Up for Debate: Bill Nye on creationism

Wednesday, August 29, 2012 at 12:37am

Bill Nye, "the science guy," has weighed in on teaching creationism and denying evolution to children in a YouTube video. Do you agree or disagree with the points he makes?

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By: pswindle on 8/29/12 at 12:19

Children can be taught creationsim in Sunday School, but let teachers teach evolution in science class.

By: dargent7 on 8/29/12 at 4:56

Anyone who wants to "deny Evolution to children in school" should be stripped of his title as, "the science guy".
Maybe he thinks the story of Adam & Eve is romantic and all the animal species on Earth came from Noah's Ark?
Give him a new title, "The Nut-Case Guy".

By: gdiafante on 8/29/12 at 5:09

Um...darge...he doesn't want to deny that, he's complaining about Creationism being taught instead of evolution...

By: gdiafante on 8/29/12 at 5:18

I completely agree with Nye. I'm a science guy, I still have a hard time with the fact that in the 21st century, there is a growing number of people who still believe the Earth is 6000 years old. It just makes no sense.

And this is being taught to children...unbelievable. I agree with pswindle, if you're going to peddle your bedtime stories, do it in church, not science class.

By: Ummm... on 8/29/12 at 5:44

Who is peddling the "creationism" bs? Oh, that's right, it's the Teapublicans- the same folks who are the climate-change deniers. Science must be a liberal plot...

By: dargent7 on 8/29/12 at 5:54

Oh, my God. Did I MISS-read the question.
Too much brown acid at Woodstock.
I caught "Yogi-itus Syndrome".
Reverse everything I said.

By: gdiafante on 8/29/12 at 6:00

Speaking of science, looks like NO is getting slammed. Just part of that liberal conspiracy to steal Mitt's thunder...

These peope are crazy. I can't believe so many nuts buy into this stuff.

By: Rasputin72 on 8/29/12 at 6:12

If someone believes that the wealthy 1% in this country have created all of the problems in the United States then by all means creation should be taught in conjunction with evolution and "Muslims I have met while at the Church of Christ."

By: Moonglow1 on 8/29/12 at 6:24

Moonglow1; I believe in creationism too.

Educate our workforce in science and math to compete globally for jobs. One reason jobs are outsourced is because we don't have the engineers and other professions needed for today's jobs. Our people are behind 8-10 countries in education and our universities are falling behind. American exceptionalism: no, not anymore.

Instead of having a dialogue regarding education and jobs, Nye and other yahoos like him (Tea P Nuts) are spewing nonsense and taking this country back to the Neandrethal Age.

Once their (The Tea P Nuts) goal has been accomplished and our people are back to living like Neandrethals, then Nye can see creationism first hand-up close and personal. Dumb nut.

By: gdiafante on 8/29/12 at 6:36

Again, and read this slowly...

NYE IS SAYING THAT EVOLUTION SHOULD BE TAUGHT

Jeez...

By: gdiafante on 8/29/12 at 6:41

Raspy, there are only two entities that can be blamed if the system is a top-down program...the government and the top.

Why, you ask? Because the government established the supply-side policy and those who were to reinvest to stimulate the economy (that's supposed to "trickle" down, no?) have not done so.

Do you disagree with this?

By: global_citizen on 8/29/12 at 6:49

darg, once again you show no reluctance to post an opinion despite being wrong on the facts. You might want to examine this habit.

The problem with creationism is the problem with Christianity. Christians don't want to admit that it's nothing more than an story, what started as an oral tradition and written down at some point. Christians won't admit (and almost seem programmed to deny) that the bible was written by men, that it is not divinely inspired and that it is neither infallible nor historically accurate.

Christians deny evolution because that would mean admitting they don't believe in the divine inspiration of the bible. They would rather believe in, and try to defend, nonsense.

By: gdiafante on 8/29/12 at 6:58

I wonder (honestly), do those who believe in creation also believe that Jonah lived in the belly of a whale?

Do they believe that there will literally be four horsemen coming from the four corners of the Earth? Do they think the Earth has corners?

Do they believe that Noah really had two of every living thing on the ark?

You have to suspend disbelief in order to believe, if that makes sense...that's what faith is...suspension of disbelief...so if you can believe in an omnipotent being that controlled everything from day one, it shouldn't be that much of stretch to think the other stuff happened...literally...which is why this seems absurd on so many levels, IMO.

Then again, quantum entanglement was once described by Einstein as "Spooky action at a distance" and we know the equations for this to be supported by experiment after experiment...

