Burch: A young man's protest

Thursday, June 9, 2011 at 9:05pm
By Michael R. Burch

Brandon Holt is a young man on a mission. Whether that mission is impossible or not remains to be seen. After all, he’s trying to bring Tennessee government to its senses — a truly Herculean task. But I wouldn’t be surprised if he and his fellow student-activists eventually manage to muck out our state legislature’s smelly chambers, just as Hercules once cleansed the stinky stalls of King Augeas. According to legend, the Olympic games were founded to celebrate the victory of Hercules over the rotten-egg rulers of his day.

Holt recently graduated from Martin Luther King Jr. Magnet High School and is now bound for Princeton University. During his senior year, he helped organize seven protests against the now-infamous “Don’t Say Gay” bill, which along with other bizarre bits of bigoted buffoonery (euphemistically called “legislation”) have made Tennessee the butt of many a late-night comedian’s ridicule.

Holt recently helped organize an eighth protest — this one against HB600, which Gov. Bill Haslam signed into law on May 23. It overruled a Metro ordinance that would have required vendors doing business with the city to have nondiscrimination employment policies covering sexual orientation and gender identity.

As reported by WSMV Channel 4 News, Holt and other students recently delivered a petition to Haslam asking him to “repeal the repeal” of Nashville’s nondiscrimination ordinance. According to Holt, he thought Haslam “was even more supportive because we are youth that are taking a stand for what we believe in.”

Holt has also been quoted nationwide by news organizations such as NBC News and msnbc.com, which reported him saying: “This is the civil rights movement of our time, and if we don't take advantage of our opportunity to stand up for what we believe in, then we have lost that opportunity. And this is something that we all feel so strongly about.”

Holt hit the ground running: “My first protest was something that I organized. I found that it wasn’t as daunting or as hard as I thought it would be.”

And he remains undaunted — despite his protests having failed to move Tennessee’s stone-age legislature: “Even though I guess we lost the fight, we kind of won because we set the stage for other young people to take part in government.”

Holt served as a congressional page and that service led him to become politically active: “At page school, I learned that the most important thing a citizen can do is participate actively in government.”

He later worked as an intern for Rep. Jim Cooper (D-Tenn.), who said of Holt and his gay rights movement: “It reminds me of the Freedom Riders in the ’60s. We haven’t had that kind of spunk and gumption displayed by a young person in Nashville in a long time, maybe half a century.”

On a more humorous note, the “Don’t Say Gay” bill has sparked a “light bulb idea” by former Star Trek actor George Takei, who proposes the following: “Any time you need to say the word ‘gay,’ you can simply say ‘Takei.’” He offered examples in a YouTube video: “You could safely proclaim you support Takei marriage. If you’re in a more festive mood, you can march in a Takei Pride Parade. Even homophobic slurs don't seem as hurtful if you say, ‘That’s sooo Takei.’”

Here’s a proposal of my own: “Discrimination is tacky, so buy a Bob Mackie, wear threads bright and fey, then pretend to be gay, till all bigots admit: “We were full of bull*&%?!”

Michael R. Burch is a Nashville-based editor and publisher of Holocaust poetry and other “things literary” at www.thehypertexts.com.

140 Comments on this post:

By: conservarage on 6/10/11 at 2:36

sounds like Holt is a chronic loser - he keeps protesting, with no results. i guess he is going to try to become a community organizer and then run for president.

By: budlight on 6/10/11 at 2:38

Mike Burch, I read your comments at 11:30. May I suggest that since you appear to be a man of reason that you read "Heaven" by Randy Alcorn - a little over 500 pages and intensive reading. Let me know how you feel after you read it.

By: brrrrk on 6/10/11 at 2:42

budlight said

"However, don't be surprised when you find out the bible was directed and written by our one True Source - The Creator of Everything."

