Up for Debate: Avoiding a 'fiscal cliff'

Tuesday, October 2, 2012 at 2:38am

In the midst of an election cycle, Congress and the president must carve out a plan of attack to avoid tax increases this January. How do you think they should act? What should be done? And how well do you think they'll be able to work together to accomplish such a task?


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127 Comments on this post:

By: govskeptic on 10/2/12 at 4:16

Number one would be to re institute the 2% Social Security tax
that has been rather stupidly discontinued for some years now..
Number two would be a requirement that the IRS not be sending
as many as 175 refund checks to one address, nor allowing Child
Credits for multiple children with no SS number or proof those
children are even living or in this country.

No matter the winner of the Presidential election, this lame duck
session is sure to be a wild one. Those defeated members and
those retiring are subject to voting for about anything. Leadership
in both houses and by both parties is possibly weakest in history.

By: gdiafante on 10/2/12 at 5:02

Leadership in both houses and by both parties is possibly weakest in history.

Not "possibly", it is.

The nasty little truth that no one wants to face is that taxes are going to have to go up and entitlements are going to have to be reformed. But I really don't expect anyone in Washington to be honest about it regardless of the election results.

We should change our motto to Kick the Can...

By: dargent7 on 10/2/12 at 5:13

If Obama is re-elected, which I expect he will be, Congress and Washington will not get anything done.Republicans will be so shell-shocked, bewildered, and in a constant state of pain and numbness.
You think they were upset Obama won in '08?
You haven't seen anything yet
This gaggle of immature infants will go into complete tantrums and ruin 4 more years of America.

By: parnell3rd on 10/2/12 at 5:20

I am enjoying the fact that Obama's team has conceded the first debate tp Mitt Romney.
"Romney is a better debater than Pres. Obama" Wow, talk about lowering expectatations!
Of couse, Obama is nothing without his teleprompter.

As for the "fiscal cliff" we've been headed there for decades. We are seeing a preview with what is going on in Europe. Except our debacle will be worse.
Kind of like how Unions here don't get their way. Airplane seats mysteriously come unbolted in flight.

By: gdiafante on 10/2/12 at 5:31

Both are lowering expectations, parnell. They did a great bit about it last night on The Daily Show.

Darge, the presidency doesn't matter, Congress does. They are the ones who've screwed things up so badly. If the people have any sense, they'd let their frustration known in those races.

But, like this forum, too many people have so incomplete an understanding of how this Republic functions (when it does function) that they think one person makes the difference.

By: yogiman on 10/2/12 at 5:36

After 4 years of nothing, if Obama is re-elected, Romney should ask for a re-count and insist they take all of the dead people's votes out of the file.

By: yogiman on 10/2/12 at 5:39

Obama running for re-election is just one more lie he has said. Remember him saying if he didn't bring the budget under control he would be a one term president? That was obviously another lie... which he is good at giving.

By: gdiafante on 10/2/12 at 5:44


By: yogiman on 10/2/12 at 5:45

You're right, gdiafante, congress is accepting orders instead of suggestions today. We need a complete turnover in DC this election. We need to put an "old" congress back in there whose members are working for us instead of being our bosses.

By: yogiman on 10/2/12 at 5:46

Turning it on or off, gdiaf@rte?

By: gdiafante on 10/2/12 at 5:48


By: bfra on 10/2/12 at 5:48


By: Ask01 on 10/2/12 at 5:52

The Republicans are steering the bus, and if they continue their juvenile pout because they didn't win the last election, they will be the party responsible for running over the cliff.

So long as they are spring loaded to say "No" to any proposal President Obama presents purely to say "No," the national bus will continue to careen down the mountain with no brakes.

The party of "NO" cannot acknowledge they are accumulating tremendous amounts of bad press as they stubbornly refuse to cooperate in stimulating job creation, thereby increasing taxes and moving people off welfare and government aid roles.

Sadly, as much as I believe one party having total control is a very, very bad idea, the situation, with parties refusing to compromise, has deteriorated to the point no meaningful action will be forthcoming until one party has veto proof majorities.

