Up for Debate: Boy Scouts affirm ban on gays

Wednesday, July 18, 2012 at 1:41am

How do you feel about the Boy Scouts of America's affirmation on its ban against openly gay members? Is it a right, just and prudent decision, or should gays be allowed to join the organization?

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164 Comments on this post:

By: dargent7 on 7/18/12 at 5:18

Oh, boy. What are they going to say?
Just like Catholic preists. You cannot have "openly gay" anything.
Even waiters cannot "come out". NFL players, police, firemen, EMS.....
The only gay people allowed to "openly" be gay are interior designers or Vidal Sasson hair school graduates.
Even then they'd better watch their backs.

By: Ask01 on 7/18/12 at 5:50

The Boy Scouts are a private organization and can, as such, set the criteria for membership.

So long as they accept no funds from groups who dictate acceptance of openly gay citizens, using only private donations from those sharing their views, this is their business.

They of course, must accept the judgement of society for standing by their convictions. Just as public figures are free to express beliefs, but must also freely accept others expressing their beliefs, withdrawing support, or snubbing them openly.

The backlash against the Dixie Chicks comes readily to mind as an example. They freely expressed their opinion. Fair enough; people listened then expressed their opinions. The Dixie Chicks then whined about the reaction. Admittedly, threats of violence and mayhem were unwarranted, but the refusal to buy their products was a justified reaction, the result of people expressing their opinion.

I hope the scouting organization doesn't emulate the 'Chicks' reaction if the public withdraws support.

That would reflect badly on the stout, manly image they wish to present.

By: gdiafante on 7/18/12 at 6:12

Who cares?

Regarding the Dixie Chicks, when fans "boycott" someone because **gasp** they have an opinion that isn't lock step with their own, they show stupidity.

Example: I think that Ted Nugent is completely insane...but that would never make me stop listening to the fantasticmusic he's put out. I can separate the two.

I'm not saying they don't have the right to act that way, just that it is pretty dumb.

By: dargent7 on 7/18/12 at 6:21

This just in.....Gov. Haslam is under fire for hiring "openly gay people" AND A MUSLIM!
#2: Anyone who listens to Ted Nugent music is clinically insane. No offense, gD.
After his Amboy Dukes stint, "Journey to the Center of Your Mind" lead guitar work at 17, name ONE song he's put out that's worth the vinyl. "Cat Scratch Fever"? You kiddin' me?

By: gdiafante on 7/18/12 at 6:27

Stranglehold, Free-for-all, Writing on the Wall, Motor City Madhouse...

Shall I go on?

By: gdiafante on 7/18/12 at 6:31

Wand dang sweet poontang, Homebound, Wango Tango, Tailgunner...

By: ghost7638ghost7... on 7/18/12 at 6:36

Yes it is right, not to have homosexuals in the boy scouts like it is not right to have a rapist in the girl scouts. These people morals are in the toliet, they can trasport aids to the kids, and this is just a GREAT sin against God. If God would destroy Sodom and Gomorrah for the sin of homosexuality, do you want these people around your children???????? The media is a complete liar when they say that America accepts their way of life, MOST AMERICAN do not.

By: dargent7 on 7/18/12 at 6:38

gD: Maybe you've been hearing and playing too many KISS albums as of late.
Nugent stinks.
Motor City Madman? Try Bob Seger.

By: dargent7 on 7/18/12 at 6:43

I just read "ghost7638ghost7''s post. Can you believe these people walk among us?
And vote?
Any wonder why America is bankrupt, in the cellar for education, more murders than the whole earth combined, and spend all of our money "for defense", killing entire villages and societies that don't behave like we do or look like us?
Scared, little chicken shits.

By: gdiafante on 7/18/12 at 6:47

Ghost, you do realize that the Boy Scouts are only restricting openly or avowed homosexuals...so you you can still be a member if you keep your sexuality to yourself.

God man man in his own image...some men love men...does that mean that God has a gay streak?

I mean, there's the father, son and holy ghost...no mention of a woman...he avoided touching Mary during conception...Jesus was a single guy in his 30's that hung around 12 men...

Just wondering...

By: gdiafante on 7/18/12 at 6:52

Bob Seger can't shred, Darge. Call me crazy, I like virtuoso's...extended solos...give me Nuge's first three or four albums over anything currently out there. And yes, I've seen him live...of all the concerts I've been to (30 years worth), I still have one of his high notes ringing in my ears...it was that loud.

And I saw Metallica in the round...

I won't argue he's nuts, but I like the way he plays guitar.