So, if the Bible was.... as you say, "directed and written by our one True Source", and that Bible has inconsistencies and contradictions, does that mean that God is flawed? Actually in some ways that makes perfect sense given that human beings are flawed.... and since we're supposed to be created in Gods image, that would logically imply that God is indeed flawed.

By: slacker on 6/10/11 at 2:52

Cecil B. DeMille

By: BigPapa on 6/10/11 at 3:25

If gay marriage is made legal, I'm just wondering who all these "straight" guys think is going to MAKE them marry a man?

By: slacker on 6/10/11 at 3:55

It'll just require a simple pat-down on the first date BigPapa. No worse than airport security.

By: slacker on 6/10/11 at 3:59

OMG.. what this? lol

By: BenDover on 6/10/11 at 4:37

The simple fact is that if homosexuality becomes more mainstream more people will choose homosexual relationships. What does that do to our culture? I don't know. The script we've been passed down to us in our surviving culture based largely on traditional Judeo / Christian values discourages this. Culture is always evolving though so maybe this is the next step forward... or maybe it's a step in the wrong direction. Time will tell.

Riding around on your high horses like you're in a more righteous position because of your tolerance of a minority behavior like it's some kind of civil right though; does not serve society. I understand and have enunciated your points and even personally find nothing wrong with gay marriage; but you guys go on blindly... ignoring my points as to the potential impact on society of this and other radical social and cultural changes that diverge from our society's fundamental values. I don't disagree with change and evolution of thought but to ignore its potential impact on our society and culture is the acme of arrogance.

By: brrrrk on 6/10/11 at 4:45

And Ben, what is the impact? What danger is there? As a representative from the state of Wisconsin said, "How many more gay people does God have to create before we start to realize that discriminating based on ones sexual orientation is wrong?"

By: BenDover on 6/10/11 at 4:59

It goes back to the earlier question about nature v. nurture brrrrk. The Kinsey study showed that people are not absolutely polarized in their preference of heterosexual v. homosexual behavior. And these are views that have been shaped by nurture in one way or another by the time they were surveyed which you would expect to usually further polarize one in an innate preference (if an innate preference even exists outside of cultural influences).

What you are saying is that you get to tell people what they can and cannot consider abhorrent behavior. You're willing to let a judge redefine a cultural behavioral norm and you really don't care what influence it may have on the existing culture or future generations because you and people who agree with you are smarter than a majority of people who disagree with you and all of the forgotten lessens sewn into our culture mores and traditions over the past 4000 years.

By: Captain Nemo on 6/10/11 at 5:35

By: BenDover on 6/10/11 at 4:37
The simple fact is that if homosexuality becomes more mainstream more people will choose homosexual relationships.

Ben are you talking from a closet?

By: dargent7 on 6/10/11 at 6:07

BenDover: "If more and more people choose homosexual realtionships..." Are your insane?
Who'd "choose" a homosexual relationship?
Listen up: people do not CHOOSE to be homosexual.
You are either BORN that way, or not.
And it's not my opinion. It is fact.
Your post at 4:37pm shows what an ignorant bastard you are.
People do NOT choose to be homosexual, therefore your entire diatribe is 100% bullshit, like your past, "let's invade Iraq" was bullshit.
You can hide your ignorance behind venacular, but, eventually, your ignorance seeps out.

By: dargent7 on 6/10/11 at 6:11

Kinsey? 60 years ago? That's like retrieving Masters & Johnson's archives for sexual advice. Also 60 years ago. It's 2011. Get with the program.

By: BenDover on 6/10/11 at 8:07

Well, is it nature or nurture Darge? You show me some evidence and we can discuss it. But even allowing for a natural propensity or inclination... should that be sacred? Should society allow, nay, encorage, every natural inclination a person has? This is the essence of moral relativism and illustrates the absurd nature of having no solid moral framework with which to measure our behavior by. The trend is absolutley destructive to society.

