Up for Debate: Campaigning against meth

Thursday, October 20, 2011 at 11:54pm

Gov. Bill Haslam on Wednesday joined Tennessee’s district attorneys to unveil an educational DVD that has been distributed to public middle and high schools across the state. The effort is part of an ongoing partnership between the Tennessee District Attorneys General Conference and the Tennessee Department of Education. Will the DVD have a positive impact or are the type young people who will eventually resort to meth usage so beyond help that the video campaign will do little, if anything, to dissuade them at that point?  

 

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By: bnakat on 10/21/11 at 12:50

The last paragraph in the main article follows: "The Meth Destroys DVD features gripping stories of actual Tennesseans whose lives have been devastated by meth. The video contains information about the dangers of meth, the legal consequences of smurfing (buying items that allow you to produce meth), and updates about the stiffened penalties and soon-to-be-implemented statewide pseudoephedrine-tracking system."

The Up for Debate statement (above) posits, "Will the DVD have a positive impact or are the type young people who will eventually resort to meth usage so beyond help that the video campaign will do little, if anything, to dissuade them at that point?"

This question implies that a certain type young person will eventually resort to meth usage--in fact, it as much as asserts such. Is this "type" genetically predisposed, or is it the result of environment? To resort to (in this usage) indicates turning to something for help in dealing with a problem. So are we to conclude that in our drug riddled society particular individuals are destined to choose meth? With no evidence presented, we must infer that the writer is being somewhat presumptuous.

The value of viewing the subject DVD is at this point unknown. Visual images of actions/behaviors are ubiquitous in today's commercial and social media. How viewers are impressed, or influenced widely varies.

Let's give the DVD a chance. The potential for positive results seems worth pursuing. Meth usage is a serious topic; its devastating use deserves wide exposure.

By: Captain Nemo on 10/21/11 at 1:24

I agreed. Give the DVD a change.

By: dargent7 on 10/21/11 at 5:55

I think I read once where Tenn. ranks #1 in meth usage.
Then lost the title to Kentucky.
Either way, whatever it takes to scare kids away from the stuff is fine with me.
I'm more concerned about the Feds shutting down marijuana dispensaries in CA.

By: Loner on 10/21/11 at 6:26

Good morning, Nashville.

This is simply a bunch of politicians without a clue trying to look effective. Who produced the video? Who paid for the video's production and distribution? Has viewing the video proven to be effective, or is this another BS, feel good project?

Gov. Phil Bredesen had his favorite program - the Marijuana Eradication Program - looks like Haslam is cracking down on meth.- it's as if the Gov. of TN is required to create and fund a personal anti-drug crusade. Pure showmanship...these guys are probably the biggest stoners in the state.

Again, why comment on the board for the main story...we have this UFD board covering the same topic. Kind of like that "human microphone" technique....irritating and dumb @ssed.

By: dargent7 on 10/21/11 at 6:38

"Oh, a microphoney..." "And a phoney at the mic.."
Moe & Curly

By: Loner on 10/21/11 at 6:46

Speaking of phonies at the mic, our fearless leader has been cracking down on the medical marijuana dispensaries, like a Bushite....Obama is a reneger!

By: govskeptic on 10/21/11 at 6:53

This state has got to do something to in order to help prevent
the chaos predicted by the Vice-President if the taxpayers don't
fund more Union dues paying teachers, firemen, and police for ONE
year!

By: dargent7 on 10/21/11 at 6:56

It's obvious Obama's in over his head.
But, any mortal man would be.
Christ Himself, would recuse Himself, from the job.

The complete field of yo-yo's running for the GOP nomination are a circus act.
They are all nuts.
As bad as he may be performing, no one comes close to Obama's intellect.
Not a one.

By: Loner on 10/21/11 at 7:09

Veering off topic : I see where US Reps. Blackburn and Cooper have teamed up to fight the federal Lacey Act, on behalf of Gibson guitars. In TN, contempt for the environment is bipartisan, or so it appears. These paid shills would like to make ignorance of the law a legal excuse. That would certainly set a new precedent in American Law.

This kerfuffle is about a scofflaw, scab guitar maker trying to get away with criminal activity. Buy a Martin!

I left a similar comment here:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/10/20/ap/business/main20123362.shtml

I did not see this story in the NCP...did they miss it? Or did I miss it?

By: Loner on 10/21/11 at 7:35

True, Darge, Obama is very intelligent and consequently very presidential in his bearing...he's very good at that part of the job.

We must never forget that he spent 750 million, in other people's money, to win that job....of course, he is beholden to his paymasters. They are now calling the tunes and the President is tap dancing, grinnin' and singing their songs....reminds me of Sammy Davis Jr. at times....without the dangling cigarette.

If Obama signs off on any more Predator drone strikes, to assassinate foreign leaders, they'll be forced to rename the Nobel Peace Prize; may I suggest: the Nobel Blown to Pieces Prize...Obama looks like a reneger on that score too. The Assassinator-In-Chief has the chutzpah to call the Iranians war criminals....that's ballsy.

