Up for Debate: Councilman takes to tweeting

Thursday, May 17, 2012 at 1:06am

What do you think of Councilman Josh Stites' comments on Twitter regarding the chamber? Is it OK for a councilman to air such thoughts that way? Is he right or wrong?

 

162 Comments on this post:

By: slacker on 5/17/12 at 11:44

Ben, I believe your ''pizza parable'' will be included in future economic textbooks.

By: brrrrk on 5/17/12 at 11:49

Loner said

"Ben expects the "left" to accede to all right-wing funding requests...now he claims the opposite to be true....he claims it's the "left" who are promoting the "high taxes & high spending" agenda.

Truth is, the Republicans support and defend the "low taxes & high spending" model."

It's Jude Wanniski's Two Santa Claus theory writ large.....

it's pretty simple really.... when Republicans are in control they lower taxes, spending like crazy so as to increase the deficit and once they (Republicans) are out of office they blame the opposition for the deficit.

http://capitalgainsandgames.com/blog/bruce-bartlett/1701/jude-wanniski-taxes-and-two-santa-theory

By: brrrrk on 5/17/12 at 11:53

BenDover said

"Four guys decide to go in together and buy a pizza. One if the guys comes up with an idea that they should pay for it in proportion to their relative wealth. The math works out like this ($3, $3, $3, $15)."

Who built the pizza oven, and who paid for the power grid that keeps the pizza shop chugging along, and who paid for the research that allows the pizza shop to now sell pizzas over the internet, and who paid for the water system that provides water to make the pizza.....

By: slacker on 5/17/12 at 11:58

brrrrk, Obama extended Bushs tax cuts, is Obama part of the problem?

By: brrrrk on 5/17/12 at 12:06

slacker said

"brrrrk, Obama extended Bushs tax cuts, is Obama part of the problem?"

While I agree that the Bush tax cuts should not have been extended, what was the alternative given the makeup of the filibuster ridden congress at the time? The Senate would have stopped the bill in it's tracks. As I recall, the bill extending those tax cuts also extended unemployment benefits.

By: yogiman on 5/17/12 at 12:10

You should know what you're saying when you say it, nimrod.

By: gdiafante on 5/17/12 at 12:31

is Obama part of the problem?

Yes, he is.

My problem with Washington is that they're trying to convince us that past (failed) policies are the cure. I call BS. And that's for both sides.

Ben seems to have an excuse for everything...and it usually involves blaming someone else. I call BS on that too.

That's the mentality that has created complete gridlock in government. **** ideology...we should do what's best for the country and our people...and the latter includes more than the 1% and the ultra poor.

By: yogiman on 5/17/12 at 12:33

Tidbit information about your favorite usurper in the White House:

1. Occidental College records -- SEALED
2. Columbia College records -- SEALED
3. Columbia Thesis paper -- SEALED
4. Harvard College records -- SEALED
5. Selective Service Registration -- SEALED
6. Medical records -- SEALED
7. Illinois State Senate schedule -- SEALED
8. Illinois State Senate records -- SEALED
9. Law practice client list -- SEALED
10. Certified copy of original Birth certificate -- SEALED
11. Signed, Embossed paper Certification of live birth -- SEALED
12. Baptism record -- SEALED
13. Michille Obama can no longer practice law as an attorney -- SEALED
14. Michille has 22 assistants. Former First ladies had 4
15. Foreign Student Aid as a college student -- SEALED
16. Used what country's passport when he visited Pakistan?

Do you know who in the hell he is? The American citizens would sure like to know.

By: budlight on 5/17/12 at 12:35

Paul (D7) Ms. Kennedy's children are grown so they are adults. And it is tragic, but so is the whole Kennedy clan. The sins of the father. Started with Joe; then Teddie killing Ms. Kopeckne. That's a lot of Karma for a family to have to even out. And let's don't forget Jack and Marilyn. How shameful of him. And Bobby. I'm just glad my Dad didn't leave too much for me to have to make up for. He was an outlaw to say the least. And now my kids are lucky they don't have to make up for my karma; I just don't have any kids!

