Up for Debate: Another tragic school shooting

Wednesday, April 4, 2012 at 2:10am

There's been another tragic school shooting, this time in Oakland, Calif. Is there anything that can be done to help prevent or minimize the chances of such events? Is this just a reality for America, and Americans living and working in areas where many people congregate daily? Will it only get worse as those driven to commit such acts are pushed to inflict as much harm as they can, more than they've seem others do?

134 Comments on this post:

By: Loner on 4/4/12 at 3:14

Good morning, Nashville.

Where's the really big story of the day...the unanimous vote of the TN State Senators to ban baggy, saggy pants in TN public schools? TN joined FL and AL yesterday in proving that Abe Lincoln screwed up....the South is just too backward to be a positive contributor to the American culture....these ludicrous saggy pants laws illustrate my point perfectly.

As for these mass-murdering gunners...seems like they are always "law-abiding gun-owners", poster boys for the NRA, right up to the moment they snap and go berserk without warning.

The nation is awash in firearms; it is only natural that some of them are going to be used in this manner, human nature being what it is.

No, we can't get the vulnerability to madness out our species...but with a little common sense, and vigilance we can get the guns out of the hands of the flaming nut-jobs.

By: Ummm... on 4/4/12 at 4:22

Loner, you said: "No, we can't get the vulnerability to madness out our species...but with a little common sense, and vigilance we can get the guns out of the hands of the flaming nut-jobs."

Sorry, but I'm convinced it will take more than "common sense and vigilance" to get the guns away from BenDover and Yogi.

By: Loner on 4/4/12 at 4:30

S/h/b "out of our species"....my bad.

"Common sense and vigilance?" Yeah, I was being Pollyannish, I suppose, Ummm. "Common sense" is increasingly uncommon...and the vigilantes are armed.

And a fine good morning to you, Ummm...it's cool and calm here, as the sun comes up...we had our brief, but glorious flirtation with Spring....it's frosty every night lately...old man Winter is still in town.

By: Loner on 4/4/12 at 4:33

The California shooter bought his gun legally....the guy had trouble dealing with women...so the knucklehead decides to become a male nurse....not a good fit....they refused to refund his $6,000 tuition after they threw him out for anger issues....a penny-wise & dollar foolish decision, in 20/20 hindsight.

By: gdiafante on 4/4/12 at 5:10

There is nothing wrong with the second amendment. There is something fundamentally wrong with believing that there shouldn't be limits upon that right.

For example, does the 2nd amendment give a 5 year old the right to bear arms? Does that right exist anywhere? There are reasonable restrictions in place, but the one glaring issue is mental health. How can we predict that someone will "snap" and go on a shooting spree?

The answer isn't taking away the 2nd amendment, but it likely means instituting better safeguards. We could have an entire different discussion on mental health, but that is where this lies. People are becoming unhinged and they have easy access to weapons. That's the problem.

By: dargent7 on 4/4/12 at 5:13

One Goh (nice name for his Tombstone), was expelled as a nursing student at the all Korean college
His mother and brother recently died.
He was Korean and disrespected. That student at Virginia Tech was Korean, too.
I guess psychosis knows no bounds when it comes to Nationality.

By: dargent7 on 4/4/12 at 5:16

re: "cavity searches" for any arrest....SCOTUS has got to be the dumbest crop of idiots ever assembled in one room.
I see on the tv show, COPS, the Police always choking the guy, putting their hands in his mouth, "Spit it out, now!". The perps have time to put their crack in a balloon shoved up their asses during a trafic stop?

By: gdiafante on 4/4/12 at 5:39

RE: cavity searches: does anyone else find it surprising that the Conservative judges affirmed the ruling, which seems to go against individual's right of privacy? Especially considering, traditionally, Conservatives championed individual rights?

Why would someone arrested on a minor offense need a cavity search?

The USSC is quickly losing credibility.

By: yogiman on 4/4/12 at 5:43

Ummm,

Just thought I might correct your wording in your ignorant comment to Loner. You stated; "No, we can't get the vulnerability to madness out of our species..." Your comment should have been; "No, we can't get the [ignorance] to madness out of our species...", because you're exposing your ignorance to the population for people like you and your fellow posters on this site to feel so supportive of a man whom you know nothing about as your president.

