Up for Debate: BMI v. Pandora

Friday, July 12, 2013 at 1:04am

On which side of the BMI v. Pandora  do you fall?

Filed under: City Voices

128 Comments on this post:

By: BenDover on 7/12/13 at 9:30

So hostile... you remind me of the Zimmerman judge gd.

By: gdiafante on 7/12/13 at 9:31

Someone get Ben a pacifier...

By: yogiman on 7/12/13 at 10:13

Good little show, gdiafante. Tell me, have you ever wondered why Barry lied so much to get elected when he [[gave his word] the office would be open to the public more than it ever was before? That everything would be presented to the public (yeah, we the people) for several days before he would accept it?

Haven't you been able to figure out how big of a liar he is?

And by the way, I'm still trying to figure out how an Indonesian citizen can become a natural born American citizen and become our president. Can you give me an answer?

By: BenDover on 7/12/13 at 10:25

My bet is that the Jury room turns into an episode of The View and they convict the gun [by proxy of Zimmerman] to life in prison... 'life' in the same sense that he'll live about as long as Jeffrey Dahmer did when he was placed into the general prison population.

By: budlight on 7/12/13 at 10:38

Did anyone read about Eric Holder (Justice Dept) sending people down to help "protest" when the police originally did not charge Zimmerman with anything due to lack of evidence pointing to a crime? Then Jessie the preacher Jackson and Al (Tawana Brawley) Sharpton chimed in and stirred up the protests making it a racial issue, calling Zimmerman WHITE?

Listen people, it can happen to any of you. Just accidentally run over a black person on Murfreesboro Road. You'll be dragged from your cars and beaten to death. Our country is in mob-violence mode.

The judge is this trial is hugely biased and it shows in her demeanor, actions and body language.

George Zimmerman was on the ground, head being hit on to the pavement and he said he feared for his life. That is a very subjective event - FEAR! No one can determine what makes fear for another person. On man's fear is another man's thrill!

But the detective in the case said he believed Zimmerman and he had no reason to lie. The kid was a thug, but that information was withheld from the jury.

AND PLEEEEZE ANSWER THIS QUESTION: Zimmerman called the police. If the thuggist kid was SOOOOO afraid, why did he call his girlfriend and chit chat about the Crazy Ass Cracker instead of simply dialing 911?

Answer: Because he knew he was not afraid and he knew he was going to kick the ass of the Crazy Ass Cracker?

By: yogiman on 7/12/13 at 11:05

BenDover,

Have you seen the picture of Trayvon Martin as a 17 year old, 6'2" 75 pound young man? He sure as hell ain't the 12 year old child the news has been showing. I forget the news media, but the 17 year old man's picture was being shown until Obama put the DOJ into the race issue.

The Sanford police had already determined the issue before Barry got into the picture and said if he had a son he would be like Trayvon.

You know the old saying; like father, like son. It looks like he was thinking of Trayvon as his stepson and he had to prosecute his killer. Not that his 'son' being on top of a man beating the hell out of him mattered.

Why has this case been such a nation wide media output? Why don't we hear anything bout murders in Chicago... or Detroit... or DC? Could it just be because they are everyday events in those places and aren't newsworthy?

By: gdiafante on 7/12/13 at 11:12

And they say racism is dead...

By: yogiman on 7/12/13 at 11:29

It ain't even close, gdiafante. I doubt if you will ever live to see it.

Especially as long as they have "pastors" like Sharpton and Jackson and a president like Barack Obama.

By: budlight on 7/12/13 at 11:41

G, how do you get racism out of this? The only one who mentioned race was Trayvon? He said "Creepy ass cracker" referring to George who is Black/white/hispanic. He has a black grandfather (great, I think) and white, as well as mostly hispanic.

Bingo Yogi. I just had a revelation. When Trayvon was talking to his girlfriend who testified, when she heard the yelling, why didn't she hang up and call 911?

WHY? Because she thought her beau was beating the crap out of George. Or else why didn't she immediately call 911? Or immediately call Trayvon's mommie and daddy?

AND why didn't Trayvon call mommie or daddy who lived close by? Or call 911? Cause he knew he could beat zimmerman in a fight, but probably didn't count on zimmerman being armed.

Racist? I think not. Realist! You bet!

