Up for Debate

Tuesday, August 9, 2011 at 11:23pm

Metro Director of Schools Jesse Register began pushing the school board Tuesday night to support his plan for a longer school year. He argues that students have a difficult time retaining information over the summer break. His plan would cost an extra $20 million. Do you believe it's worth the taxpayer money to extend the school year? 

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By: Loner on 8/10/11 at 4:37

I doubt if keeping the students cooped up during the dog days of Summer will increase their love of learning or enhance their school spirit.

We hear the good reason, what's the real reason(s) for the extension of the school year?

How much of the 20 million in bonus cash would go to Mr. Sessions himself? Does Sessions have credible data to support his proposal?

If the educational process is failing, extending the process extends and expands the failure. What may be needed is an increase in the quality of the educational process, not an expensive increase in the quantity of inferior instruction.

By: Loner on 8/10/11 at 4:40

OOOps! My bad, for some strange reason, I substituted the surname "Sessions" for "Register" in my earlier post. Sorry about that....nobody's human.

By: dargent7 on 8/10/11 at 4:51

I can't believe school started Aug. 2. In my day, it was after Labor Day, around Sept. 6.
Cuts the summer too short.
Who wants to study when it's sunny and warm outside? And you can't start football in 90 degree weather.

By: Loner on 8/10/11 at 5:05

Darge, in our day, teachers did not have the vacation homes, second new car, boat, camper and expensive hobbies. Today, things are different; most teachers are in serious debt and cannot afford to go on unemployment for the summer break, they are living hand to mouth, like 90% of Americans are currently doing. Increasing the length of the school year will help the teachers make their payments....that's the real reason for the extension, IMO.

By: house_of_pain on 8/10/11 at 5:09

No sir, I don't like it.

By: govskeptic on 8/10/11 at 5:23

20 million dollars more to increase the number of school days from 173 to 180 sure
doesn't sound like a bargain for the taxpayers. Heck, I thought the calendar already had this very minimum 180 days in it already! 200 should probably be the minimum

By: Loner on 8/10/11 at 5:27

So, this is where the old gang congregates, the "Up for Debate" section? I was at my Summer retreat for the past 9 weeks, this is a new NCP feature, I suppose.

When I left for my retreat Anthony Weiner was being grilled...his buns are now toast...that's the 4th sex scandal for NY politicians in the past 4 years. The Empire State has imperial problems...all the little emperors want to take off their clothes.

I missed most of the top stories since then.... it's good to be back.

Captain Nemo called me a couple of times - I missed you folks and the online debates.

By: Funditto on 8/10/11 at 5:32

Students would perform better if the classes were smaller and the thugs were sent home for good. Walk the halls of Hillsboro one day during their lunch, then sit in a class. You'll see what I'm saying.
Spend money on more teachers and put in more resource officers to enforce rules that parents refuse to at home. If we don't, we're just doomed. A longer year won't cure a thing.

By: dargent7 on 8/10/11 at 5:34

Yes Loner, this is the new format. I wondered where you were.
Thought I saw you on "Dr. Drew's Celebrity Rehab" last month.
On Friday's they run add'l Mike Burch's piece. He's smarter than all of us put together.
This one guy "yogi" has hijacked this bored.
Claims to have half a brain but is an expert on all national and International affairs.

By: Loner on 8/10/11 at 5:41

I see.

No, Darge, that wasn't me in no steenking rehab...i underwent Shermanification* during my Summer retreat. Brushwood Folklore Center, (my Summer home) is located about 5 miles outside of tiny, but hard-partying Sherman, NY...on the Pennsylvania-NY border. That's about five hours from here, by way of retired Postal Jeep.

*Shermanification: the process of assimilation into the social fabric of the village of Sherman, NY

By: dargent7 on 8/10/11 at 6:00

When I lived in Del Mar, CA they called us locals, "Del Martians".

By: dargent7 on 8/10/11 at 6:05

August Birthdays:
4th: Barack Obama 50
5th: Lucille Ball 100
19th: President Bill Clinton 65
D'Argent 51 or 50, or a "5150".

