Loner on 5/27/11 at 5:37

Israel has had enough of Barack Hussein Obama...they hate his guts.

With Israel-loving Zionist Jews, like Ileana Ros-Lehtinen running the US House Foreign Affairs Committee, and with Eric Cantor, as US House majority leader, we can rest assured that if and when the Israeli Mossad takes Obama out, a white-wash investigation will ensue...another Warren Commission fiasco will place the blame on some useful idiot...another Sirhan Sirhan type, I would guess.

The Republicans would shed a few alligator tears; until Obama was buried; but no more than a few, well-publicized alligator tears. They would call for more war and more bombing, but not an honest investigation of our "best ally". The GOP would quickly change the subject, after the "targeted killing".

Like LBJ before him, President Joe Biden would click his heels together and swear fealty to the Jewish State...Joe is beholden to Jewish special interests....has been for decades.

Remember, the state of Israel pays nothing in US taxation; but they get full US representation (with numerous standing ovations) and Israel receives generous US compensation (3Bn annually) without US taxation...no state within our union of states enjoys that kind of special treatment.

Go ahead, call me a Jew-hater because I see the danger of our entanglement with a rogue foreign theocracy....that's what AIPAC expects you to do....they have spent millions to make sure that any American who questions the US-Israel special relationship is immediately ostracized and marginalized as some kind of bigoted nut-job.

By: dargent7 on 5/27/11 at 5:46

Nemo: A World War isn't what it used to be.
Germany minds it's own business. So does Japan. So does Russia.
China just goes ahead and eats our lunch.
The days of bombers is over.....except for the United States.
We are the ONLY country that utilizes bombers and invades other countries.
Then occupys them for a decade, all in the "public interest".
Oh, and to "free the local townspeople".
Think about it.

By: Captain Nemo on 5/27/11 at 5:59

Germany does mind its own business, but it is economics business. The Germans let other do there dirty work and then they step in for money gains.

Japan has a disaster on its hand and it maybe sometime before it recovers.

Russia minds it’s on business, but I don’t think it has the best for the US.

China will be the new world power, thanks to American corporation like Wal-Mart.

We have been too busy fighting a war of choice in Iraq and let opportunity slip away.

The GOP has been busy forgetting its principles for control of America, to care.

By: Captain Nemo on 5/27/11 at 6:03

d7 Lady Gaga is on GMA today. She could claim your nerves. lol

By: dargent7 on 5/27/11 at 6:07

Nemo: Name a country that executes a full scale invasion, occupation, of a soveriegn country and calls it, "for peace"?
Yet, Burch and Loner yammer on about "Palestinian women and children's right's" are the REAL reason the Mid-East hate our guts and try to kill us?

By: Captain Nemo on 5/27/11 at 6:14

d7 Germany, Japan, Russia, China, France, Spain, England and Rome all have at some point have invaded other countries, all in the name of peace. Bush has sent us sent us in the path of all Empires.

By: Captain Nemo on 5/27/11 at 6:15

It is the oil companies that keep us in Israel. Which I fine ironic because it is has no oil.

By: house_of_pain on 5/27/11 at 6:32

I'm not as well-versed on the subject as others here, but I do know that we shouldn't be sending money to Israel. Let them borrow it directly from China, if they need the cash so badly.

By: yogiman on 5/27/11 at 6:37

Just wondering; why does it seem to be OK for the US to support Pakistan, who were obviously hiding bin Osama but they shouldn't support Israel even though their "neighbors" would like them eliminated?

Actually, why does the US support the British Empire, or any other nation? Or hell, even the supposed United Nations? If it isn't for our own protection, what is the reason? Did "our "congress get "our" permission to hand our money out around the world?

By: Captain Nemo on 5/27/11 at 6:39

That is a sound suggestion house, but what does Israel have that would be of interest to China? I would think that China would have more interest in the rest of the Middle East oil supply.