I have to say, considering the mean spirited persona projected by the Republicans and the lack of compassion for those unemployed by corporate greed, I must hope for a Democratic sweep this election cycle, and perhaps the next two also, so we can repair the middle class and bring jobs home to America.

By: yogiman on 10/2/12 at 6:09

I must say I'm glad you children have clicked me off. Now I can say whatever I want to about my thoughts and you can't say I insulted your intelligence which you obviously don't have much of.

So may I point out the democrats were in power when the jobs started going overseas, Ask01.

And Barry Soetoro aka Barack Obama is no more eligible for that office today than he was in 2008.

By: bfra on 10/2/12 at 6:13


By: gdiafante on 10/2/12 at 6:17


Ask, don't expect a sweep. Unless the majority party has a super majority, the other side will filibuster anyway. That's the new norm in Washington.

By: yogiman on 10/2/12 at 6:25

You forgot to click it off after you completed your sentence, gdiaf@rte. Is that the norm on the NCP?

By: bfra on 10/2/12 at 6:30


By: Loner on 10/2/12 at 6:36

Good morning, Nashville.

The Topic: In the midst of an election cycle, Congress and the president must carve out a plan of attack to avoid tax increases this January. How do you think they should act? What should be done? And how well do you think they'll be able to work together to accomplish such a task?

Congress created this ticking time-bomb of austerity....the specter of across-the-board cuts in services and simultaneous increases in across-the-board taxation was supposed to effectively motivate Congress to act with fiscal responsibly. The plan did not work.

This nation can no longer delude itself, the Bush tax cuts have been in effect for some twelve years now....all that revenue foregone was never recouped, by way of a flourishing, reduced-tax economy, as the Republicans claimed it would be....Reaganomics & Trickle-down have failed to deliver as advertised.

In addition to massive revenues foregone, the US has simultaneously engaged in two expensive Holy Wars; one of which still drags on. This unnecessary drain on our dwindling resources and increased entitlement payouts have increased the national debt to dangerous levels...our national credit rating has taken hits.

Neither party has the guts to increase taxes and cut spending...something necessary but painful.....so they set-up this ticking time bomb....to do the dirty work.

The public has been kept largely in the dark about this situation....the major parties and the media have failed to do their jobs....we are now going to suffer the consequences of delusion.

By: bfra on 10/2/12 at 6:47

One way to help, would be cut the enormous salaries every member of Congress receives and eliminate ALL of the unwarrantied perks they also receive. The salaries of politicians has gone so far over the top. This would not solve the problems, but it sure would be a step to help.

By: Loner on 10/2/12 at 6:52

If and when President Obama is re-elected, he will be on the hot seat when the revenue bomb goes off...the masses will blame the POTUS, not Congress, because the right-wing media will spin it that way....Obama's popularity rating will plunge...he'll be the scapegoat. Four years of hateful bickering, finger-pointing and gridlock will follow...that and more Holy War, of course.....by 2016, the union of American states could be a shaky one....a polarized nation, broke and increasingly desperate....but still in denial.

By: Rasputin72 on 10/2/12 at 6:52

A "fiscal cliff" of some type is without a doubt going to hit everyone in the United States sometime in the next 5 to 8 years,maybe on the outside 10 years.

The only certainty that I am ;positive about is that the 47% will take the hardest hit as they should.

By: Loner on 10/2/12 at 6:58

Bfra, sounds good, but if we cut the politician's salaries, the special interests will be happy to step in and make up the difference.

These elected federal officials spend much more on their re-elections than they make in salary...they are in it for the prestige and power, not a government pay-check.

By: Ummm... on 10/2/12 at 6:58

Rasputin, you bigoted, morally bankrupt monk, perhaps you'd like to expound upon the "certainties" which you're not "positive" about? Moron...

By: yogiman on 10/2/12 at 7:02

If the taxes were spent only for their original reason, our taxes would be more than plentiful.

Where,in the Constitution, did they make us the guardians of the world, or at least have step-children of other nations? Why are we donating to England, Egypt, and many other countries of the world. And how many of them are our "friends and neighbors"?