By: Loner on 8/10/11 at 6:08

I left a couple of comments here:


I'm still waiting for Judge Eisenstein to respond to my posts.

By: gdiafante on 8/10/11 at 6:10

We are seeing the results from the decline of public education. No one seems to know what to do yet everyone has ideas.

Unfortunately, people now care more about money than education. And then they wonder why we're getting our ass kicked globally.

By: Loner on 8/10/11 at 6:10

Lost your birth certificate, Darge? Yogi may question the validity of your B'day.

By: Loner on 8/10/11 at 6:19

I remember black and white TV reports with hopped-up crowds of angry Southern whites chanting: "Two, four, six eight...We don't want to integrate"...as young black students were being escorted by the police into formerly all-white Southern schools.

The white racists then used Christianity as their cover to create segregated private "Christian" schools, as an alternative to the integrated public school system. The Southern public schools became the hated "government schools". IMO, the sharp decline in public education in the South is largely attributable to this hate-based white flight.

By: Captain Nemo on 8/10/11 at 6:25

Good morning folks. Glade you are back Loner. You forgot a birth day, d7. Captain Nemo 8/4.

By: gdiafante on 8/10/11 at 6:28

Loner, the quality of public education in the South has always lagged behind the rest of the country, largely due to poor, rural areas. When I was in junior high, I moved to CT and the difference was night and day.

However, the crisis in public education isn't a regional issue. There's a reason so many are choosing to home-school, which itself is creating problems. It's an interesting situation...on one hand you have politicians throwing money at education as if throwing darts, trying to hit the bullseye.

On the other hand, you have a public outcry criticizing any expenditure. Add to that misperceptions and faulty political beliefs that label the entire teaching profession as incompetent, parents as lazy and students as inherently stupid, and you have what we have now, an education system teetering on the brink.

By: Loner on 8/10/11 at 6:31

Thanks, Cap'n Nemo and Happy B'day to you and Darge.

I believe that I'm the old man here...I'll be sixty freakin' four on 9/19.

Yes, I'm a sexy genarian....old hippie Rastafarian....pharmacological agrarian....sexagenarian.

By: dargent7 on 8/10/11 at 6:33

My Dad was born in Montreal, Canada.
According to "yogi", I'm not an American citizen.
I cannot hold any office, become President, or rent out "Behind the Green Door".
Add in I was born in Detroit, I should be deported, immediately.

By: dargent7 on 8/10/11 at 6:36

loner: And don't forget all that gynecological training.
That's a tough course load. If I remember correctly, you graduated with the lowest possible honors.

By: Captain Nemo on 8/10/11 at 6:38

Got you on that one Loner, I am now 66.


By: Loner on 8/10/11 at 6:44

I agree with all that, Gdiafante. Indeed, this is a national issue and nobody knows what to do about it. Still, the move to Christian schools and home-schooling has impacted the public school systems in the South, that cannot be denied.

I dunno....maybe we should educate the kids by way of online schooling; could be cheaper and better. That would keep the thugs and bullies out of equation and we could start to reduce the huge fleets of expensive school buses and scrap the plans for new building projects. Kids could learn at their own rates. Peer pressure and puberty-related distractions would be minimized. Pilot studies should be undertaken and the results shared.

On the other hand, why go to any school when all you need to know is now available by way of PC's, smart-phones and the internet? Kids may start wearing T-shirts with logos for Google High and Google University.

Technology is moving rapidly, our educational process needs to catch up with and utilize these exciting new innovations.

By: Loner on 8/10/11 at 6:47

Loner knows gyno.....got my training on the job.

By: Loner on 8/10/11 at 6:51

Captain, 66 earth years, perhaps, but as a starship commander, your true age has been warped by exceeding the speed of light all those years. I'd say you're about 37 earth years of age.

Darge, can you make aliyah to your Canadian homeland...that's your birthright, eh?

By: gdiafante on 8/10/11 at 6:51

Schools are beginning to incorporate PC's, the internet, etc into the curriculum, however, it costs money. Remember, that's what the public keeps bitching about. In essence, they want it fixed but at no cost to the taxpayer.