By: govskeptic on 8/29/12 at 7:01

Love all these questioning having nothing to do directly with the city, but
argumentative ones that sounds like they come from Mike Burch. I
watched the video, and this mostly self described and backed by Semane
Street- Science Guy is preaching. Stating: you parents can believe anything
you wish, but don't deny your children the teaching of evolution. Of course,
that's the only thing he wants them taught with no other possibilities.
In short he states: Parents are stupid and have silly beliefs-listen to your
teachers who will teach you the NYE facts of creation. And the Public
Schools say Amen.

By: gdiafante on 8/29/12 at 7:26

I presume you mean "Sesame Street".

Of course he's preaching. He's frustrated because Creationism is not science. It should not be taught in schools, it should be reserved for church. It's not a complex idea I don't understand how people have a hard time comprehending this.

Then again, if you believe the Earth is 6000 years old, you would probably have a hard time with anything.

By: slacker on 8/29/12 at 7:28

The last two generations of students in public schools & colleges, have been indoctrinated with the liberalism for dummies handbook. Evolution is in chapter 2, right after kum-bah-yah political suggestions. I'm with the teach your religion in your church, and leave it out of public education crowd.

By: slacker on 8/29/12 at 7:31

I have underwear older than 6,000 years.

By: BenDover on 8/29/12 at 7:32

Bill is not saying leave creation in the church he's saying it's parental misconduct and should be stopped.

Bill's pushing a false dichotomy here. A minority of our population are practicing Christians and a minority of that group believe in literal creation as described in Genesis. Those who do believe in a biblical creation are as welcome to their views as the blind devotees to Darwinism are allowed to imagine an unplanned, unproven, uninterrupted progression to humanity since life supposedly bootstrapped itself out of the mud three and a half billion years ago.

Bill misses the point entirely when he said everyone has come to this country for its scientific advancements. On the contrary Bill, the country was founded based on religious freedom by people tired of being told by the authorities how they must worship and what they must believe. It is further flocked to, not by those seeking academic enlightenment, but instead seeking economic and personal liberty (academic enlightenment being a byproduct of these).

Bill you should stick to your shtick as a fun-loving science teacher; and leave the social and cultural development of our children and grandchildren to us.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 8/29/12 at 7:34

Oh, Ben....no wonder the U.S. is falling behind in technology! Geez, pretty soon our populous will be worthy of only the low paying jobs we outsource! And all those landscaping jobs that the "illegals" are stealing.

BTW, I was invited to the trial run for Etch last night. The food is friggin' amazing!

By: gdiafante on 8/29/12 at 7:38

Yeah, that's working so well Ben. By the way, I love your passive-aggressive approach. It fails, but nice try.

The fact is that the U.S. is failing in regards to science and math. There's a shortage of engineers and other technical professionals in this country, so we seek them from other countries. That has to change.

But, if they're going to want to teach creationism in school, they might as well add Santa and the Easter bunny as well. That won't be a school my children will attend.

By: Rasputin72 on 8/29/12 at 7:39

Gdiafante.....I do not disagree with your premise. I do disagree with the inference that the 1% are a part of the equation of failure. You have opened up an issue that is perhaps being debated in graduate school classrooms as I type.

I speak for myself as an entrepreneur and I think for a majority of people like myself. I will only invest if I think that I can be returned a profit. What the government left out of the equation was that the United States was no longer the central figure in the world economy. The post WWII years are over. There are other countries competing for world commerce. Let us say that you are the CEO of a company that makes electric can openers. You have 44% of the market in the United States. Your biggest customers are WAL-MART & SEARS. You are selling to these companies 500,000 units a year The price that you are selling at is $8.45 cents. Let us say the year is 1993. In 1994 your sales have dropped to 425,000 units. Your Sales Manager explains that WAL-MART is selling a Chinese or South American or Taiwanese unit exactly like ours for $4.25 cents. This is allowing WAL-MART to reduct their selling price to X and yet hold on to their gross margin. The customers are buying more of the cheaper units. They are not cutting us off, they are only letting the consumer choose.

By 1996 the volume has dropped to 250,000 units. The difference is labor cost and taxes and insurance and etc that the foreign based manufacturer does not face. The only option is for you as the CEO is to take those dollars that the government has allowed you and to invest in plant and facilities in countries that allows you to have a competitve electric can opener. You close the unionized plant in McMinnville,Tn or Maysville, Kentucky and move to Ecuador or wherever.