By: yogiman on 6/10/11 at 8:51

dumba..,

RE your 1:31 post, please 'quote' me on where I claimed to be smarter than all of the other people on this site. Okay, I'll have to admit, I am a hell of a lot smarter than you. Your ignorance is pretty evident.

I will argue I am smarter than the majority of the others on this site on the Obama case. And time will tell.

By: BenDover on 6/10/11 at 9:11

Yogi... I learned when I was teaching that the biggest part of teaching a lesson is having a receptive audience. If you are not out here for your own entertainment then you might as well be yelling at a Hackberry tree.

Why don't you try to find a few things you can agree with them on.

By: yogiman on 6/10/11 at 10:50

BenDover,

I understand what you are posting. It would be a pleasure to "argue" with these people in an ordinary friendly manner. But that's impossible now.

My main concern right now is the position this man, whom no one knows anything about, is on his path to destroy our nation. They seem to be accepting him only because he is black. Well, hell, I see him as white.

I understand, I "sound" like a damn fool to you all, but I apparently can see more in this picture than you all can and I am going to keep my "fight" going until the proof comes out.

Obama is a fake from the word go. As I have posted before; why can that man put this nation deeper into debt than all president combined before him. Why can he never make a mistake? Know one he has admitted he made? I don't.

BenDover, if you people aren't concerned about this fake congress we have, you better get ready to go into communism in this nation. That is Barry's goal.

But then, its still all Bush's fault.

By: yogiman on 6/10/11 at 10:55

By the way, BenDover,

When I was a student, as a kid, and a student wasn't paying attention in class, our "mean" teacher would "sneak" up behind us and pop us on the back of the head. Sure got our attention.

By: BenDover on 6/10/11 at 11:33

Yogi... I understand ... you still may as well be yelling at a hackberry. You've been diminished just as certainly as Palin. Doesn't matter how right you may be... you are spinning the wheels and getting no traction.

By: yogiman on 6/11/11 at 12:00

I really do understand what you are posting, BenDover. But as my dad told me as a young boy; I had a hard head..., and I haven't changed in the past 80 years. Convince me I'm wrong and I'll admit it. Until then, I'm gonna keep throwing at them.

I know time will tell.. I just hope these idiots don't feel like the damn fools they are acting like when it is placed in front of them..

And at my age and condition, I hope I'm still here when it happens. And no, I won't try to make them look like the damn fools as they are acting when it is shown I'm right. They'll already be too ashamed of it.

Just one simple question should make them look into it: Why has he been so secretive and spent so much money on the matter?

By: Mike Burch on 6/11/11 at 4:00

BenDover,

I am not a "middle of the road" commentator. Neither were Jesus and Paul.

The early Christians were clearly communists. Read the book of Acts, the self-recorded history of the early Christian church. When two of the early Christians tried to keep some of their money rather than giving it to the church, they were murdered by the Holy Spirit. It seems the Holy Spirit is quite serious about the necessity of Christians becoming communists. Compared to the Holy Spirit, I am something of a milquetoast. I would never murder anyone for not being that far to the left.

Jesus told the rich young ruler that if he wanted to be perfect, he should sell everything he owned, donate all his worldly goods to the poor, take up his cross, and become a mendicant. While I am not a conservative Christian, I would never tell someone else to become a beggar.

I am nowhere as extreme as Jesus and Paul. I'm not a communist. I don't think human beings should go to hell for having consensual sex, or not believing irrational things. But I am not foolish enough to be a conservative Christian either. i side with enlightened human beings like Einstein, Gandhi, Twain, Whitman and Blake.

By: budlight on 6/11/11 at 7:17

Captain Nemo on 6/10/11 at 1:22
Speaking of movies, I’m off to see the Suber8. It looks to be a good for escapism.

Now I know bud will thinks that I am thinking of her all the time, however that is the far from the truth. I think of good people and how great life is, even with people like her. ;-)
See you later.

Strange comment. IF you are not thinking of me, then why would you even bring up my name? Your subconscience must be playing tricks on you.