By: yogiman on 7/12/13 at 11:54

Good to "hear" from you, budlight.

Isn't it odd that you hear more about black rebellions and riots than you do about white rebellions and riots?

Doesn't it make sense the white Americans could control the black Americans right up to the peak of the mountain when we out number them (roughly) 87 to 13?

Question: How many racist issues do you hear today from black Americans? How many do you hear from African-Americans?

By: gdiafante on 7/12/13 at 11:56

The level of ignorance on display here is staggering. Frankly, it's embarrassing. I'm embarrassed that in the 21st century, people still think and behave like yogi and bud.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 7/12/13 at 12:02

Indeed it is, g. But they're not racist, you know.

http://www.billpressshow.com/2012/03/23/wheres-the-outrage-over-trayvon-martin/

Martin was walking and carrying only an iced tea and a bag of candy. Zimmerman was driving his car and armed with a 9-millimeter handgun. Martin weighed 140 pounds. Zimmerman weighs 250 pounds. Martin had no criminal record. Zimmerman was charged in July 2005 with resisting arrest with violence and battery on an officer. Plus, as reported in the Miami Herald, neighbors reported that Zimmerman was “fixated on crime and focused on young, black males.” He’d called police 46 times since January 2011 to report similar “suspicious activity.”

By: gdiafante on 7/12/13 at 12:11

If you believe that Zimmerman was justified in "standing his ground", why do you not believe that Martin was doing the same, having been followed by an armed man?

It doesn't matter what the jury decides, this isn't going to end well.

By: bfra on 7/12/13 at 12:12

gdiafante - You really summed up troll posts to a tee. They just keep getting dumber & never bother with facts or proof.

By: yogiman on 7/12/13 at 12:19

You're entitled to your way of thinking, gdiafante. I certainly aren't trying to change it. I'm simply trying to get you to look at the facts. But I guess you aren't interested in them.

And B2, it looks like you got your information from a different source than I. When did Trayvon go from 140 pounds to the 175 I read about?

Tell me, have you seen any picture that young man other than that 12 year old child that was constantly shown?

The one I saw before it was taken "out of the picture" sure wasn't of a sweet young boy.

Can you explain why our national government stepped into that case?

By: bfra on 7/12/13 at 12:22

Yes on the picture of Trayvon & he was less that 6' brainless blob, something like 5' 7" or 5" 8".

By: Blanketnazi2 on 7/12/13 at 12:25

Yeah, no matter what this isn't going to end well.

By: gdiafante on 7/12/13 at 12:26

Focusing on pictures the media used are not facts of the case.

The fact is that Zimmerman shot Martin, who was unarmed. Did Martin "beat the hell" out of Zimmerman. Yep. Was he provoked? Yep. Should ZImmerman have taken the advice of the authorities and not pursued/instigated the situation? Yep.

I suppose in your mind two wrongs make a right. In this case it's nothing but a tragedy that could have been completely avoided and has become a political and media frenzy.

As I said, regardless of the decision, it's not going to end well.

By: yogiman on 7/12/13 at 12:30

You're right on one issue, gdiafante. None of us knows what went on that night. And yes, every man has the right to "take care" of himself. So who approached who and who swung the first punch? Only Zimmerman actually knows.

If it was Trayvon who started the fight, he apparently didn't know Zimmerman was armed. Would that have changed his mind if he was the aggressor? We don't know. Just think of the days when you was a 17 year old kid. Would you have turned and run?

Again, look into the facts that have been presented. Like who called 911. Who called his girlfriend? If she heard the yelling, why was he on line with her with the fight going on?

Let's just hope Zimmerman gets a fair decision.
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By: Blanketnazi2 on 7/12/13 at 12:31

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2012/images/05/17/martin.autopsy.pdf

This is a record of the autopsy from the Medical Examiner. Trayvon was 5'11 and weighed 158. He was of medium build.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 7/12/13 at 12:34

Zimmerman's height is reportedly 5′7″ (1.70 m); and his weight is recorded as being 185 lb (84 kg) on his Seminole County Sheriff's Office Inmate Booking Information dated April 11, 2012, the date of his arrest. Zimmerman's height is shown as 5′8″ (1.73 m); and his weight at 200 lb (91 kg) on the Sanford Police Department Offense Report for February 26, 2012, the night of the shooting.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Trayvon_Martin

By: Blanketnazi2 on 7/12/13 at 12:35

Fact: Zimmerman pursued and shot an unarmed kid. The police told him to back off and he didn't. No two ways around that.

