Up for Debate: 'Copyright trolls' vs. piracy

Thursday, January 31, 2013 at 1:20am

Do you feel any sympathy for defendants who claim movie producers (particularly those in porn) are trolling them as copyright infringers for easy settlements? Is a wave of lawsuits seeking information matching up with owners of IP addresses simply cracking down on cases of "If you don't want to get caught don't do it"? Or a little bit of both?

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94 Comments on this post:

By: Loner on 1/31/13 at 9:57

Barney Frank...unseated by a snapped line drawn tight, you say...did not know about the BDSM angle, Ben...thanks for the inside info.

By: slacker on 1/31/13 at 10:02

Barney misunderstood.. he thought Gerry Mander was an old flame.

By: gdiafante on 1/31/13 at 10:24

Yeah blanket...Hillary Clinton, the entire GOP, FOX News, Donald Trump...all of them...spending millions of dollars trying to uncover the "truth" without success... But wait! There is a savior...an inbred old man in Gordonsville who, by his own admission cannot distinguish between a search engine and a 2-cycle engine, has found what the others could not...the smoking gun...but he's not going to tell us now...no, that would be too easy...he'll reveal the truth in time...


By: Captain Nemo on 1/31/13 at 10:35

That was not a smoking gun gdia, it was burnt rat

By: Loner on 1/31/13 at 10:36

Gerry Mander now goes by Geraldine Mander, Slack....he/she is transgendered....and working for a Washington, DC think tank.

By: Loner on 1/31/13 at 10:37

Captain Nemo is now on deck....look alive, ye swabs.

By: Loner on 1/31/13 at 10:40

Apparently, Geraldine Mander wants to change her name....to Geraldine Womander.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 1/31/13 at 11:21

lol, g! Exactly! But he's going to teach us "children" something. What an effing moron.

By: yogiman on 1/31/13 at 1:07

Tell me, children, was Barry lying when he told that group of students in Colorado he was from Kenya? Or was that an impersonator they on TV making that ridiculous remark? Was that a fake ad publicizing his autobiography said he was born in Kenya and raised in Indonesia and Hawaii? Why did he lie about it for 16 years?

One simple question I'm sure one of you can answer: Why has he refused to present his birth certificate and all of his school papers for the people he claims to be representing to see? Is he ashamed of them or will they prove he's in that office illegally?

The only thing any of you have "said" in your claim of his legality is he was born in the USA. Why can't the governor of Hawaii find his birth certificate in the state health department? Why won't the hospital he claims to have been born in acknowledge his birth; show his "letter of thanks", and display his letter for free advertisement?

Could it possibly be a fake?

By: gdiafante on 1/31/13 at 1:33

Yogi, the birth certificate isn't an issue. It hasn't been in a long, loooooong time, double dumbass. (FYI - it's not a fake)

Here's a question for you...please cite your source that states the release of school records is a prerequisite to hold the office.

Shut your hole, change your diaper and let the adults talk. Chop Chop

By: yogiman on 1/31/13 at 1:57

Sorry, gdiafante, it is a fake. And no, there isn't a requirement to show your school papers. But when questioned about a claim, wouldn't you show yours?

When did an official show an 'O' in their name as a face with a grin on a birth certificate? Why was some of the letters shown that didn't exist in 1961? Why has so many experts called it a fake?

I'm sure you have the reason why the number on his birth certificate is bigger number than the two numbers on twin's certificates that were born the day after him in the hospital he claims to have been born in. A boo boo on the hospital? Gimme a break.

Oh, and check the records and see when the hospital he claims for his birth became the hospital of that name.

The was a baby born the day after the twins who was dead at birth. Could her number be his number? And who made that boo boo on issuing him a CT Social Security number? Wasn't he given a SS number when he worked at that ice cream cafe? Why isn't he using that number? Or was he working in that parlor as a foreign student?

One other point: I've seen a picture of a Kenyan birth certificate showing his birth with a footprint on it. Is it a fake, or is it his?

By: gdiafante on 1/31/13 at 2:10

Sorry, gdiafante, it is a fake.

No, it's not.


But when questioned about a claim, wouldn't you show yours?

If it's not required, he doesn't have to do anything. And other than idiot birthers, such as yourself, no one cares.

One other point: I've seen a picture of a Kenyan birth certificate showing his birth with a footprint on it. Is it a fake, or is it his?

It is...wait for it...fake.