Greed is, for the lack of a better term...good.

By: Loner on 8/10/11 at 6:54

Actually, IMHO, all the Canadians living in the USA should get the puck out of here.

By: serr8d on 8/10/11 at 6:55

LONER~! My personal favorite dirty hippie! )

Where were you? Get caught smoking something you weren't sharing at the commune gathering? At least you didn't get 11-29...

But, kidding aside, welcome back. This place was a moronic stench pit without your insight. And gdonut, bless his donut-challenged heart, couldn't take up your slack.

Oh, much fun this morning; seems the Wisconsin Union Thugs and Dirty Socialists lost their effort to 'buy' the Wisconsin State Senate; losing their efforts to recall Good Men and Women. The GOP retain the Senate. That's what, two major, costly defeats at the polls in the last couple months? The Prosser debacle lost them a chance to take over the Wisconsin Supreme Court; now, they've spent oodles of union dues, much caterwauling and 'shock and awe' tactics to get what...another black eye.

After spending $15 million per seat to attempt the recalls, all they got for their efforts was a slightly-used bongo drum.

Good times, and schadenfreude here at the #WiUnion hashtag on the Twitter...



By: girliegirl on 8/10/11 at 6:56

Higher electricity bills is ALL we'll gain by this move. Way to go.

By: girliegirl on 8/10/11 at 6:57

After spending $15 million per seat to attempt the recalls, all they got for their efforts was a slightly-used bongo drum. -serr8d
LMAO :-)

Those of us who TEA'd it up these last few years appreciate good humor when we read it!!! (and I'm a Dem)

By: gdiafante on 8/10/11 at 6:58

That yapping little rat terrier is back...who left the door open?

By: gdiafante on 8/10/11 at 6:59

You're a teatard, girlie? Who knew?

By: girliegirl on 8/10/11 at 7:00

In defense of TEA members: we are many parties and backgrounds and are well versed in the advanced applications of Math. The entitlement programs are unsustainable, thanks to birth control, abortions, family planning in general, and the unforeseen medical costs due to technological advances.

By: Kosh III on 8/10/11 at 7:02

dar said
"My Dad was born in Montreal, Canada"

Fraking frog! :)
Take your bogus birth certificate and leave. Right Yogi?

By: BigPapa on 8/10/11 at 7:03

It's just more "free" babysitting disguised as education. If we're saying that more days are better for education let's just bag summer break altogether. The kids get two weeks during the summer and one week at xmas, after all... more days in school= higher test scores right?

There are SOOO many wasted schools days I think they'd do better at using the time they have rather than increase the number of school daze.

By: Kosh III on 8/10/11 at 7:05

Smaller classrooms, maximum of 15, 10 for difficult students.

Plus parental involvement in the child's education.
And mandatory attendance at public schools, including Dean's kids and all the kids of the "elite" who think they are too good or too holy to mingle with ordinary citizens.

By: Loner on 8/10/11 at 7:15

Cost of a new standard length school bus = $80,000 to $95,000

Source: http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2005-05-09-school-bus-crashes_x.htm

Cost of a new desktop PC = starting at $479 (Bulk purchase would reduce this figure even further)

Source: http://computershopper.com/desktops/budget-desktops/top-5-budget-desktops

Let's do the math. If the PC's cost $500 each, then the school boards could purchase at least 160 new PC packages for the price of a single low-end school bus.

By: Captain Nemo on 8/10/11 at 7:19

I am beginning to think that if Jesus Christ was to teach school in Tennessee, that the far right would call it a waste of tax payer’s money.

By: budlight on 8/10/11 at 7:20

By: Funditto on 8/10/11 at 6:32
Students would perform better if the classes were smaller and the thugs were sent home for good. Walk the halls of Hillsboro one day during their lunch, then sit in a class. You'll see what I'm saying.
Spend money on more teachers and put in more resource officers to enforce rules that parents refuse to at home. If we don't, we're just doomed. A longer year won't cure a thing.

