Up for Debate: Alternatives for the industrial east bank

Wednesday, November 23, 2011 at 12:46am

What are your thoughts on an alternative sports park on the east bank of the Cumberland River? What other creative possibilities could be considered for the area?

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By: dargent7 on 11/23/11 at 10:18

brrrrk: Correct. Moronic Republicans will come up with ANY excuse to rationalize their obvious, demented behavior.
Case in point: When Newt Gingrich was asked why he had numerous, adulterous affairs, he proclaimed, "Because I love America that much".
This mind-set actually can attract followers.

By: Captain Nemo on 11/23/11 at 10:19

Nuclear energy is harmless if you don’t stand in the sun too long. Fire is harmless unless it get out of hand and burn you.

By: Loner on 11/23/11 at 10:21

The main difference between Rome and the USA is that when Rome conquered a place, the residents paid tribute to Rome, it was a profit-making enterprise.

Today, the invaders use their own citizen's wealth to finance the invasions and occupations...wealth flows from the seat of power out to the vanquished frontier.

These days, empires are very costly to maintain, in Caesar's day, the empire business was extremely lucrative...the invaders became rich, nowadays the invaders-occupiers are going bankrupt.

Somebody needs to pass this on to the US Congress and the White House...I don't think that they fully understand the dynamics and mechanics of empirical power.

By: Captain Nemo on 11/23/11 at 10:22

Newt might have been right when he said that Ben, because he was posturing himself to the middle, but we all know Newt is a man of his word for the moment.

By: dargent7 on 11/23/11 at 10:26

The reason anyone can adhere, listen, much less look for guidance from a Newt Gingrich, Rick Perry, or Michele Bachmann, is why this country is in the toilet.
America got a true intellectual in the W.H. after a disoriented cowboy, GW Bush, and everyone pounces on Obama, calling him names: Socialist, Communist, Marxist, Muslim.
This country wouldn't know true leadership if it fell over it.

By: BenDover on 11/23/11 at 10:27

Newt's pretty solid. Cain blew up on the first question about backing an attack by Israel on Iran. Might as well have pulled a McCain, "bomb bomb bomb ... bomb bomb Iran"...

By: brrrrk on 11/23/11 at 10:31

Loner said

"As a Letter Carrier, tales of pepper-spray addicted dogs were quite common...the pooches would run up to the mailman, wagging their tales, sticking out their tongues...just begging to be sprayed in the face....it's a canine delicacy."

I don't know Loner..... given that dogs will eat their own shit, using them as a measure of what is and isn't palatable or harmful to humans seems a little suspect to me

By: Loner on 11/23/11 at 10:33

Yeah, I was just kiddin' about the pepper spray...but it makes for a good legend and a spicy urban myth, right? Pass it on.

Frustrated by Cain, the Lying Groper....Mitt, the flip-flopping Magic Underwear Cultist...Perry, the Swaggering Texan With Amnesia....Bachmann the Wild-Eyed Joan of Arc....and Ron the Unelectable....the attention and spotlight now falls on Newt Gingrich, the Fat Cat Hypocrite...can the gray-haired, double-chinned political has-been save the Republican Party? My crystal balls are fuzzy on that.

The TP-GOP is adding eye of Newt to the bubbling cauldron as they stir the toxic brew....nothing says lovin' like something from this coven.

By: BenDover on 11/23/11 at 10:33

Bachmann came out really well in the debate but I think her ship has sailed. Same thing for Santorum... he sounded really good but stick a fork in him... he's done. Huntsman, same thing, except the 'he sounded really good' part.

By: Captain Nemo on 11/23/11 at 10:33

"This country wouldn't know true leadership if it fell over it."

Correction dargent the fringe right and their GOP puppets wouldn't know true leadership.

By: BenDover on 11/23/11 at 10:35

Well if Obama has illustrated anything it's that we can survive on autopilot for at least one term regardless of how much a radical leftist yanks at the yolk.

By: Loner on 11/23/11 at 10:38

I think that Junior Bush has already established the fact that we can fly on autopilot for 8 years at a time, Ben...of course, Dick Cheney was operating the autopilot console....and he took his orders from Haliburton and the Neocons.

And that's no yolk, Ben...I'm serious.

By: dargent7 on 11/23/11 at 10:40

"Newt's pretty solid...."
And Charles Manson was a super-duper family role model.