The TP-GOP hopefuls are all losers, IMO....same old rantings and ravings about de-regulation, union-busting, alien-bashing, abolishing HEW, IRS, EPA & OSHA, drastically lowering taxation, turning back federal power and dismantling the New Deal....and putting the Bible back in the classrooms, while throwing Darwinism out.

By: dargent7 on 10/21/11 at 7:35

As I wrote to several papers, the Feds crack down on Gibson for illegal wood, yet this maniac in Ohio has a personal zoo with 18 Bengal tigers?
The Feds are closing up maijauna dispensaries in CA daily.
Now, I ask you; what's more "endangered"...freekin' wood from trees or wild cats that are, as an aside, drop-dead gorgeous?
And marijuana is a plant that grows out of God's green earth.
Politics, money, stupidity.

By: dargent7 on 10/21/11 at 7:41

re: The killing of Gadaffi....
The USA 3, the Dictators 0.
These animals, fondly called "rebels", captured Gadaffi, shot him in the stomach, then danced on his face.
He tried to run away, so they shot him in the head.
And the US supports this horse-shit?
We did the same thing to Saddam Hussein. The killers shoot AK-47's into the air screaming in Arabic.
And I thought Detroit was a tough neighborhood.
We've got a 17 year old here in Tenn. who killed both his parents. Dead.
He'll get a warm bed, 3 meals a day, full medical attention, lawyers, library and tv priviledges.
I never believed in the Second Coming but I'm starting to.

By: yogiman on 10/21/11 at 7:44

dargent7,

Didn't you read your comment before posting it where you state "As bad as he is performing, no one comes close to Obama's intellect. Not a one."

Well, I reckon our nation is on it's way to hell then. If Barack Obama is the smartest damn fool we could put in the White House that is performing as bad as he is.

What you don't seem to understand is; Barack Obama is running this nation over the bluff as he is with absolute intent.

By: Ingleweird on 10/21/11 at 8:02

If you think driving a tour bus across the state to help people apply for jobs will actually help with our unemployment problems, you might as well believe that this video will have an impact on drug use.

By: dargent7 on 10/21/11 at 8:04

Anyone remember "Reefer Madness"?
It was supposed to scare kids from smoking weed.
I assume this DVD is just an updated version.

By: BenDover on 10/21/11 at 8:44

Sounds like pretty good propaganda for the kids to me. All the damn Click-it-or-Ticket BS and the cops on TV saying "WE'RE CRACKING DOWN TO SAVE LIVES!!!" needs to go though. Effin' NAZIS...

By: dargent7 on 10/21/11 at 8:50

Glad to see we're all still here. (with a few notable exceptions)......
Harold ("Old Weird Harold") Camping said the world would end today.
Like he said it would May 21.
Bet his following has diminished by at least two followers.

By: BenDover on 10/21/11 at 8:59

Dang... was that today?

By: Captain Nemo on 10/21/11 at 9:00

Reefer madness

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1jB7RBGVGk

By: Captain Nemo on 10/21/11 at 9:06

Sorry Ben you woke up to late. lol

By: Captain Nemo on 10/21/11 at 9:10

If he predict enough times, he will eventually be right.

By: Captain Nemo on 10/21/11 at 9:17

Breaking News

We have just learned that Japan is still here!

By: yogiman on 10/21/11 at 9:30

Where?

By: BigPapa on 10/21/11 at 10:13

I think prescription pain killers are a bigger problem. The problem with over reacting to weed is that kids hear all the scary stuff, then smoke weed and surprise they don't die or immediately become an addicted pot head, so when you talk about other drugs like meth, the message falls on deaf ears.

By: dargent7 on 10/21/11 at 10:19

Titans 27
Texas 13

By: brrrrk on 10/21/11 at 10:54

BenDover said

"Sounds like pretty good propaganda for the kids to me. All the damn Click-it-or-Ticket BS and the cops on TV saying "WE'RE CRACKING DOWN TO SAVE LIVES!!!" needs to go though. Effin' NAZIS..."

Drive around state to state, and you'll easily notice where laws are enforced and where they aren't.... they aren't in Tennessee.

By: brrrrk on 10/21/11 at 10:58

Hey Ben,

You still have yet to give one example of a successful society based purely on Libertarian principles.....

By: BenDover on 10/21/11 at 11:04

Oh... our society has out performed all the rest to the degree we held to constitutional conservatism. We're failing the old break-even analysis anymore though and the lines are crossing where other societies are learning from their failures and our example; and we insist on making all of their historic mistakes all over again.

By: BenDover on 10/21/11 at 11:24

When you factor in that all of these other more socialist leaning countries live under the umbrella of US Military Strength and the fact that their price-controlled health care systems are underwritten... benefiting by the profit incentive to produce procedures and treatments driven by our health care market; then the case that any of these societies out-perform the U.S. is thin gruel at best.

By: brrrrk on 10/21/11 at 11:49

BenDover said

"Oh... our society has out performed all the rest to the degree we held to constitutional conservatism. We're failing the old break-even analysis anymore though and the lines are crossing where other societies are learning from their failures and our example; and we insist on making all of their historic mistakes all over again."