I agree with you on this Funditto.

By: bfra on 8/10/11 at 7:22

If students didn't have all the machines to do their thinking for them, they might learn more!

By: girliegirl on 8/10/11 at 7:24

37 languages spoken at Antioch HS does not aid in teaching Algebra, ya know~

By: Loner on 8/10/11 at 7:30

Serr8d. (my favorite right-wing ideologue...except for Ben Dover), I have been on my Summer retreat at Brushwood. I volunteered to work at several music festivals in that area. Partied my @ss off....after nine weeks in the bush, I'm now tanned and rested...ready for robust debate and just plain foolin' around.

Union-busting and bringing the economy into another free-fall scenario seems to be the GOP plan to seize the WH in 2012....that and additional sucking up to AIPAC and JACPAC.

Food for thought: While thoroughly stoned one sunny afternoon, it suddenly occurred to me that the War between the states was actually a war between the Democrats and the Republicans. After the catastrophe, the American people should have outlawed both parties...they both failed the nation miserably.

Both parties continue to fail us...they both gotta go....they are both bought and paid for by the special interests.

Any comments on that?

By: Loner on 8/10/11 at 7:33

Girliegirl....the Arabs invented algebra...are you an Arab sympathizer? An anti-Semite?

(Just Kidding!!)

By: Captain Nemo on 8/10/11 at 7:35

Cutting taxes means no money for more teachers. Instead we spend money for more teachers, that money goes for resource officers and prison guards.

By: Captain Nemo on 8/10/11 at 7:38


The Tea Party does not recognize the Arab contribution to world history. lol

By: serr8d on 8/10/11 at 7:39

They need to design a new and better paddle.

There's no respect for any authority at all in schools; kids 'run over' the teachers at will with little or no recourse, no punishment. Then, as these little brats reach adulthood (if you want to call it that) they continue to be disrespectful and basically can't be hired to work at any job that pays good wages. From no-job it's a short-bus hop to a lifetime of taking social welfare, and voting Democratic so as to keep the slop coming.

You let the little bastiches grow up to be slovenly, unlearned moochers, you get exactly what you've grown: lots of dirty socialists who expect things given to them; a life of relative luxury (compared to the poor in other nations) supplied at taxpayer's expense.

43 Percent Of Americans Pay No Federal Income Tax. And you wonder why we're broke: because the stupid little sh*ts we're raising didn't get forced to sit down, shut up and learn the basics they need to be self-sustaining.

They need to back-design to old-style school systems, adding plenty of discipline. That is all.

By: serr8d on 8/10/11 at 7:42

Really, Loner?

The Mathematics: In the late eighth century, an Indian merchant brought to Baghdad two seminal mathematical works. One was the Brahmasphuta Siddhanta, known to Arabs as the Sindhind, the work of the great seventh-century Indian mathematician Brahmagupta. This contained early ideas about al-jabr, to give algebra its Arabic name. It was this work that Muhammad ibn-Musa al-Khwarizmi in the ninth century was to expand on so successfully. Khwarizmi became known as "the father of algebra" and gave his name to algorithms.

The same Indian merchant also brought a manuscript that introduced for the first time outside India the nine Hindu numerals we use to this day and are now called Arabic numerals. (Before that, numbers were written out as words or notated with letters of the alphabet.) This document also contained the first mention of the 0, which the Arabs called zephirum, from which our words zero and cipher are derived.

Don't be a dummy; g00gle is your friend.

By: serr8d on 8/10/11 at 7:44


Doesn't Michele Bachmann look like a dork?


By: Loner on 8/10/11 at 7:44

The new darling of the ultra-right T&A movement, Michelle Bachmann, sure looks presidential on the recent cover of Newsweek. Bachmann and Palin in 2912? Talk about your dream ticket...from a Democratic standpoint.

Check out the Queen of Rage:


The eyes are the windows to the soul and Bachmann ain't got nuthin' down there....she's an android!

By: Loner on 8/10/11 at 7:45

2912 s/h/b 2012...need meds!