By: Captain Nemo on 11/23/11 at 10:43

Perry and Bachman has made GWB look like a smart person.

I’ve got to go now. I hope you people have a good Thanksgiving, you too serr8d.

By: BenDover on 11/23/11 at 10:45

W carried us through many years of turmoil. If we had an autopilot president it was Clinton who got the boat with a full tank, recent tune up and clear weather... He ran it balls out though for 8 in a row with no service or maintenance and tossed the keys to the smoking heap over his shoulder on the way out.

By: BenDover on 11/23/11 at 10:46

Happy Turkey day Nemo.

By: dargent7 on 11/23/11 at 10:46

Obama illustrated we need a brilliant mind in the W. H.
Not a GW Bush who only knew 2 out of 12 leaders of foreign countries.
Not a Perry who cannot count to three.
Not a Bachmann, who's husband can cure homosexuality. ( For the low, low price of $5,800. billed directly to your insurance carrier).
Not a Palin who quits half way during her elected term.
Not a Mormon who believes in "Magic Underware".
They should all take IQ tests..the highest score gets the keys to the front door.

By: bfra on 11/23/11 at 10:56

By: BenDover on 11/23/11 at 10:45

W carried us through many years of turmoil. If we had an autopilot president it was Clinton who got the boat with a full tank, recent tune up and clear weather... He ran it balls out though for 8 in a row with no service or maintenance and tossed the keys to the smoking heap over his shoulder on the way out.
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Ben, the only thing you have right in this is comment, is the first line and even that is wrong when you say W carried us. Turmoil part, yes, turmoil created by the smirky W at Cheney's direction. But then he didn't really carry us, we just suffered thru.

By: Loner on 11/23/11 at 11:09

The trouble with cruising on autopilot is that eventually, you run out of fuel...then the party is over...the Republicans are obstructing the president's economic recovery agenda; they are deliberately stalling the recovery, in hopes of inducing another recession , this time on Obama's watch. By doing that, they hope win the WH in 2012.

The US Congress is backing the Israelis on the Iranian threat deal...if (when?) Israel strikes Iran, gasoline prices would double, or triple, IMO...especially if the US is sucked in and if the Straits of Hormuz are blocked for an extended period.

China and Russia have good relations with the Iranians...they will not sit idly by while the US and Israel eviscerate the place.

Russia has just moved "warships" off the Syrian coast...in case NATO tries a Libya style intervention.

These new US sanctions on the Persians, indicate that Obama is not afraid to play with fire...last week he announced that more US military force would be stationed in Australia..to counter the Chinese influence in the area.

Obama is more neoconic than Bush?

President Obama ought to return his Nobel Peace Prize, in my opinion....maybe the Nobel folks should rescind their decision?

By: BenDover on 11/23/11 at 11:13

Clinton got the war dividend from the ending of the cold war. His tax increases were unsustainable and the revenues were due mainly to income inflation and surprised him as much as it did everyone else. The problem was that when families figured out that the marriage penalty was costing them 1/2 that 2nd big income in taxes the bloom was off the rose and hello recession.

The tech boom caused by shifting all that high tech gains in military investment into the private sector. His 'reinventing government' deserves some credit as does NAFTA... he was forced into Welfare Reform so no points for that. He wasted his first year on Health Care and it was having the same disastrous effect on the economy then as it has now; but thankfully it failed during his tenure and the economy recovered.

He laid all of the groundwork for the Sub-prime lending crisis by expanding on the CRA tenfold and leaning on lenders with heavy-handed regulation for those who did not make bad loans and by establishing the root corruption of Fannie and Freddie that proceeded to what we now know as the sub-prime collapse.

He created the wall of separation between intelligence agencies in this country undermining national security and setting us up for the big 9/11 hit by treating terrorism as a law enforcement problem rather than a national security problem... failing to pull the trigger on Bin Laden for same reason.

His most laudable accomplishment in my mind was bringing peace to Northern Ireland and Great Britain... our humanitarian intervention in Kosovo was also a high-point and I've got a lot of respect for him there as well.

To have this polar view of Clinton is Saint and Bush is Satan is to ignore the facts of the matter and just have your opinions formed by a left-biased media.