Einstein, Mike, believed there was One True Source. You stated "I don't think human beings should go to hell for having consensual sex" and that is fine for you to "think" it, however, if you read the book "Heaven" by Alcorn you'll gain a different perspective.

By: revo-lou on 6/11/11 at 7:42

Again yogi, for the umpteenth time, the sheer volume of your ignorance is almost unfathomable. That you continue to exert any mental energy, let alone the immeasurable amount that you do, burrowing further down the birther rabbit hole is mind boggling.

I suspect though that this is not a new trait for you but one of a continuous pattern that has plagued you for all your days. I pity, truly pity, those whose lives you have contact with and pile upon them this derangement that you wallow in with such vigor.

You are a lost cause and the only redeeming factor you have is to serve as an example to others what can happen when one pursues their hate with such tenacity.

By: serr8d on 6/11/11 at 8:16

Mike Burch, the last thing any believer needs to hear is a far-LeftLibProgg like yourself cloak himself in religious garb and preach any religious teachings to anyone. You are NOT a believer; you are an atheist and nonbeliever of the Christopher Hitchens sort (who is going to wake up dead soon enough, do you think he's nervous?) who therefore has no standing whatsoever to 'preach' to anyone. Your words are but mockeries. "Narrow is the way, and few are those who find it"; you are traveling a wide expressway. Somewhere to else.

The Christ came to this planet to save people, not to create new governments to manipulate people's lives, such as you desire. The Christ did not tell Rome to feed the poor; he told individuals to feed the poor. You, and your sorry lot of self-righteous LeftLibProggs would have people protected by an all-encompassing 'nanny-state' government from cradle to grave. Such a thing was never mentioned by the Christ. People have free will, you would take that away, replacing free will with a government dictating 'equality of outcome' to everyone.

So, please, stop your foolish pretend-piousness and preaching as if from the Christ's teachings. You've already denied that life; your mocking is insulting to real Christians, who instead of listening to your crap should tell you to f# off.

Consider it done. F# off.

By: revo-lou on 6/11/11 at 8:28

serr, spreading the "word" again. Where do I sign up serr, your are a great inspiration?

By: yogiman on 6/11/11 at 8:51

revo-lou,

As I have posted before, time will tell, and you will be shown to be the damn fool you actually are for accepting someone you know nothing about as president of this nation.

I may be ignorant in your line of view but your ignorance will be thrown into you face before the next election.

Can you explain why Obama would side with the Senate on questioning John McCain of his legal eligibility, but refuse to be questioned about his own legal eligibility? And can you also explain why the senate allowed him to get away with it? Because the "knew" he was legally eligible? Give me a break.

You, and some of the other posters on this site are going wonder; What happened? How did he get away with that? Sadly, you apparently can't see beyond your noses. Either that, or you are for the communist nation Barry is attempting to take us.

Its funny in a way; you can take Barry's word because 'he said it'. but you look at this old man's word as 'he's full of s..., he don't know what he's talking about.

You "fools" are now packing in the corner, revo-lou.

By: revo-lou on 6/11/11 at 9:08

Wrong yogi, wrong. We have been hearing you and others say for two and a half years that "any minute now” the truth will come out. Well yogi, here is a hard cold fact, the truth HAS come out. You have chosen not to accept it. In your denial you have no less claimed that the whole congressional system is corrupt or in cahoots with Obama, and others, to placate the people of this country into believing something you think is not true.

You are obsessive with an idea that has no merit. But, you insist on showing the world you sickness, and then again, get angry when they call you on it. It is a pattern, and you need serious help.

By: bfra on 6/11/11 at 9:24

revo - I am in full agreement! Can you imagine the agony to be in a room with yogi the kook and have to listen to him? No wonder his kids live so far away and he evidently doesn't have anyone to talk to, since he stays on here 24/7 preaching his insanities. And I repeat pure "insanities"!