By: gdiafante on 7/18/12 at 7:08

Going back to yesterday's discussion with Ben: I'm not alone...

http://www.tennessean.com/viewart/20120718/NEWS08/307180113/Most-Americans-oppose-unlimited-corporate-campaign-spending?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|FRONTPAGE

By: Captain Nemo on 7/18/12 at 7:15

When someone has a double ghost in there handle, doest that mean there is a hidden meaning to there true identity?

By: Captain Nemo on 7/18/12 at 7:19

While we are on the subject of music, have you heard Neil Young’s new CD? It is all foil songs. The only one I have heard so far is Old Susanna.

By: Captain Nemo on 7/18/12 at 7:27

gdia-

Most American aren’t Tea Bags.

By: dargent7 on 7/18/12 at 7:31

Seger's "Ramblin' Gamblin' Man" beats anything Nugent did.
Nugent is worse than J. Geils Band. With the exception of my wedding song, "Flamethrower".

By: gdiafante on 7/18/12 at 7:34

Seger bordered on easy listening at times. Not my cup of tea. I prefer my rock a little harder (that's what she said).

By: parnell3rd on 7/18/12 at 7:36

Really? This is the best topic CP can come up with? Besides it's not gay, it is HOMOSEXUAL.
KISS, and Uncle Ted rocks! I've seen them both many times in concert, But since Gene Simmons has come out of the closet and revealed that he voted for Oblunder. He will never see another dime from me.

By: parnell3rd on 7/18/12 at 7:38

FYI: Yogi will be here soon to reveal more on Obama your moma!!!!

By: gdiafante on 7/18/12 at 7:42

Say again, parnell? This time in English.

By: gdiafante on 7/18/12 at 7:43

Parnell's 7:36 post reinforces my earlier statement. lol

By: dargent7 on 7/18/12 at 7:47

Guy's: (any wonder why NO women post here?)....
Being "gay" is who you are. Any and every gay person I've known, knew they were "gay" at about 9 years old.
It's NOT a choice. It's NOT a personal decision.
It's the way you were born. Genetically. As in height,
No, I'm not gay, but watching Joe Namath in Super Bowl 3 made me think about crossing over. Just for the day.

By: Kosh III on 7/18/12 at 7:49

parnell just shows a lack of knowledge.
Gay has been used in the meaning of homosexual for centuries. Just because s/he doesn't know that doesn't make it wrong.

The first written attestation of the word gay as meaning homosexual was 1367.

The word homosexual was not created until the 1870s.

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The BS are a private group, they can restrict their membership if they wish, just like other private groups like the KKK or GOP.
However, when they do so, they betray the most basic concept of the USA: equality.

By: Rocket99 on 7/18/12 at 7:53

FYI! BSA has had and now probably has gay people in leadership positions. There have also been a multitude of gay scouts, several of which have gone all the way to Eagle scout. Them making this decision just shows their narrow minded view on the world.

Kids have enough to deal with growing up to not have to worry that they will be kicked out of what should be a great organization just because they were born gay. Being gay is no more of a choice than being straight.

Double ghost, you are an idiot. Just because someone is gay doesn't mean they spread AIDS. Your analagy of gays in boyscouts and rapists in Girl Scouts is just plain STUPID. You need to check with organizations like Nashville Cares and see which segment of the population has the largest number of people with AIDS.

By: Captain Nemo on 7/18/12 at 8:11

By: dargent7 on 7/18/12 at 7:47
Guy's: (any wonder why NO women post here?)....

My error, I thought budlight was a woman, dragging a Widescarper behind her. ;-0

By: Captain Nemo on 7/18/12 at 8:13

By: parnell3rd on 7/18/12 at 7:38
FYI: Yogi will be here soon to reveal more on Obama your moma!!!!

Translation; my big brother can beat you up.

By: BigPapa on 7/18/12 at 8:13

It's a private organization, they should be allowed to set their criteria for membership. How anyone can disagree with that is beyond me.

Should NAMBLA be forced to let in Catholic priests? Oh wait.... bad example.

By: Captain Nemo on 7/18/12 at 8:15

By: Kosh III on 7/18/12 at 7:49
parnell just shows a lack of knowledge.

I would think it closer to lack of knowledge.

By: Rasputin72 on 7/18/12 at 8:26

I for one could care less whether a person hauls coal in his mouth. However I can see that the Boy Scouts could be hurt greatly by openly accepting gays. Parents of hetrosexual children might believe that their child could be influenced into hauling coal in their mouths.

By: BenDover on 7/18/12 at 8:29

"Should NAMBLA be forced to let in Catholic priests? Oh wait.... bad example"... lmao BigPapa

By: BenDover on 7/18/12 at 8:33

Raspy, I must admit you've stumped me on that euphemism... but though I'm normally innately curious, I do NOT want an explanation.