By: bfra on 10/2/12 at 7:05

Loner - Of course it won't happen, but make it illegal for them to accept "special interest" money & stop corporations from buying politicians. As I noted, it won't happen, but some of these monies should already be considered illegal.

By: bfra on 10/2/12 at 7:05


By: yogiman on 10/2/12 at 7:08

bad f@rt repeating again (bfra),

You need to learn to click your on and off button on and off. Sheech

By: Loner on 10/2/12 at 7:10

Reform is hopeless, so long as we allow the major parties, the PACs, and the Super PACs to pump hundreds of millions into the electoral process....that is the root of the evil in our system of governance....something the Founders never envisioned and therefore never addressed in the Constitution.

The major media in this country are making huge amounts of money off of this perversion of democracy, so don't expect the media to blow the whistle on any of this....they are accomplices to the crime.

Here are some of the major problems, IMO:

1. Too much money in politics....of course, the major media would disagree on that.
2. Special interests, not the public interests control the major parties and their candidates.
3. Gerrymandering...it is a vital aid to incumbents.
4. The voter suppression aspect of the Electoral College system.

By: bfra on 10/2/12 at 7:11


By: bfra on 10/2/12 at 7:12

Loner - Special interest money is just a politicians name for "bribe".

By: yogiman on 10/2/12 at 7:21

bad f@rt repeating again (bfra),

You don't seem to be able to tell if you're on or off. May I make a suggestion? When you're "clicking in", hit your click button. When you finish showing your asininity, click it off when you leave that sentence (post). Okay? I'll know if you're reading or ignoring then.

By: yogiman on 10/2/12 at 7:24

Have fun, children. Y'all can click your on buttons on. I gotta go.

By: budlight on 10/2/12 at 7:28

By: Ummm... on 10/2/12 at 7:58
Rasputin, you bigoted, morally bankrupt monk, perhaps you'd like to expound upon the "certainties" which you're not "positive" about? Moron...

Rasp, have you ever noticed that when dems don't agree with you (collective you), that they start with the name calling? Perhaps they'd like to expound upon why they cant think of any type of rebuttal except name calling? Talk about juvenile delinquents!

Hey Yogi. As usual the crowd is hostile and playing their childish game of "shunning". Kind of like the Amish. Be careful, they'll send someone to cut off your hair next. I kind of wish these clowns on this site could be tried for their "hate" antics (aka crimes) towards you and others they disagree with.

LOL. My brother is still trying to get me to come around to his point of view on Obama. He has now declared that my dad, his 2 sons and himself were in the military and Mitt Romney avoided the military. WELL, Obama was not even in the boy scouts, unless you can say that camping with his muslim bros when he was little and learning mohammed stuff counts as military experience. LOL

Hey bfra and G, stop being mean to Yogi. Ya'll couldn't hold a candle to him in a real debate.

By: Loner on 10/2/12 at 7:29

True that, Bfra....a bribe, by any other name still stinks. Like the old adage says: "He who pays the piper, calls the tunes." US policy, both foreign and domestic, is then determined by the paymasters, not We the People.

This is a very good site...it documents who got what from whom:


Using Open Secrets databases, one can see how the tripartite coalition of Defense, Israel & Energy (DIE) control the US federal government.....nobody can stand up to the combined pressure of the DIE triad; not even a Nobel Peace Prize winning POTUS.

Defense provides the muscle, Israel supplies the "good reasons" and Energy supplies the real reasons....that's why we are engaged in these Holy Wars in the Middle East and in Afghanistan......and now Iran is in the DIE cross-hairs. And still, some wonder why the US is hated in much of the world....let's take a look in the mirror.

By: Loner on 10/2/12 at 7:33

Budlight wrote: "Hey bfra and G, stop being mean to Yogi. Ya'll couldn't hold a candle to him in a real debate."

Possibly the most asinine comment of the year?

By: Ummm... on 10/2/12 at 7:37

brainedlight, what would you call someone who is unable to express himself without being stupidly redundant? I would call him a moron, and did. As for the rest of your tripe-filled nonsense, you need to remember that it isn't the NCP posters you need to worry about when it comes to forced haircuts- that is Willard Romney's specialty.