My, and BenDover's, common sense and vigilance positively confirms your ignorance of the Constitution.

By: dargent7 on 4/4/12 at 5:53

Wade: Your constant, "We don't know who he is", "know his name", "know where he was born..." tripe has reached it's expiration date.
Work on Romney's father, grandfather, and great grandfather's all being born in Mexico to escape America's anti-polygamy laws. Why else would Americans live in Mexico? The water?
Then work on what Mormons believe God is to be. "We'll shall become Gods.." Not "as God like" or follow God's teachings, but actual Gods.
That'll keep you busy until the election.

By: yogiman on 4/4/12 at 5:53

Now, on the subject of the NCP's post this morning.

I believe you will probably find the vast majority of these incidents come from people who were raised in one parent households with the parent being the child's mother who is uneducated and was possibly raised in a one parent family themselves.

The don't know what family life is all about.

By: gdiafante on 4/4/12 at 6:02

Yogi, I disagree with Ben on many things, but I would never compare him, in any way, to the likes of you.

And, for someone who keeps espousing your knowledge of the Constitution, you fail miserably. Here are a few highlights of issues that you completely missed the mark:

1. The Constitution does not define the term natural born citizen.
2. The Constitution does grant the President the authority to issue Executive Orders.
3. The Constitution was not signed in 1776.
4. Alexander Hamilton successfully defended Congress' ability to establish a central bank with his Implied Powers doctrine, which has stood for two hundred years and is the basis for most government intervention.

By: yogiman on 4/4/12 at 6:05

Sorry, dargent7,

I'm going to keep harping until the man is publicly exposed. And in the meantime, I think you should go back to school and study the laws of this nation you're living in. Maybe you can learn what a citizen is and learn the difference between a natural born citizen and a native born or naturalized citizen. Lesson one: They all ain't the same.

By: gdiafante on 4/4/12 at 6:08

You'll be harping for the rest of your life, yogi. He's the President and neither Congress nor the USSC is going to say differently because there is no legal basis to do so.

By: Ummm... on 4/4/12 at 6:13

gd- you're right, I probably owe Bennie an apology. Even though he is a kool-aid gulping Teapublican, I don't seriously question his sanity (like I do with you-know-who).

By: Captain Nemo on 4/4/12 at 6:15

Loner-

Perhaps the madness of our species is because to our glorifying war and stand your ground attitude. Violence is apart of human nature, but that is do to our long road up the ladder of knowledge. However this education has been corrupt by greed, intolerance and the fear of change.

In this case of a former student killing others seems to be triggered by bullying. With easy access to guns and in a society of gun loving shoot first and ask questions later mentality, this will only continue.

Holy warriors suck.

By: dargent7 on 4/4/12 at 6:24

This side-show with "yogi" is nothing as compared to 2-3 years ago with "Chief" and "Bud Lite".
There were several others' who have dropped out or who have been arrested.
Wade: This whole notion of your's, "No one know's who he is..." is symtoms of a cognative dissonance and an acute mental disorder. Seek help other than web sites of like "minded".
Obama rose thru the ranks, swiftly. He didn't languish in the Senate for 20 years before running or was a Governor before being voted out of office like Romney and Santorum.
No one gets to the office of President of the United States based on fraud...except GW Bush.
Where in the F*** were you then, in 2000?

By: Captain Nemo on 4/4/12 at 6:24

BenDover has his faults, but being classified as a yogi is way off base.

By: yogiman on 4/4/12 at 6:27

Your right as usual (as you think), gdiafante, the Constitution doesn't define "natural born citizen". But back in the "old" days people had common sense which you're apparently unfamiliar with. The people thought differently two centuries ago. They didn't have automobiles or airplanes or even central heat and air conditioning in their homes. Hell, they didn't even have electric stoves or lights.

Common sense should tell you a natural born citizen would be a child born to parents who were both citizens of the nation where they are born. I believe if you looked it up that decision has been make in US courts several times in the past.