By: yogiman on 5/27/11 at 6:43

house_of_pain,

What would be the difference between Israel borrowing money from China or the US "giving" it to them?

Well, let's see, we are supporting China through major purchases of many items in the US, so, aren't we supporting China, who is a known enemy?

At least they used to be. But then thinking: Why would you hate your enemy if they were taking you out for an ice cream cone all of the time? OK, you rough 'ol boys could call that a beer.

By: yogiman on 5/27/11 at 6:55

dumba..,

We have not been in an official "war" since WWII. We have only been in "conflicts" declared by the president, not the congress.

We will not be in WWIII until a reason is given and Congress declares war. And I hope when that time arrives we will go in to win the damn thing and come home. We don't need to keep our "National Guard" around the world.

By: Captain Nemo on 5/27/11 at 6:56

Now yogi there you with what you think as an insult.

It is obvious that you did not get the memo, yogi or maybe they don’t care what you think.

By: budlight on 5/27/11 at 7:03

"we can rest assured that if and when the Israeli Mossad takes Obama out, a white-wash investigation will ensue...another Warren Commission fiasco will place the blame on some useful idiot...another Sirhan Sirhan type, I would guess."

Loner, be careful with your words. Words are powerful and can be used to speak actions into existence.

No one in our country would benefit from our president being "taken out"; it wouuld be harmful to all of us. So you need to think before you speak.

Yogi, good morning. Have a nice day in the neighborhood.

Capt. nemo said "China will be the new world power, thanks to American corporation like Wal-Mart."

I do my part; I have not purchased any items from Walmart's junk stores in 8 years; they sell junk and most Americans buy it cause it's cheap and disposable. Stop buying from Junkmart!

By: govskeptic on 5/27/11 at 7:06

Ms. Dayan like her father, in his latter years, has been a passionate speaker
crusader for peace within Israel. Did her local presentation and Nashville
Scene interview correctly portray her dad's total views on this subject? Maybe
closely, but not necessarily totally. His quoted remark concerning the Golan
Heights may have worked at one time, but there's no way those Heights
being occupied now, would be acceptable to Israel with Hamas running
Syria! From there even small mortars could view and shell a large portion
of population. For those that seeks the destruction of Israel, and there are
many in the US, and millions outside, rest assured that they will not be
willing to be placed on an even military equivalency with any particular
neighbor no matter the country or leader suggesting it! Nor should they!

By: yogiman on 5/27/11 at 7:13

Welcome to the club, budlight.

I only buy from WalMart if I can't find it at a "home owned" store.

But then, WalMart has become so successful because "our" government has opened their commercial door by not charging any excise tax. Just wondering, how much do our manufacturers pay to sell their products in China?

By: dargent7 on 5/27/11 at 7:20

Thank God for WalMart. I don't care what our government gives to them in subsidies, tax credits, etc.
If I want to buy a computer for $600. and they allow a 90 day Return on it, I'm buying it.
Ma and Pa had a "you buy it, you own it" policy..."deal with the manufacturer".
Yeah, that sure worked out.

By: Captain Nemo on 5/27/11 at 7:22

So does Costco, d7.

By: yogiman on 5/27/11 at 7:33

What do you guys think about Obama wanting to cut our service personnel's pay? Just wondering, why don't they cut his and theirs?

After all, our GIs are working a hell of a lot harder than they to earn their money..

By: Captain Nemo on 5/27/11 at 7:38

TEA party and GOP are always wanting tax cuts, what do you think of that?

By: yogiman on 5/27/11 at 7:49

I like the idea. What would you do, refuse to have your tax liability reduced?

If so, then you "nickname" is not an insult. And it isn't in any way. I'm simply trying to place facts as facts.

By: yogiman on 5/27/11 at 8:00

dargent7,

It used to be; we had home owned stores. Then a few company stores developed. There was laws preventing companies from buying their competition out then raising their prices. After all, who else could you buy your needs from?

Then our so-called beloved government stepped into the picture and decided it was OK to do that (buy your competition out) (after all, some retailers wanted to sell).