Not that I expect a cowardly SOB like yourself to be able to understand what I've just posted. Never the less, there it is.

By: Loner on 1/31/13 at 2:18


By: Loner on 1/31/13 at 2:27

Gd, the troll is an obsessed racist...we all know that....let's not allow him to ruin this posting community....the best policy is to ignore him and hope that the authorities take him away to some federal funny farm....or am I wrong on that?

By: Loner on 1/31/13 at 2:29

Slack...Darge...Ben...anybody out there?

By: dargent7 on 1/31/13 at 2:52

The latest from the "gay" corner:
Seems a 49er (cornerback) went off on statements, "No gays here on this team..." "in this locker room".
"Won't have it..." "We don't mess with that sweet stuff".
Coming from a team from San Francisco, no less.
Arte Lange, Howard Stern's sidekick, chimed in against gays in pro sports. Didn't catch his rant live, will be on YouTube tonight.
Lange, about 2 years ago, stabbed himself 9 times with a butcher knife, while on cocaine.
He's now back up to his fighting weight: 300#'s.
It's a big story out here in the Bay area, as you can imagine. Two days before the SuperBowl.
Ravens- 31 49ers- 28.
And Beyonce' DOES sing her own songs at Half Time.

By: dargent7 on 1/31/13 at 3:00

You are correct, burt unless he uses profanity, swears constantly, wears ladies underware while typing, and basically posts in drag, they won't remove him.
To my knowledge only "serr8'd" got kicked off for threatening people's lives.

By: yogiman on 1/31/13 at 3:13

Sorry, gdiafante,

Snopes is a big Obama fan like you and your co-posters here. I can't remember one post where they make a negative remark about him. Isn't there any?

If 'Obama' is your man, hang in there. Your ignorance will show sooner than your little heart desires.

By: BenDover on 1/31/13 at 3:16

Went to have lunch with my daughter and the grandbabies loner... back now.

Whatdoyathink Burch's rant will be about tomorrow?

I'll lay 3 to 1 on either guns or Jews?

No life-lines by peeking at White-house talking points.

What says you?

By: dargent7 on 1/31/13 at 3:29

Burch show talk about the 49er's statements re: "No damn gays allowed in the NFL..."

By: slacker on 1/31/13 at 3:39

I'll not rest until they allow women in the NFL.. its only right.

By: slacker on 1/31/13 at 3:42

They''l have to be a study on titty concussions, but whats right is right.

By: Captain Nemo on 1/31/13 at 3:55

Rasputin is silent and the old idiot has all of the attention.

By: Captain Nemo on 1/31/13 at 4:00

Another school shooting in Atlanta.

By: Loner on 1/31/13 at 4:31

I won't take that bet, Ben...you are probably right...but why not, they are both topical.

That nut in Alabama, the bus driver shooter, is still holding the 5-year old boy in his bunker....looks like a stalemate...the guy was a known nut, but he was allowed to keep his weapons....this is the grim result.

La Pierre should fly down there and negotiate the guy's surrender....La Pierre speaks his lingo.

By: Loner on 1/31/13 at 4:33

The idea of a female snapper snapping the ball is too much for me, Slack.

By: Loner on 1/31/13 at 4:41

Did Ray Lewis use dope to speed his recovery? That's the buzz going around.

By: slacker on 1/31/13 at 4:49

Loner, he's accused of using deer antler.. (yeah I know) unsure if it works, but Lewis has been spotted rubbing his head on goal posts.

By: slacker on 1/31/13 at 4:55

Loner, the quarterback will go where no quarterback has gone before.. hut..hut

By: dargent7 on 1/31/13 at 5:02

You guys are mixing up your breasts with your testicles.
The story is ONLY about gay MEN in the locker rooms and NFL.
There's several hottie tv reporters (Erin Andrews) allowed in the locker rooms now. ctually, invited..
But, in a similar vein, there's a story of a woman shot in the chest by an ex-husband and she's convinced her implants slowed down the 9mm bullet enough to not pierce her heart. 38 doubleD's. USA Today.

By: Loner on 1/31/13 at 5:05

Kevlar implants will be coming out next?

By: Loner on 1/31/13 at 5:10

Slack...I did a spit take on the Lewis rubbing his head on the goal post line....Ray's in the rut?

Female snapper...about 6' 4" and tipping the scales at 325#....like a female Yeti...she'd move the pile.....let's try cloning such a lovely creature...to give the ladies a fair shot at the glory.