By: bfra on 7/12/13 at 12:44

Facts already produced, Zimmerman was an over zealous wannabe cop & hadn't been able to make the grade. He was told not to follow Martin, which he ignored & the results are a 17 yr. old is dead, that shouldn't have been, if Zimmerman had followed orders.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 7/12/13 at 12:51

Most boys at 17 think they're bullet-proof and can protect themselves. Trayvon make the stupid mistake of trying to physically himself from someone who was following him and yelling out at him instead of running away or calling 911. He didn't deserve to be shot down for that. Zimmerman was the adult in the conflict - Martin was a 17 year old kid. An adult should've been the one using better judgement.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 7/12/13 at 12:52

s/h/b "physically defend himself."

By: gdiafante on 7/12/13 at 1:04

Trayvon make the stupid mistake of trying to physically himself from someone who was following him and yelling out at him instead of running away or calling 911. He didn't deserve to be shot down for that. Zimmerman was the adult in the conflict - Martin was a 17 year old kid. An adult should've been the one using better judgment.

This x1000

By: Blanketnazi2 on 7/12/13 at 1:09

Yep, exactly.

By: dargent7 on 7/12/13 at 1:27

It's good to have gD back in the fold...he's right, the Napster guy is still in prison :)?
I remember when Apple (computer) wanted to call themselves just that, even though The Beatles tm'd Apple Corp. It was allowed provided the computers didn't ever play any music...!!!
I don't know how it all litigated, but look how far we've come.
re: Analog...in the late 80's I had all Audio Research and Conrad-Johnson pre-amps and amps. Tubed, not resistor.
Vandersteen speakers, VPI and Sota (suction) turntables. ($1,200 ea.)
The freekin' ensomble cost me $20,000.
CD's were replacing the vinyls everywhere.
Now, it's all transistor and computer driven.
It's good enough for me, a 55 year old..

By: budlight on 7/12/13 at 1:35

Blanketnazi2 on 7/12/13 at 1:31
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2012/images/05/17/martin.autopsy.pdf

This is a record of the autopsy from the Medical Examiner. Trayvon was 5'11 and weighed 158. He was of medium build

Blanket, the courtroom testimony was that Martin was better developed and that Zimmerman was not able to beat him in hand to hand combat. He was younger and stronger. He was not a wimpy kid. Zimmerman was a wimpy adult.

BUT the bottom line is: Why didn't Martin's girlfriend call 911? Why didn't Martin call 911? She probably thought it was Martin kicking Zimmerman's butt in the last minutes of the call. IF SHE WAS SO CONCERNED, WHY DIDN'T SHE CALL 911?

By: Blanketnazi2 on 7/12/13 at 1:42

Maybe because they were stupid kids making the type of decisions stupid 17 year olds make? Why wasn't Zimmerman, the ADULT, making better decisions?

Are you implying that the medical examiners report is incorrect? For cryin' out loud....

By: Blanketnazi2 on 7/12/13 at 1:45

Even if Trayvon's girlfriend had called 911, he would've been dead before the police got there. It probably wouldn't have made any difference.

By: bfra on 7/12/13 at 1:45

bud - Did you not read how Zimmerman had been working out for serveral month, training to AGAIN take to test to be a cop? I haven't read that Martin had been working out & training. If you want to know about 911, why don't you ask Martin's girlfriend?

By: yogiman on 7/12/13 at 1:46

You guys seem to know more about what happened than I. But, what the hell, that's not unusual.

How did you find out Zimmerman ignored the officer that told him to back off? How did you find out he "shouted" at Trayvon.

Hell, how did you find out anything that wasn't given as news. Was I listening to the wrong channel or reading the wrong paper?

The numbers seem to change every day.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 7/12/13 at 1:47

bfra, that is correct. You have to take a physical test in order to be a cop. bud is trying to say that the Medical Examiner's report is not correct in stating Martin's build! For Christ's sake.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 7/12/13 at 1:48

yogi, it's all recorded on the 911 call. It's been all over the news. You are so freakin' uninformed!