My argument would be the corporations bought our "beloved" government out. After all, who is the major contributors to our "beloved" government today?

And by comparison, how many "home owned" stores is their in America today?

It is now reaching the issue of corporate competition of today.

By: Mike Burch on 5/27/11 at 8:12

Dargent, I agree with a lot of what you say. But to understand the current problems of the U.S. in the Middle East, we have to understand the depth of feeling in the Muslim world for the Palestinians. I have seen the results of polls in which Arabs in other Muslim nations have said they care more about freedom for the Palestinians than they do their own finances. Someone should applaud such empathy and compassion.

Yes, the U.S. has made other serious mistakes in the Middle East, while opposing the USSR during the Cold War and in attempts to "secure" oil fields (which has only driven the price of oil sky-high).

But even if the U.S. stops invading other countries, there will always be acts of terrorism as long as the Palestinians are denied equal rights, justice and democracy.

So while I agree with you on many of the points you made, I believe that the U.S. has to consider the plight of the Palestinians, and the results it causes: acts of terrorism here, terrorism and wars abroad, and the Muslim world seeing the West as crusaders and oppressors.

Osama bin Laden stated his reasons for masterminding 9-11 publicly: the plight of the Palestinians and the U.S. military presence on Muslim soil. He wasn't a madman. Multitudes of completely innocent Palestinian women and children had suffered and died unjustly. He chose to fight fire with fire. Not having the military ability to invade the U.S., he resorted to terrorism. What he did was wrong, but if what he did was wrong then what the U.S. and Israel have done to Palestinian women and children is wrong.

Time and time again Muslim terrorists are interrogated and explain why they became terrorists. They almost invariably say that they are trying to defend other Muslims from Israeli and U.S. injustices and aggression. And unfortunately they have a very strong case for Israel acting like a civilized nation and the U.S. ending its military presence in the Middle East.

If those two things happened, there would be a chance for peace. A comprehensive peace plan must also include the U.S. paying the going price for oil and not destabilizing nations over oil fields: a plan that has never resulted in cheaper or more secure sources of oil anyway.

If we simply did what is right, we would have a much better chance for peace.

By: yogiman on 5/27/11 at 8:25

Mike,

You may be a Palestinian lover if you like, but firmly object to plain murder.

There is no way those two jets could lower those towers with their strike at the upper levels where they hit.

If you looked at the "movies" later shown, it showed blasts in the lower levels of those towers. Those blasts didn't happen from a "little downfall" of a little bit of debris.

Those towers were well planned and plotted for their inferior collapse. Otherwise, why wouldn't they fall to the side?

As far as the US is concerned? Come on home, Let them fight it out with themselves.

By: brrrrk on 5/27/11 at 8:45

Hey yogi, this should blow your mind.....

Not only am I working, AND posting to the LTE..... I'm also sitting in the waiting room of a car dealership getting my car fixed.... clearly I'm using the black arts.

By: brrrrk on 5/27/11 at 8:56

Back on topic...

I know two people who come from Israel, one is an "Israeli" Christian and the other is a "Palestinian" Christian. I've got to say that between the two, the Palestinian Christian is far more rational then the Israeli Christian, and the Israeli Christian is far more ideologically driven. At the very least, it's interesting to hear both sides of the argument without all the filters.

By: yogiman on 5/27/11 at 9:01

Its always good to listen to all arguments with both ears, brrrrk. You only have to figure out which one is 'hearing; the truth. And that is easy, too. Is it the left ear, or the right ear?