By: yogiman on 6/11/11 at 10:38

Children,

Let this old fool try to educate you dummies in a sensible way of thinking; if that's possible.

If this man was born to a teenage mother (age 18) in 1961, under the laws of 1961, with a Kenyan citizen as the father (supposedly), a man who has shown two different ages on his papers.

Now consider, there has never been a marriage license shown of the two as husband and wife. There has never been shown any records as them living together as a married couple (they both showed different addresses at that time). There was never a divorce paper shown of their 'supposed' divorce.

Now consider, the laws of 1961 were different that those of 2008. In 1961, at her age, she did not have the authority to transfer her American citizenship to her child whose father was a foreigner, especially if he was born in a foreign country. If that had been possible, he could have only acquired dual-citizenship.

After their so-called divorce, his mother then married a man from Indonesia named Lolo Soetoro. Mr. Soetoro enrolled hm in school in Indonesia, a nation who, at that time, would not accept a student who was not an Indonesian citizen. Mr. Soetoro then adopted him and gave him the name Barry Soetoro.

Now, when he was made an Indonesian citizen, his American birth citizenship became null and void. After a few years, his mother divorced his Indonesian step-father. At that time, was his citizenship reverted back to American (as it could have been), and was his name reverted back to Barack Hussein Obama (as it could have been)? Only he knows, and he sure as hell wont tell anyone.

If both of his families were Muslims, what makes you think he was raised as a God fearing child? And what makes you think he would have a different way of belief in life when all of his friends (childhood friends and later adult friends) and family members were devout Muslims?

What sensible reason can you have to convince yourself it is okay for him to be so secretive about himself in the office he is in?

Why did he say he was born in one hospital and his half-sister said he was born in another? Why will the hospital not acknowledge it, if he was born there? Hell, isn't the free advertisement worth it? Why has the doctor involved with his birth not come forward acknowledging his being there? Dead perhaps, but his papers would still be on record.

Why did the Kenyan Ambassador make the remark they were renewing his old family home to make it his museum?

And why has his wife stated (twice that I heard) they were going through Africa to visit his homeland of Kenya?

Sure would be good to know the truth, wouldn't it?

But then, with your ways of thinking; to hell with it. We got him. Its okay, regardless of who he is.

By: yogiman on 6/11/11 at 11:13

bfra,

Don't worry about being in a room with me. I, too, am particular for whom I sit in a room with. I like reasonable thinking, intelligent people, and I haven't found many on this site.

By: BenDover on 6/11/11 at 11:47

You are on the outside looking in, there Mike, and it looks differently from there. You don't have to teach me the bible... I've read it myself, thank you very much. I'm not sure why the early church took the differing directions it did but I suspect that as the word must be translated into every language for the world's people to see... it must also speak to differing personalities. Thus, where I personally find much of my inspiration from the Gospels another person may find more inspiration from Paul's Epistles and yet another may be brought to Christ by a fear of consequence described by John of his horrifying visions of the apocalypse.
The bottom line though is that it requires faith and where I may wrestle with a seeming contradiction in my heart and mind when reading the bible it’s only when I turn that question over to faith that the answer becomes evident… often leading to a hundred more questions; so the cycle continues.

In my mind though from a rational perspective it takes a whole lot more faith to believe this world organized itself out of nothing to become the massively complex system we observe today. So I choose to apply my faith in a more traditional and time tested manner now in my life because the other way… the way I was taught by our society and ‘education’ system is incomplete and lacking in many ways.

I don’t know how old you are, Burch, but your level of intellectual maturity is that of a very young man who has not yet learned enough to know what he doesn’t know. I’ve been there myself, sans the arrogant and disrespectful tone you allotted to your faithful neighbors. Hopefully you won’t be one of those who lets this argument continue to polarize you in your views. Hopefully one day you will see the value in something you don’t yet understand.

By: revo-lou on 6/11/11 at 12:25

So, Ben, what you are saying is that unless one agrees with your faith, or sees the world in your light, then, they just haven’t “gotten it” yet?