By: Ummm... on 10/2/12 at 7:42

Yogi in a "real debate." The imagery is almost too much- luckily I was in between sips of coffee, or I might have had to buy a new keyboard.

By: gdiafante on 10/2/12 at 7:42

That's saying something, Loner. I admire the trolls sticking together like a booger on a finger.

But still...[click]

By: Captain Nemo on 10/2/12 at 7:42

The little p3 is enjoying Obama conceding, lol

Rasputin thinks it going to be the 47% that will be hit the hardest and he likes that idea. So the silly monk want military to be hit so he won't be effected.

Then bud spews her nasty vomit trying to sound superior. lol

Now if this troll want to do something to impress the rest of us, then grow up.

By: budlight on 10/2/12 at 7:43

"An audit by the Tennessee Comptroller of the Treasury’s office released Monday found that the state’s Board of Parole conducted arrest checks on more than 80 parolees who were deceased. In addition, the audit states that Board of Parole officers indicated that they had made contact with the dead individuals."

This is where the democrats get their registered voters . . . from the dead parole board list! LOL

Ummmm! Um-de-dumb-de sat on a wall; Um-de-dumb-de had a great fall. So Um-de-dumb-de hush up! You are about as light a brain as they come. At least Willard wasn't smoking dope and snorting lines like yo' boy O'drama was. I'm sure that part of the reason O'drama has ADD and can't remember what he promised (one term) is that he has brain damage from the dope he smoked.

So take your tripe-filled nonsense and put it where the sun shines - outside in the garden so it can fertilize your plants!

Yogi, if these parole officers have to see 60,000 people a year, then they must see 164 a day. Geeze, how many parole officers do we employ. And maybe the ones who see and connect with the dead should be fired.

By: Captain Nemo on 10/2/12 at 7:43

btw bud yogi is a liar and a coward.

Rasputin when do you want to meet?

By: gdiafante on 10/2/12 at 7:44


By: Loner on 10/2/12 at 7:45

Excellent come-back, Ummmm....indeed, Willard is the hair-cutting terrorist....not us innocent NCP posters....and the troll-shunning is not mean-spirited, it is a defense mechanism....we are trying to preserve the integrity of this posting community.

Many of us have tried to reason with our resident troll, but to no avail...he is an unreasonable man.

Yogiman is the posting equivalent of a braying jack-ass, a bitter old man who is obsessed with the President's Birth Certificate...a supreme sore-loser and white supremacist....such a poster deserves to be shunned.


By: budlight on 10/2/12 at 7:46

So the silly monk want military to be hit so he won't be effected.

This is not a complete thought. Oh yeah, it is a complete thought coming from a 3 year old!

And that would be "affected" nemroid! And I believe you meant to say "wants"

effect vs affect - look it up. Or I could be wrong.

Yogi, have a nice day.

By: Captain Nemo on 10/2/12 at 7:47

Ummm I call that person a budlight.

By: Captain Nemo on 10/2/12 at 7:48

Those are some of the 47% bud, you goofball.

By: Ummm... on 10/2/12 at 7:49

brainedlight, maybe you can clear something up for me. I know that his grandpa wasn't running from military service when he was forced to take up residence in Mexico, he went so he could evade the law against multiple marriages. So my question is, just how many grandmothers does Willard have?

By: budlight on 10/2/12 at 7:50

A new survey of physicians shows that if the Presidential election were held today, 55 percent would vote for Mitt Romney and 36 percent would support President Obama, according to a survey conducted byJackson & Coker, a division of Jackson Healthcare, the third largest healthcare staffing company in the US.

Read more on Newsmax.com: Survey: Doctors Support Romney Over Obama 55 to 36%

Hmmmm; Sounds like the medical community is waking up.

Nemroid: hush up; go back and sit in your little potty chair.

By: Captain Nemo on 10/2/12 at 7:50

I just finished up my work in New Johnsonville and now I am headed back.