By: dargent7 on 5/27/11 at 9:22

Mr. Burch: Listening to, or trying to understand Osama bin Laden, is EXACTLY the same exercise in futility as trying to understand Charles Manson and his "family".
In the end, who gives a shit?
bin Laden was so concerned about US foreign policy concerning Israel and Palestine, and the plight of it's oppressed women and children, he set up "sleeper cells" in the USA, to then fly 4 airliners into 4 US monuments? He was THAT concerned?
Listen to yourself.
I'd rather read GW Bush's novel/ fiction book: "Decision Pionts" to "understand" why he invaded Iraq.
bin Laden, GW Bush, Ted Kazinski, Tim McVeigh, Nichols, Rudolph...who cares about psychopaths and why they're nuts.
Add in OJ Simpson.
As Freud would say, "They're just plain nuts".

By: dargent7 on 5/27/11 at 9:26

Oh, the "Israel loving, Zionistic Jews " will be re-conveneing at Star Bagel this coming Sunday.
Be there.

By: Loner on 5/27/11 at 10:28

By: dargent7 on 5/27/11 at 10:26

Oh, the "Israel loving, Zionistic Jews " will be re-conveneing at Star Bagel this coming Sunday.
Be there..

...or be square?

By: Loner on 5/27/11 at 10:38

I think that "Israel Loving Christian Zionists" is a more accurate description of the NCP "misfits".

"Israel Loving Christian Zionists"; produces a decent acronym: ILCZ. (Pronounced: "ilks".)

Darge and his ilk will now have something, this coming Sunday, to go with their bagels, lox and cream cheese - the demonization of Loner & Burch....that and the screams of orgasmic cicadas...enjoy!

By: house_of_pain on 5/27/11 at 10:43

Let's mind the size of our brushes. You don't need a broad one to do pin-striping.

By: gdiafante on 5/27/11 at 10:55

I knew from the headline that Loner would by typing a mile a minute...lol

I don't think it's a mystery why we blindly support Israel...loner's correct about this...it's Zionism plain and simple. Anyone who has attended a church in this country was taught that Israel is the chosen people and anyone that goes against them goes against God.

Don't buy the BS that it's to preserve democracy in the middle of these Muslim nations...

Darge is semi-correct as well...we have been the aggressors since WWII, but so has Russia (Afghanistan), Iraq (Kuwait), China (Taiwan) and South Korea.

By: yogiman on 5/27/11 at 11:21

gdiafante,

When did South Korea attack North Korea? I though I was on the defensive side when I was over there.

By: yogiman on 5/27/11 at 11:31

brrrrk,

Are you "working" for yourself? What company would pay you to "play" on your computer and get "your" car fixed on company time?

What are you lying to them about?

By: Loner on 5/27/11 at 11:32

My afternoon rant:

Dargent7 uses the vernacular to posit two rhetorical questions:

"Do you bleeding hearts actually believe the average American (who voted for GW Bush, twice!), gives a rat's ass about the constant bickering/ fear mongering/ waring between Israel, Palestine, and the West Bank, Gohlan Heights, and Jeruselum?"

"Mr. Burch: Listening to, or trying to understand Osama bin Laden, is EXACTLY the same exercise in futility as trying to understand Charles Manson and his "family".
In the end, who gives a shit?"

Dargent is right, of course, few Americans care about any negative consequences that may result from the US-Israel "Special Relationship". Most Americans are, like Dargent7, quite arrogant in their defense of Israel and their condemnation of the Palestinians.

That arrogance is born of ignorance. That ignorance is deliberately enabled by way of AIPAC-generated propaganda. The propaganda is reiterated by the mainstream US media and in the halls of Congress and even in the Oval Office.

The American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) has spent millions of US dollars over the decades, to promote the national interests of Israel, not the national interests of the USA. The Israelis know that their interests may not be in America's interest; so they created their propaganda and campaign finance mechanisms, to advance their own agenda.

AIPAC, together with the pro-Israel political action committee known as the Joint Action Committee, (JACPAC), shape US foreign policy, by way of campaign donations to Jewish and Christian Zionists in the US Congress and the WH.

Helen Thomas was excoriated for stating the ugly facts.

Holy Wars Suck.

Suggested viewing, for those who DO give a rodent's rectum:

http://www.aipac.org/

http://www.jacpac.org/