To consider the 14th Amendment as the qualification to become president of this nation could only be defined as plain ignorance. That would be saying a woman could come to the US, have a baby, take it back to her home nation, raise it until it was 35, then it could come to the US and run for the president's office even if it couldn't speak English.

Doesn't that give you a clue as to why Barack Obama refuses to identify himself? Being born as a British subject, he can only be an Indonesian citizen or a Kenyan citizen based on his birth or adoption. Dual citizen at best if he was born in Hawaii.

And if he was born in Kenya as has been claimed, his mother could not have passed her American citizenship down to him.

By: Captain Nemo on 4/4/12 at 6:29

By: yogiman on 4/4/12 at 6:43
Ummm,

My, and BenDover's, common sense and vigilance positively confirms your ignorance of the Constitution.
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I think it would be polite to say, Ben and I or Ben and me. Not to mention correct.

By: Captain Nemo on 4/4/12 at 6:32

Back in the old day’s people had commons sense. To bad you never understood what that was yogi. You still the Old Fool.

By: Ummm... on 4/4/12 at 6:33

And now, piling on, Nemo says: "BenDover has his faults, but being classified as a yogi is way off base."

OK, OK, I get it! Sorry little Bennie, I shouldn't have lumped you in with Yogi as (in Loner's words) "flaming nut-jobs."

By: gdiafante on 4/4/12 at 6:35

I'm not going to be dragged into your cess pool of ignorance, yogi. There is no law stating that parentage applies to someone born on U.S. soil. The Constitition states the President has to be these things: natural born, 35 years old and have lived in the U.S. 14 years. It doesn't qualify these. U.S. Code does, again, parentage not an issue for those born in the U.S. Case law supports these positions.

Until the USSC takes on a birther case, makes a definitive ruling and actually defines natural born citizen, there is no legal basis for your argument.

So, if you're going to sit here day in and day out and throw a tantrum like a spoiled little brat, direct your whining towards the courts, not us.

By: Captain Nemo on 4/4/12 at 6:37

From yesterday;

By: BenDover on 4/3/12 at 9:46
2 cents a gallon in profit compared to the 48 cents in taxes is the view that offers perspective about who is demagoguing on the issue.
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Ben how would we pay from new roads and up keep of the present road system? Tolls?

By: Captain Nemo on 4/4/12 at 6:40

Sorry Ummm, it was not my intention to lump it on. lol

By: yogiman on 4/4/12 at 6:40

You're tight, gdiafante, the Constitution was not signed in 1776. Only the Declaration of Independence was "adopted" in 1776, on July 4th, and the Constitutional Convention began in 1787 when seven of the new states got together 'to start their arguments'.

The Constitution became effective on June 21, 1788 when the 9th State ratified it and we've been the United States ever since... and I hope we stay that way.

By: Captain Nemo on 4/4/12 at 6:43

How will the United States of America will stay united is going to be hard when we have Birthers trying to dismantle it.

yogi SUCKS

By: yogiman on 4/4/12 at 6:45

I'll repeat one more time, gdiafante, if you are right on the eligibility argument, why hasn't Barack Obama simply shown his birth certificate to prove himself legally eligible?

By: Captain Nemo on 4/4/12 at 6:47

yogi, life is just a mirror, and what you see out there, you must first see inside of you.

By: Ummm... on 4/4/12 at 6:47

Voter's quandry: Candidate "A" has Yogi's support, Candidate "B" is actually Satan himself. Let me think... yep, "B" it is.

By: yogiman on 4/4/12 at 6:49

nimrod,

You should study English a little more and learn letter writing before you edit my posts.

By: gdiafante on 4/4/12 at 6:49

I believe he has, yogi. He's shown the short and long form. How shocking that those who whined about them would not believe it?

It's really a no-win situation for Obama. Birthers had the "forgery" argument rehearsed and ready to go before the long-form press release was cold.

By: Captain Nemo on 4/4/12 at 6:50

Because Obama doesn’t need to, it is one of the requirements to qualify for him to run, SILLY OLD MAN!

By: Captain Nemo on 4/4/12 at 6:54

What does The Great Emptiness and The Great Void, have in common?

The describe yogi’s brain.