By: Loner on 11/23/11 at 11:22

Ben, your nautical comments about Bill Clinton burning out the cigarette-boat-of-state are novel and humorous...but complete baloney. Clinton left office with the singularly amazing accomplishment of having presided of two BALANCED federal budgets....that's leaving the boat with a full tank of gas and with everything ship shape....so to speak....mate.

By: dargent7 on 11/23/11 at 11:44

It's really a consistent pattern.
Just keeps getting more absurd, toward psychosis, every day.
"GW Bush carried us..."
He, and along with his cohorts, brought the USA into two, unfunded wars.
Both useless, worthless. Saudi Arabia was the culprit for 9/11. But, I guess a 5th grader is smarter than the typical Republican walking Tennessee's streets.
Killing thousands of the people we were attempting to "protect" and save".
Same ideology as Gingrich who rationalizes his multi-affairs with the the pathological liar statement: "Because I cared that much about America".
Only a Republican could possibly adhere and believe that bullshit, eyes wide open.

By: Loner on 11/23/11 at 11:46

Ben, with all due respect, that's quite a load. Clinton overtaxed the one percenters and corporations and that helped to burn-out the boat's engines? Too much fuel killed the engines?

Using your cigarette-boat-of-state analogy, Junior Bush climbed into the boat's cockpit, with First Mate Cheney in the co-pilot's seat, and announced that the boat no longer needed re-fueling...he smiled with that signature vapid grin and then ordered Dick to "GUN IT!!!"...he forgot to untie the mooring lines first....then came 9-11...Bush panicked.

After running the battered craft onto the rocks, on Sept, 15, 2008...Dick and Junior put on life jackets and left the boat foundered on the rocks...they were airlifted out....Obama was airlifted in and charged with patching the hull, pumping the bilge, repairing the engines and getting the repaired boat off the rocks and back out to open water. Quite the task for any mortal man.

Obama has done fairly well, considering the fact that his enemies are praying for him to fail. He's patched the hull, pumped the bilge and is trying to restart the engines...the Republicans are putting water in the fuel....pulling out essential wires...plugging intakes etc. They hope that their sabotage will not be noticed by the onlookers....they are bold, if nothing else.

And these GOP Presidential hopefuls are bilge rats who would be skipper. I'm sticking with Obama...I'm no mutineer...AAARRRGGGHHH!!!

By: Loner on 11/23/11 at 12:02

Happy Turkey Day, Captain Nemo....and I know that you know that we have a lot to be thankful for...a day set aside for gratitude is cool with liberals and conservatives alike; it's a day for celebrating what binds us together...finding the common ground...Native Americans and Puritans sat down for a common feed...we can too....after the meal, the natives broke out the peace pipe...they sang Km Ba Yah around a campfire that night, native drummers pounding out a festive beat..whitey was catching a buzz...the natives retired the tomahawk for the evening. They slept in the next morning.

By: Loner on 11/23/11 at 12:15

Ben blames Jamie Gorelick, of the Clinton Administration, for creating the so-called ' wall of separation" between intelligence agencies and that's what lead to the failures that allowed 9-11 to occur.

That's BS too. Here's a snippet:

"This (blame Gorelick) assertion was disputed by former senator Slade Gorton (R-WA), a member of the 9/11 Commission, who said, "nothing Jamie Gorelick wrote had the slightest impact on the Department of Defense or its willingness or ability to share intelligence information with other intelligence agencies." Gorton also asserted that "the wall" was a long-standing policy that had resulted from the Church committee in the 1970s, and that the policy only prohibits transfer of certain information from prosecutors to the intelligence services and never prohibited information flowing in the opposite direction.".

Source:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamie_Gorelick

There, stick that in your peace pipe and smoke it, Benjamin Dover.

By: Loner on 11/23/11 at 12:35

Condi Rice, Bush's window-dressing National Security Adviser, knew about reports that Al Qaeda was planning to hijack US airliners and use them as missiles, she did not think much about it...nobody bothered to put the airports on high alert.

Junior Bush was posing for pictures, clearing brush etc....he was caught napping on 9-11....either that, or he was somehow complicit...take your choice...I go with the more benevolent "napping" explanation.

Blaming President Clinton, instead of President Bush, for the failures that lead up to 9-11 is not being fair or accurate, it is a dubious charge...bogus and spurious.

Junior Bush blew it right off the bat...then he took the nation to war(s) based upon lies...then he beached the economy...then finally he swaggered off into the Texas sunset...still smirking....still cocky.