Rich, son, very rich.

By: yogiman on 6/11/11 at 1:15

Well stated, BenDover.

Having also been down that road in my youth I can assure you, all of these "young brats" that deem themselves to be brilliant "know it alls" will mature someday and realize how stupid they were in so many ways. Time will tell.

I just hope they grow up before Barry sinks this nation all the way down to the bottom of the hole. We are now almost halfway down there now and almost on the road of no return.

Call me stupid, or dumb or ignorant if you wish; I'm just saying God Bless the USA. And it may be the last blessing we get with Barack Hussein Obama (or Barry Soetoro) being welcomed into that office.

By: BenDover on 6/11/11 at 2:28

Well Revo, having, as a younger man, shared and argued the many blind-spots you now defend as truth I can say from experience, yes... you and many others here on this site haven't 'gotten it' yet.

By: revo-lou on 6/11/11 at 3:06

Hmm, I see Ben. So, what you are telling us is that having seen the light, you no longer have to face reality. Makes it much easier, I know, but it is a cop-out just the same.

I love the irony in your statements though. I am sure they elude you, but rest assured there are many who see them shining brightly.

By: yogiman on 6/11/11 at 3:17

Folks, this is an article written by a lady named Ana Puig. Use a small section of that brain you have and see what this lady has to say about our nation's current situation.

"As an American by choice, every day I give thanks to this great country for all the undiscriminating opportunities it has given me throughout my 20-plus years here! Unlike President Obama, I never apologize for America. Quite the contrary, I am so proud to have fought to become and grateful to be an American citizen!

"I was born and raised in Brazil and moved to the United States in 1986 with my family. I came here legally to be part of the American dream: life, liberty, opportunity and the pursuit of happiness. I did not come here to take "advantage" of or change the system but to be part of this great system. Through tough times, with hard work and without any government handouts, today I am proud to say that I am living the American dream, and I want to keep the dream alive for my children and grandchildren.

"During the 2008 presidential campaign, I decided I had had enough and realized that I needed to stop sipping my latte while screaming at my television set. I decided that as a devout American citizen and also a mother of four children, who has had the opportunity as well as the misfortune to live outside America's borders, that it was my duty to get off my couch and fight to preserve the freedoms our Founding fathers put in place. Those freedoms have been under constant attack for decades, but most recently by the "shellacked" Obama administration and a host of unelected bureaucrats enacting non-legislated policies - all of which are outside the bound our Constitution places on the federal government.

"Our economic health and high unemployment rate have, and will continue to be,. important issues of concern to the American people. However, what we fail to realize is that the economic crisis we have in our hands is a direct consequence of the moral crisis in our society. This moral crisis is the same one that has been gradually implemented in South America through a strong and well-planned Marxist program that involved the most important sectors of our society: education, media communications, entertainment and religion.

" These days, I find myself astonished as I realize that there is a direct correlation between what is happening in the United States and what has happened throughout South America. I make no apologizes. What is gradually being imposed on America today, the land of the less and less free, is Marxism through and through. I like to call it the 21t century Marxism since we are not fighting a bloody battle. Instead we are fighting an ideological one.

"Not many Americans would know this, since political events in south America barely make it into the news here, but the political system that we have in place today is exactly the same one implemented by the Marxist in the so-call "Banana republics" by democratically elected presidents such as Hugo Chavez in Venezuela, "Lulu" and Dilma in Brazil, Evo Morales in Bolivia and Cristina Kirchner in Argentina, just to name a few. These leaders have been elected by using the same strategy and tactics that :progresses" in this country have now successfully used: infiltration of the education system and rewriting of our history, implementation of class warfare ideology, voter fraud and intimidation, brainwashing and diversion through mass communication and promises to lower the economics class that will never be implemented due to the real and hidden agenda of these politicians. the Marxist ideology justifies using these kinds of tactics where the "means justifies the end."