Hogwash! Most of the Western European countries that are having economics issues (outside of issues that are effected by global economic problems), are countries that have more or less fallen into the same economic traps that we've fallen into. Germany is doing well.... thank you very much.... as well as the Scandinavian countries.

By: brrrrk on 10/21/11 at 11:55

BenDover said

"When you factor in that all of these other more socialist leaning countries live under the umbrella of US Military Strength"

Gee, and whose fault it that?

"and the fact that their price-controlled health care systems are underwritten..."

Can you say oil company subsidies?

"benefiting by the profit incentive to produce procedures and treatments driven by our health care market;"

You really should do more research on health care systems around the world.

"then the case that any of these societies out-perform the U.S. is thin gruel at best."

Really? And yet Germany is one of the leading exporters of manufactured goods, often outperforming China.

By: yogiman on 10/21/11 at 12:17

Good "statements". Now may I offer the quote of the decade:

"The fact that we are here today to debate raising America's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the US Government cannot pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government's reckless fiscal policies. Increasing America's debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that, 'the buck stops here'. Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the back of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. America deserves better."

- Senator Barack Obama, March 2006.

So, what have we gain from the 2008 election? Have our debts been pain off, or are we deeper in debt?

By: brrrrk on 10/21/11 at 12:22

Yogi, just curious..... how long do you think this country has been in debt?

By: Captain Nemo on 10/21/11 at 12:58

Now that is a silly question, brrrk. You mixed think with a yogi. LOL

By: dargent7 on 10/21/11 at 1:00

Yogi: For a moment there I thought you very well saw the 'Burning Bush" that Rick Perry's wife saw last week.
So, Obama waltzes into office on Jan. 20, 2009, and low and behold, should balance an inherited Bush budget deficit of $8.0 trillion? In a year?
We, as a Nation, didn't even count by the "trillions" until that dunce Bush took office.

By: Captain Nemo on 10/21/11 at 1:18

d7-

It must be all of the sheep dip, yogi suck in.

By: yogiman on 10/21/11 at 1:32

Well, no, dargent7, we didn't expect him to balance it in a year. But we also didn't expect him to double it in two and a half years either and still want to make that debt hole deeper.

And brrrrk,

This country has been in debt, at least since world war 2. I can't remember back much further than that.

I was lousy in math back then.

By: Captain Nemo on 10/21/11 at 1:48

Just because I can’t count pass 20 doesn’t mean my memory ain’t so good.

Kyle Pyle-

By: brrrrk on 10/21/11 at 1:58

Just for yogi.....

"The United States has had a public debt since its founding in 1791. Debts incurred during the American Revolutionary War and under the Articles of Confederation amounted to $75,463,476.52 on January 1, 1791."

By: Captain Nemo on 10/21/11 at 1:59

This great ding’ling has a new plan from God.

Citing Frustration With Strategy, Bachmann's Paid N.H. Staff Quits

http://www.npr.org/blogs/itsallpolitics/2011/10/21/141589268/citing-frustration-with-strategy-bachmanns-paid-n-h-staff-quits

By: Captain Nemo on 10/21/11 at 2:01

The great Bush screw-up comes to an end

All U.S. Troops Will Withdraw From Iraq By Year's End
President Obama said that after almost nine years, "The long war in Iraq will come to an end."

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2011/10/21/141590282/obama-to-address-iraq-troop-withdrawal

By: Captain Nemo on 10/21/11 at 2:03

Remember brrrrk, he has the lack of brains and can count.

By: brrrrk on 10/21/11 at 2:05

Here's how the GOP get their books on the top 10.....

Herman Cain's campaign paid his company to buy his books

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20122027-503544.html

By: Captain Nemo on 10/21/11 at 2:05

This old fogi had never had any sense of history.

By: brrrrk on 10/21/11 at 2:06

Captain Nemo said

"Remember brrrrk, he has the lack of brains and can count."

I don't mine the counting, it's that he has to do it by stomping his foot that is tiresome....

By: Captain Nemo on 10/21/11 at 2:07

OMG brrrrk!! LOL

By: Captain Nemo on 10/21/11 at 2:15

This country has been founded as long as I can remember…..what was I saying?

Kyle Pyle-

By: Captain Nemo on 10/21/11 at 2:17

Got to go. Have a good weekeng (sic).

By: BenDover on 10/21/11 at 2:57

See ya' Nemo.

By: budlight on 10/21/11 at 6:41

dargent7 on 10/21/11 at 8:04
Anyone remember "Reefer Madness"?
It was supposed to scare kids from smoking weed.
I assume this DVD is just an updated version.

D7, I went to see this movie in the 70's at a theatre in Georgetown (Washington, DC ). We attended the midnight show; had beers in our coats and as I recall, some of my party (not me of course) smoked a little reefer before the show. It was an awesome experience. Honestly, it actually was better than Saturday Night Live. Suffice it to say, I do believe that pot is a dangerous drug when put into the wrong hands. I believe it is a mind altering drug that, for some, leads to other, stronger drugs. Very few people can smoke a lot of dope and not get hooked.

I vote NO for drug legalization.