That is the equation that has eliminated the middle jobs that were the ballast of this country. It was you and I buying cheaper products that drove the trickle down theory into its present state. In the meantime Lawyers,Doctors,Hospitals and every other specialty skill jobs and commodity that could raised prices. Wages for the middle class were pushed down or frozen or eliminated.

Now the problem of middle class can be solved as soon as the wages at WAL-MART & McDonalds & Burger King and Target can reach the same level as the equivalent wages of factory employees in the United States during the 1960's. These wages and the benefits and pensions must also revert to those of the 60's and 70's.

Now the problem as I see it is how does this happen and what would happen if a McDonalds hamburger were $10.00 Would you sell as many? What is going to trigger the first wage increase?

Don't think that personal greed is the only thing that triggered the demise of the middle class. I firmly believe the trickle down theory had merit at one time. You must remember that the floor supervisor at WAL-MART in Harriman,Tennessee is just as capable of making decisions as our elected Congressman & Senators. THERE IS THE PROBLEM OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. The gilded fraternity is not the 1% it is the fraternity of Senators & Congressman.

By: Kosh III on 8/29/12 at 7:44

"the country was founded based on religious freedom by people tired of being told by the authorities how they must worship and what they must believe."

This is exactly what the GOP/right is doing: demanding that the coercive power of the state be used to compel conformity to their religious OPINION.
Creationism= religious opinion
Marriage is only one man and one woman: opinion, not even supported by religion; Abraham married his SISTER, David had 8 wives and one husband.

They ignore the true practice of religion:
""Then the righteous will answer him, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?' "The King will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.' Mt 25: 37ff

By: BenDover on 8/29/12 at 7:47

"But, if they're going to want to teach creationism in school, they might as well add Santa and the Easter bunny as well. That won't be a school my children will attend."

That's a strawman defense of Nye; and not what he is saying at all.

He's saying that parents shouldn't teach their children creation as described in the bible (and, by extension, sending them to church is an affront to science). I really don't think it's any of his business and taking a look around at how well the world of secularization of public education is working; I argue the empirical evidence speaks against the ban on the bible in the public arena and not for it.

By: gdiafante on 8/29/12 at 7:48

So, rasp, the problem isn't the U.S., it's cheap labor abroad. In other words, we can't compete unless we either raise them to our standards or lower ours to theirs.

The only way we can compete is through trade agreements, which seems to indicate a protectionism slant, no?

By: gdiafante on 8/29/12 at 7:55

That's not a straw man, Ben, and that particular statment has nothing to do with Nye, it's my personal belief. If a public school teaches Creationism, my child won't attend. Period. I object to a publicly funded school teaching a fairy tale as fact.

I don't give a damn if parents teach their children Creationism, that and church is where it should be taught, not school.

This is no different than a bible thumper putting their children in a private Christian school because they object to evolution being taught.

By: BenDover on 8/29/12 at 7:56

Write your own bible if you want Kosh but you can't just redefine all of society's social and cultural institutions at your whim. To engage in such moral relativism is to invite chaos and anarchy because everyone will demand equal countenance for their own whims.

By: Rasputin72 on 8/29/12 at 7:59

Gdiafante......Protectionism is very dangerous. Maybe and Maybe not!

By: BenDover on 8/29/12 at 8:00

People educated in a Christian culture of our 40's and 50's put a man on the moon with slide rules, gd.

People educated in the post-secular ACLU '90s and '00s educational environment can't compete for jobs against illiterate, penniless immigrants from Mexico who can't even speak our language.

By: BenDover on 8/29/12 at 8:03

"This is no different than a bible thumper putting their children in a private Christian school because they object to evolution being taught."

That is not the argument Nye is making. He's saying that parents should not teach their children creationism... and that when they do they are destroying the country.

Watch the video again if you don't believe it.

By: gdiafante on 8/29/12 at 8:05

The generation that put a man on the moon did not believe the Earth was 6000 years old Ben. They believed the equations of Einstein as well. You can believe in God and science, they aren't mutually exclusive.

Talk about a straw man...

By: gdiafante on 8/29/12 at 8:06

Jesus Christ Ben, how many times do I have to tell you that I'm not referring to Nye, I'm giving you my own beliefs?

Talk about thick...

By: BenDover on 8/29/12 at 8:07

That's the case I've been making all day, gd. It's Nye who's saying they are exclusive.

By: slacker on 8/29/12 at 8:13

This is beginning to sound like an Emily Litella skit.