By: yogiman on 7/12/13 at 1:56

The "conflict" occurred after Zimmerman told the policeman he was talking to that Trayvon and disappeared. Did Trayvon come up on Zimmerman's "backside" and punch him? The point that Zimmerman was the only one calling the police when it was pointed out Trayvon was talking to his girlfriend should question one as to who started the fight. Could it have been Trayvon trying to impress his girlfriend?

And isn't it odd the police are preparing for riots all over the USA if Zimmerman is found innocent?

Has this case taken so long to give them time to get set up all over the country?

By: bfra on 7/12/13 at 1:57

Blanket - I just cracked up when brainless blob posted his latest BS!

By: bfra on 7/12/13 at 2:04

OMG - I can't believe brainless blob has posted MORE BS! It's not just that he can't comprehend what he reads, he must not be able to understand what he hears or sees.

By: yogiman on 7/12/13 at 2:05

Don't bang your head on the floor when you fall laughing, bfra. Your brain is in as bad a shape as you can handle already.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 7/12/13 at 2:05

bfra, there's no point in trying to reason with idiots. It's a waste of time and energy. yogi and his "usurper" dementia loop gets really old.

By: bfra on 7/12/13 at 2:16

Blanket - "Odd" is putting it mild!

By: BenDover on 7/12/13 at 2:17

Actually what happened was the police asked Zimmerman "Which way is he running?" at which time Zimmerman got out to try to ascertain what they asked... When the Dispatcher then asked if he was following him, Zimmerman responded, "yeah", to which the dispatcher said, "We don't need you to do that" to which Zimmerman responded "OK". During the subsequent 2 minutes before the police arrive Zimmerman claims to have been returning to his vehicle when Martin approached him, confronted him, punched him in the face knocking him down and then proceeded with his ground and pound to teach the 'creepy ass cracker" a lesson in how it is in the hood. Then Zimmerman shot Martin in self defense.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 7/12/13 at 2:21

Sure, that's what Zimmerman claims but he has also been caught in lies. Zimmerman also had a record of profiling black kids in his neighborhood which is what he was doing that night when he was pursuing Martin. He had no business getting out of his vehicle and chasing him in the first place. And once again, Martin had no idea who this guy was who was following him around. Isn't he allowed to defend himself? I pointed out earlier that Martin was a 17 year old kid making 17 year old decisions. Zimmerman is an adult who used bad judgement and did not heed the advice to not pursue.

By: yogiman on 7/12/13 at 2:21

B2,

As I've posted before, just prove me wrong and I'll "get off your back". Why can't you explain to me how Barack Hussein Obama II was a natural born American citizen with a Kenyan British subject his father? And why can't you explain to me how he was eligible to become a natural born citizen when (or should I say if) the was sent to his grandparents when he was 10 years old? Has he ever become a naturalized American citizen?

By: Blanketnazi2 on 7/12/13 at 2:22

and the dementia loop continues.....

By: BenDover on 7/12/13 at 2:29

None of that makes Zimmerman guilty of murder or even manslaughter Blanket.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 7/12/13 at 2:30

Murder - probably not. Manslaugher - maybe.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 7/12/13 at 2:32

Voluntary Manslaughter

In most jurisdictions, voluntary manslaughter consists of an intentional killing that is accompanied by additional circumstances that mitigate, but do not excuse, the killing. The most common type of voluntary manslaughter occurs when a defendant is provoked to commit the Homicide. It is sometimes described as a heat of passion killing. In most cases, the provocation must induce rage or anger in the defendant, although some cases have held that fright, terror, or desperation will suffice.

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/manslaughter

By: Blanketnazi2 on 7/12/13 at 2:34

If adequate provocation is established, a murder charge may be reduced to manslaughter. Generally there are four conditions that must be fulfilled to warrant the reduction: (1) the provocation must cause rage or fear in a reasonable person; (2) the defendant must have actually been provoked; (3) there should not be a time period between the provocation and the killing within which a reasonable person would cool off; and (4) the defendant should not have cooled off during that period.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 7/12/13 at 2:36

Zimmerman was enraged and he did not receive an life threatening injuries. Martin was unarmed.