By: Loner on 1/31/13 at 5:13

Lewis was also reported seen licking a salt lick and sniffing the turf.

By: Loner on 1/31/13 at 5:15

If the antler story is true, all the 49er fans need to do is shine headlights on Lewis...he'll freeze.

By: slacker on 1/31/13 at 5:18

lol.. gotta go

By: Loner on 1/31/13 at 5:22

See ya!

By: Rasputin72 on 1/31/13 at 5:24

It is seldom and almost never that I respond to Yogi. I do not respond because he does not have the right to post anything he wishes but because he has already made his point at least a year ago

By: Loner on 1/31/13 at 5:30

The only point that Yogi ever made was the one on top of his head....under his pointy white muslin hood.

By: Loner on 1/31/13 at 5:32

Yogi never advanced to the level of Grand Wizard...he got a s far as Small Lizard.

By: yogiman on 1/31/13 at 5:42


Do you have any children? Did you only have to tell them something one time for them to understand what you was trying to teach them? Did you always understand everything told to you the first time? Didn't think so.

There's one point on this issue on this site: Either I'm right and y'all are wrong, or y'all are right and I'm wrong. Time will tell. And from what I've learned about Obama, I've got to think I'm right. Either I am or there's a hell of a lot of idiots in this nation.

But, if you're willing to have a dictator, hang in there; you've got one in the works.

By: ancienthighway on 1/31/13 at 6:07

"For one thing, none of you have explained how he got his natural born status back after he became an Indonesian citizen. " yogiman on 1/31/13 at 8:38

Lynch v. Clarke
In re Look Tin Sing
United States v. Wong Kim Ark
Perkins v. Elg

The natural born status can never be revoked. That would be like the government saying I wasn't born in my home town, just because I lived overseas for over 10 years and have lived in my home town for only 4 years since graduating high school in 1971. In the same light, although I've lived in Tennessee for 13 years, I will never be a natural born Tennessee resident.

By: yogiman on 1/31/13 at 8:01

I agree you can always claim to HAVE BEEN a natural born citizen, but when you become a citizen of another nation, you lose your native citizenship. To regain your original citizenship (if he has), it is by the naturalization process, thus you cannot use your original natural born status officially.

How can a man born as a British subject be a natural born citizen of the USA? He could not be anything more than a dual citizen, but if he was born in Kenya as he advertised for 16 years, his mother could not pass her American citizenship down to him because of her age.

In an interview with a leading Hispanic network Univision, Barack Obama stated: "I think it's important to remind everybody it, what I've said previously, I am not a king, I am head of the executive branch of government. I am required to follow the law, and that is what we've done."

So why, last week, did a federal court rule Obama unconstitutionally made recess appointments to the National Labor Relations board and bypassed the Senate.

Why has the Obama administration refused to enforce laws requiring the deportation of 800,000 illegal aliens and stopped defending the Defense of Marriage Act while it remains federal law?

By what law did he take over corporations and renew them?

Just wondering: Is he our king or dictator?

By: Ask01 on 1/31/13 at 8:12

You are correct, gdiafante. Ignorance of the law is no excuse.

Naturally, the first person to upload an item to the internet has little standing to claim ignorance of copyright status. I suppose, however, I should have worded my comment differently. Even though most people should know any created media is intellectual property and therefore possibly subject to copyright, unless there is a warning or notice of copyright appended to the material, an avenue is opened for later downloaders to argue a defense of unknowingly receiving 'stolen' property.

Let's be honest, even if we are talking about attorneys, is it so hard to believe one set of lawyers will make money from people by filing suit to enforce copyright, while another group makes their money defending people by claiming they had no knowledge the product was illegally placed on the internet.

That was the point I was trying to make.

By: ancienthighway on 2/1/13 at 12:34

yogiman, the cases sited explain. There's also constitutional amendments, congressional acts, and a number of other things related.

In three of the four cases I mentioned, a child was born on US soil of parents citizens of another country. Courts ruled the child is a natural born citizen, a U.S. Citizen, despite the fact that after the child's birth the family returned to the parent's home country. The other case is similar to the circumstances Obama was born. One British parent, one American parent, child born in the US, and the family moves to England. Child returns to America on a US Passport as a natural born citizen.

Again, the natural born status cannot be taken away. One may choose to take citizenship in another country and give up the US Citizenship, but once that individual chooses to reclaim US Citizenship, it can be granted. No naturalization requirement needed.