By: BenDover on 8/29/12 at 8:13

You can't "completely agree with Nye" and be OK with 'peddling your bedtime stories at Church'; because Nye is against peddling bedtime stories about creation to your kids.

By: gdiafante on 8/29/12 at 8:17

And I certainly understand his point of view, Ben. As I've said, Creationism is a fairy tale. Though parents certainly have the right to teach that to their kids, I can see why he would object. But I think if it's going to be taught at all, it should be at home or church.

If a parent wanted to teach their children that monkeys can fly, by all means do so. But then don't complain when the kid turns out to be an idiot.

By: global_citizen on 8/29/12 at 8:20

Ben, if someone's sincerely held religious belief is that the moon is made of cheese, is that something that should be respected and allowed to be considered in school? Or would we expect a teacher to refute that with something a little more scientific?

By: BenDover on 8/29/12 at 8:20

So you do not completely agree with Nye?

By: BenDover on 8/29/12 at 8:23

Is anyone willing to condemn Nye for overstepping his boundaries by telling parents how to raise their children?

By: global_citizen on 8/29/12 at 8:25

People educated in a Christian culture of our 40's and 50's put a man on the moon with slide rules, gd.

People educated in the post-secular ACLU '90s and '00s educational environment can't compete for jobs against illiterate, penniless immigrants from Mexico who can't even speak our language.

Wow, that's the most disjointed and nonsensical attempt at correlation that I've ever seen.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 8/29/12 at 8:26

Nye is not allowed to have an opinion too???

By: Blanketnazi2 on 8/29/12 at 8:26

second that, global.

By: global_citizen on 8/29/12 at 8:33

People educated in the post-secular ACLU '90s and '00s educational environment can't compete for jobs against illiterate, penniless immigrants from Mexico who can't even speak our language.

I may not be able to put a man on the moon, but I'd like to see an illiterate person try do my job (nevermind a Mexican immigrant, however that might be relevant). So I assert that your premise if flawed. You sound like just another curmudgeon who likes to hear himself complain about how the world is going to s*** these days. Yawn.

By: Kosh III on 8/29/12 at 8:37

BD:
"Write your own bible if you want Kosh "
EVERYthing I posted was directly from the Bible, not from me. Maybe you should go to the attic, dust off your King/Queen James Bible and read it sometime.
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I'd like these theocratic fascists who blather about the Bible being "inerrant and infallible" to stop being such hypocrites. You heard all the lies about gay people but total silence about things like Abraham and Sarah committing incest, or "I hate divorce, says the Lord" Hg 2:16. Even Romney won't admit that polygamy is the most prevalent form of marriage in the Bible.

As to the thread, Mr Nye is entitled to his opinion that parents do grave harm to their children by teaching them fantasies instead of facts. They are free to do so, but it's consequences are dire.

By: gdiafante on 8/29/12 at 8:39

I completely agree with Nye. It is detrimental to society to teach children fairy tales as fact. I detest the fact that this is happening in a modern society.

I also understand that it's not realistic, so the only thing I can personally hope for is that these ridiculous practices are limited to the home and church.

Does that help your pointy little head?

By: Kosh III on 8/29/12 at 8:40

" but I'd like to see an illiterate person try do my job"

Ditto. Ben, Rasp or Yogi couldn't do my highly technical job no matter how hard they tried. And I AM a product of public schools and TSU.

By: BenDover on 8/29/12 at 8:41

I was just pointing out that there's much more to life than academic education.

And our public education system teaching tolerance as life's only virtue has not served society as well as many may have hoped. It's a failed experiment evident by the empirical results.

By: rawhide on 8/29/12 at 8:43

I think he should be called "Bill Nye the Fallacy Guy."

By: Blanketnazi2 on 8/29/12 at 8:48

uh, doesn't the Bible teach tolerance as well? At least the New Testament?

By: Blanketnazi2 on 8/29/12 at 8:50

Ben, there is much more to life than academic education but that should be pursued outside of school!

By: rawhide on 8/29/12 at 8:50

My kids know all about "Evolution" . . . even the GLARING weaknesses in it. It is ironic to me that so many "deny" or ignore the scientific facts because the facts don't comport with their world view . . . I'm talking to you evolutionists. What are you afraid of? Nye's handwringing is laughable . . . my kids are doing very well in science and math and things that will allow them to be engineers. And my kids are learning a precious skill: critical thinking. Nye's demagoguery won't promote that.