By: gdiafante on 4/4/12 at 7:00

Did you know that yogi's brain was referenced in a Seinfeld episode?

Remember the one about shrinkage? Great voids are often cold...lol

By: dargent7 on 4/4/12 at 7:01

This is getting absurd: Obama's Birth Cert. was on the Internet for 1 year before he ran in 2008. I know. I saw it.
The Hawai'i State office that retains the original "Live Births" was getting 10,000 requests a day for a copy after he won. They shut it down, not Obama.
Nut -Jobs (flaming) continue on to say, "A Certificate of Live Birth" isn't the same as "Birth Certificate". What horse-shit.
Hawai'i only became a state in 1958. Prior, it was a colony ruled by a King and Queen.
Maybe, just maybe, they didn't get all their shit together by USA standards in 1961 when Barack Obama was born.
These so called, "Birthers" have severe mental disorders. Way beyond the safety net called, RACISM.
Like I said, explain why Romney is qualified to hold office if his entire paternal family tree were all born in Mexico.

By: Captain Nemo on 4/4/12 at 7:02

LOL gdia.

By: dargent7 on 4/4/12 at 7:04

gD: I still watch 2 Seinfelds a day....I also watch Larry David's "Curb Your Enthusiam" on HBO. A little edgier, and they can swear (alot) on cable.
"Yogi's" shrinkage is located south of his brain, between his legs, just like George's.
But, sadly, "yogi" never goes into the pool.

By: Captain Nemo on 4/4/12 at 7:05

Yogi’s birth certitcate is in the Hen House. He was hatched.

By: Rasputin72 on 4/4/12 at 7:09

The United States has become extremely stressful for those that are not comfortable with their welfare and food stamp allotments. Wanting to earn ones own way and compete for higher wages is for some an almost impossible task.

I am afraid that mass killings are becoming rather trendy among those that find the task of success impossible.

I take note that those who feel comfortable with their welfare lives are not among those that carry out these murders.

By: gdiafante on 4/4/12 at 7:10

That's true Rasputin. You never see big oil go on a shooting spree.

By: Captain Nemo on 4/4/12 at 7:15

LOL d7

By: Captain Nemo on 4/4/12 at 7:17

LOL gdia

By: yogiman on 4/4/12 at 7:23

dargent7,

A birth certificate is issued by the hospital you are born in, unless you are born at home. Now, tell me, how could Obama have been born in a hospital that did not exist when he was born? And which hospital was he born in, the one he named, or the one his sister named?

And if you can't see any of the errors on that piece of paper he's issued as his birth certificate, you need to get your eyes checked.

And let's get off this race issue. It has nothing to do with the situation and is only being brought up by his supporters. As far as I can see, that's the only reason you voted for him. Got another?

By: gdiafante on 4/4/12 at 7:26

Yogi, I'd argue that most people would have voted for a block of wood in 2008 if it promised a different direction than the previous 8 years.

By: Ummm... on 4/4/12 at 7:32

gd said: "Yogi, I'd argue that most people would have voted for a block of wood in 2008 if it promised a different direction than the previous 8 years."

Amen.

By: bfra on 4/4/12 at 7:33

By: yogiman on 4/4/12 at 7:27

Your right as usual (as you think), gdiafante, the Constitution doesn't define "natural born citizen". But back in the "old" days people had common sense which you're apparently unfamiliar with. The people thought differently two centuries ago. They didn't have automobiles or airplanes or even central heat and air conditioning in their homes. Hell, they didn't even have electric stoves or lights.
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Drats! All these months 24/7 he has preached, "Read the Constitution". Now, it's just "common sense", what an absolute nut and that is insulting nuts.

By: Captain Nemo on 4/4/12 at 7:38

I voted for a rock in 2004.

By: Captain Nemo on 4/4/12 at 7:43

yogi says, "The people thought differently two centuries ago. They didn't have automobiles or airplanes or even central heat and air conditioning in their homes. Hell, they didn't even have electric stoves or lights."

Oh my! What a brain. NOT.

By: Captain Nemo on 4/4/12 at 7:45

If yogi was to fall into the depths of stupidly, he would first have to climb up.