"In essence, by not coming together and speaking up against a system that does not work, we will be creating our own "Banana republic" out of our beloved country.

"How we will combat Marxism without real leaders emerging in time like these" The answer is simple: We can't and we won't. Once in power, the first point on the Marxist agenda is to destroy any real conservative leadership seen as a credible threat. All we have to do is take a look at what the mainstream media have been trying to do to Sarah Palin since 2008. But do not be mistaken: They will not stop there. Look at what the left is trying to do to discredit the tea-party movement by claiming racist.

"The people in Latin America who believe in freedom and not tyranny are now fighting to remove these corrupt leaders and take back the power thay gained throgh sham democratic processes. In many instances, however, it is simple too late. Marxist have taken over the legislative and judiciary powers of those countries through a combination of corruption and ideological maneuvering. Citizens of those countries, just like you and I, are paying the price for believing in silver-tonged politicians who make promises they know than can never fulfill. They believe in "hope and change" in Latin America. There has been "change" in that region, just not the "change" the people were hoping for.

"Although this Marxist ideology has already infiltrated us so deeply over decades and with such rapid acceleration under the current administration, we must remind ourselves as Americans that we are unique in what we have inherited, and what we must protect and restore. We must not accept defeat.

"Now is the time to reverse the mistake of November 2008 and add to the gains made in 2010 by bringing all conservatives and independents together, while reforming the GOP, to enforce the grassroots conservative morals and principles of freedom from tyranny and government excess by electing those who will honor their oath to the Constitution. In addition, and most importantly, we need to realize that elections alone are simply not enough anymore. Now, more than ever, we need to fight special-interest groups that are driving up the cost of government. We need to regain control of our state governments and of our country so that we can let "the people" and not the government, once again govern our great nation.

"It is time for Americans to tell the government that it works for us. We, the taxpayers, do not work for the government! Finally, we need to take a page from the other countries histories and fully understand that if we don't have freedom, we don't have life.

"I have left my homeland once, and I refuse to let America go down without putting up a fight!"

Fellow Americans, if you haven't already decided to accept Marxism as it is now being thrown on us, I strongly urge you to read this lady's article closely and see what she is saying.

By: BenDover on 6/11/11 at 3:38

Revo... I like you and you seldom show the kind of malice we see in Burch here.

As I’ve said before I’m fine with gay marriage. There is no record of Jesus saying anything one way or another about it and the churches and people who want to make that the focus of their Christian faith miss the point; just the same as people who focus on that narrow aspect of Paul’s teaching to condemn Christianity. People can agree with me or not, but I really think it’s a disservice to let such harsh criticisms of Christianity by people who don’t understand the faith and the culture and its importance to our society go unanswered though so I guess I’ll keep arguing about it, like Yogi, to the Hackberry trees until there’s nothing left to argue about anymore.

By: yogiman on 6/11/11 at 3:58

BenDover,

Consider: More men and women today are living together today without the normal marriage vows and obligations, so why not let the homosexuals replace them as married couples?

By: revo-lou on 6/11/11 at 9:05

Malice, no. Truth, yes, which some take as hateful intent. So be it. Your “acceptance” of gay marriage rings false given that it has to be on your terms, as evident by your previous post. It may seem that I am siding with Burch, when, in actuality I am going further. As far as I am concerned you can replace any other religion in your post, or my response, to the same cause and effect.

I do find great curiosity in your previous post about going from what you “know” ( or claim not to know) to what you now “believe”, which is subject only to interpretation. Of course a belief “system” makes it much easier to handle what cannot be excepted (with explanation) or which cannot be tolerated. I have always found the falseness of a belief to be an unstable footing for any argument, both personally and socially.

By: localboy on 6/15/11 at 9:21

If homosexuality were a genetic predisposition, wouldn't it have been minimized or died out in a generation or two? Since that hasn't happened, what are the chances that it can become a predominate lifestyle?