By: Kosh III on 7/18/12 at 8:34

" see which segment of the population has the largest number of people with AIDS."

The vast majority of people with AIDS got it from penis/vagina intercourse. Over half of all people with AIDS are female.
More people in sub-Saharan Africa die of AIDS each year than have died in the US since 1981.
Facts, not hateful lies are here
http://www.unaids.org/globalreport/

By: BenDover on 7/18/12 at 8:35

The NAMBLA president, a Catholic priest and an Eagle Scout walk into a gay piano bar...

By: yogiman on 7/18/12 at 8:37

There's an old thought about keeping your eyes and ears open and your mouth shut. You learn so much more that way because more people will feel they can trust you.

And yes, I've known homosexuals ever since I can remember as a child. There was homosexuals in the services when I joined in 1947 but if they became open about it, they were given an "undesirable" discharge.

Then Bill Clinton came out with his "don't ask, don't tell" decision. Why? just to make a name for himself or because he was one? Homosexuality in service was pretty quit until them.

And now Barry Soetoro has come out with the open market for homosexuals. That will take a lot of good GIs out of service. I believe that is Barry's idea of killing our armed forces to make in an easier takeover for him.

Ladies and gentlemen, you had better wake up pretty damn soon unless you're a fellow communist with Barry Soetoro aka Barack Obama.

The evidence is coming on him more every day. But if you're a fellow communist, hang in there, you can be locked up with him.

By: BenDover on 7/18/12 at 8:37

Bartender says, "Marlon Brando, why you hang out with these promiscuity pikers?"...

By: BenDover on 7/18/12 at 8:39

Hey Yogi... Arpaio's on your birther story like white on rice.

By: gdiafante on 7/18/12 at 8:43

You don't have to straight to shoot straight.

-Barry Goldwater

By: gdiafante on 7/18/12 at 8:43

By: gdiafante on 7/18/12 at 8:44

I screwed that up...I'll try again...

You don't have to be straight to shoot straight.

-Barry Goldwater

By: yogiman on 7/18/12 at 8:45

I think you gentlemen (as I use the term loosely) should understand why the lack of having of ladies (women) on this site is because of the vulgar language so many of you "gentlemen" use in your [open to the public posts].

By: Captain Nemo on 7/18/12 at 8:47

By: yogiman on 7/18/12 at 8:37

There's an old thought about keeping your eyes and ears open and your mouth shut. You learn so much more that way because more people will feel they can trust you.

Translation; if I had done this when I was young as a child. I would not be an idiot today.

By: Captain Nemo on 7/18/12 at 8:48

I got my electric bill yesterday. It was close to 200 dollars. More than double the usual amount. But this has nothing to do with Global Warming. Lol

By: Beernazi on 7/18/12 at 8:49

The vulgarity doesn't bother me but the improper grammer does. yogi, do you know when to use "was" vs. "were"?

By: Captain Nemo on 7/18/12 at 8:51

By: yogiman on 7/18/12 at 8:45
I think you gentlemen (as I use the term loosely) should understand why the lack of having of ladies (women) on this site is because of the vulgar language so many of you "gentlemen" use in your [open to the public posts].

Translation; I wish I knew what the grownups were saying, then I would know what is going on.

By: gdiafante on 7/18/12 at 8:51

Ben, I think the sheriff just wants to keep attention away from all his other troubles, like unconstitutional jail conditions, racial profiling, abuse of power, election law violations, misuse of funds and obstruction of justice.

He's a multitasker.

By: Captain Nemo on 7/18/12 at 8:53

Blanket How you doing?

By: Beernazi on 7/18/12 at 8:54

Fine, Nemo. How are you? I'm trying to ignore the vulgar disregard of proper grammar this morning.

By: dargent7 on 7/18/12 at 8:56

No, "yogi" it's that they're just so sick and tired of your bullshit.
Vulgar language? Sure. We say bull***, F*** you, Holy sh**...etc.
But, your inane, incomprehensible horseshit, day in, day out, about Obama makes them puke. Everyone's sorry you're 85 and senile.
"You'll all thank me..." That's what Charles Manson said before he was locked up and they threw away the key.

By: Captain Nemo on 7/18/12 at 9:00

yogi is a 4 letter word.

What the yogi are you talking about.

Oh go yogi yourself

By: dargent7 on 7/18/12 at 9:01

Cpt: You live in an igloo?
Our electricty bill is 1/3rd what is normally was for this past winter and this spring.