And Ben Dover is still a fawning fan of the failed Junior Bush...incredible.

By: Loner on 11/23/11 at 12:40

Hey, I gotta go, kids.

I have ranted here aplenty...have a great Thanksgiving everyone...Loner out.

By: BenDover on 11/23/11 at 1:22

Have a good Thanksgiving Loner.

By: BenDover on 11/23/11 at 1:41

Yeah... there's been a lot of revisionist cover fire to go along with the media's artillery assault on everything conservative loner. It functions because people mostly just hear what reinforces their biases.

Bush dealt with the the 2000 recession, VC drying up due to the election uncertainty... the Enron WorldCom debacles, 9/11, unprecedented natural disasters, 2 wars, and the culmination of horrible federal policy that created and exacerbated the sub-prime mortgage crash.

Obama's been bailing water? $1,000,000,000,000 a year deficits over trend in addition to re-spending all the TARP 1 repayments (with interest) such that the taxpayers will never ever ever see a dime of it again.

Clinton's paper surpluses were built on Reagan spending the USSR into Oblivion resulting in the end of the cold war and on unsustainable tax revenues where income inflation jacked the typical professional working couple up into the highly punitive tax brackets for a year or so before they realized all that hard work was going in Uncle Sam's back pocket.

Just because the leftist media repeated the Clinton God, Bush Monkey-Man spin every day for 16 years doesn't make it so... any more than it makes a 2 bit punk rabble-rouser like Obama a brilliant conductor of the world economic symphony... ("pay no attention to the missing $4,500,000,000,000 since inauguration!" ... "pay no attention to the missing $4,500,000,000,000 since inauguration!")...

By: Kosh III on 11/23/11 at 1:45

For Ben & Co who contend that Fannie Mae & Freddie caused the Bush Recession

"More than 84 percent of the subprime mortgages in 2006 were issued by private lending institutions.
Private firms made nearly 83 percent of the subprime loans to low- and moderate-income borrowers that year.
Only one of the top 25 subprime lenders in 2006 was directly subject to the housing law that's being lambasted by conservative critics"

Read more: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2008/10/12/53802/private-sector-loans-not-fannie.html#storylink=omni_popular#ixzz1eYjosCX8

By: Kosh III on 11/23/11 at 1:51

Ben
"Reagan spending the USSR into Oblivion resulting in the end of the cold war"

That had nothing to do with it. The USSR failed because it could not sustain the massive wars and military spending needed to keep their Empire going---esp Afghanistan.
This failing was already apparent years before, which is why Krushchev tried and failed to reform the system.
Plus, by the late 70s the neglect and incompetence of Brezhnev's rule had led the country into failure.

In 83, Andropov and later Gorbachev tried to prop up the collapsing system but it was much too late.

Facts, not rightie fables.

By: BenDover on 11/23/11 at 2:05

"That had nothing to do with it. "

[holding my arm high in the air so as not to get bullsh*t all over it]

By: Kosh III on 11/23/11 at 2:28

You can blather and insult all you want, but first provide solid factual evidence to support your notion that the adulterous Reagan caused the collapse of the CCCP.

Meanwhile, honest historians can provide amply evidence that it was the inherent flaws in the system, such as the lack of incentive, the massive and ponderous bureaucracy, the spending on war and Empire that had the most to do with it.
I'm not sure how Reagan helped caused the problems that Krushchev tried to solve or that Reagan was in a position to help the stagnation of the Brezhnev years which ended shortly after the adulterer took office and began sucking up to the Iranian theocrats.

By: brrrrk on 11/23/11 at 2:44

Fox News Viewers Know Less Than People Who Don't Watch Any News: Study

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/21/fox-news-viewers-less-informed-people-fairleigh-dickinson_n_1106305.html?ref=mostpopular

Yogi, did you get any phone calls recently?

By: BenDover on 11/23/11 at 2:54

http://www.historynet.com/president-ronald-reagan-winning-the-cold-war.htm

By: BenDover on 11/23/11 at 3:16

These 'conservatives are idiots' studies come out all the time. It's just confirmation bias run wild.

http://www.politicsdaily.com/2009/03/08/limbaughs-audience-better-informed-than-most-media-outlets/

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/jun/20/jon-stewart/jon-stewart-says-those-who-watch-fox-news-are-most/