Obama's fan club is getting smaller and smaller. His just say gay mantra is not going over big in the black and hispanic base. Just ask them. They don't want to burn for supporting such a load of donkey dung!

By: gdiafante on 5/17/12 at 12:36

17. Space in between yogi's ears: SEALED IN CONCRETE

By: budlight on 5/17/12 at 12:40

By: Loner on 5/17/12 at 6:45
Can anyone tell me what the present tax rate is, so that this 53 cent increase is put into perspective...I assume that the 53 cents is per thousand dollar assessed evaluation, right?

If so, the tax increase would be $53 per tax pear on a $100,000 home, right?

The NCP articles are short on those vital stats.

Thanks

Loner, just use 13% times the current assessed value and add it to the current tax. My current tax is $2870 per year. So I'll be over $3000 coming up. Thanks Karl and thanks for the dimly lit street light that does nothing and the Waste Mgt. truck that picks up trash and then let's it blow out of the truck to litter the streets of Nashville profusely.

By: budlight on 5/17/12 at 12:42

By: gdiafante on 5/17/12 at 12:31
is Obama part of the problem?

Yes, he is.

My problem with Washington is that they're trying to convince us that past (failed) policies are the cure. I call BS. And that's for both sides.

Ben seems to have an excuse for everything...and it usually involves blaming someone else. I call BS on that too.

That's the mentality that has created complete gridlock in government. **** ideology...we should do what's best for the country and our people...and the latter includes more than the 1% and the ultra poor.

Make that ALL of the problem. Who is he? Where is his birth certificate, anyway?

By: gdiafante on 5/17/12 at 12:43

He's the President. His certificate is easily accessed online. Get over it, twit.

By: Loner on 5/17/12 at 12:44

The only candidate with any kind of plan for balancing the federal budget is Ron Paul....and we can all see how he is being received...marginalized as an extremist.... Pizza-maker Paul says we are running out of dough....the crust is getting too thin....burns too readily.

Pizza reform has to come from Congress, not just the Executive...sadly, the special interests have figured out how to put their toppings on that federal pizza....the cost of those extra toppings soon add up to more than what the basic pizza-pie would cost....we need to ask ourselves, "Do we really need the extra-cheese. the anchovies, the black olives and the hot peppers?"

And we should look for coupons, to save on that pizza.....right, Ben?

By: gdiafante on 5/17/12 at 12:48

Loner, I'm not sure we should be preoccupied with trying to balance the budget until we figure out how to decrease unemployment. The cuts would have to be too extreme without the increased revenue. And, people just flat out refuse certain cuts.

I would pull back defense spending, end the tax cuts, reform certain entitlements (not eliminate) and then see where we're at.

We've had 30+ years getting into this mess, it ain't going to be a quick fix.

By: slacker on 5/17/12 at 12:55

''When an eel bites your thigh... like a big pizza pie... its a Moray''

By: brrrrk on 5/17/12 at 12:57

Loner,

Actually I think a better pizza analogy is this.... The guy with the $15 (because he's contributing the most money) demands expensive toppings knowing full well that the other guys can't afford it on their own. Then when the pizza comes and the other guys want their share of the pizza, the guy with the $15 dollars pitches a bitch because he thinks he should get ALL the expensive toppings... even though they all contributed to purchasing the pizza, even with those expensive toppings. But when the guy with the $15 doesn't get his way.... he walks out leaving the other guys stuck with the bill.

By: Loner on 5/17/12 at 12:58

In Ben's original pizza analogy, he did not reveal the source of the rich guy's wealth....he owned the pizzeria. He collected a a total of $9 dollars from the other three guys, as the owner, he knows that the pizza they want to order actually costs $3 to make & bake.....so he was making a profit already.

The rich guy should have agreed to the deal....the $15 share that he was assessed was going into his own bank account anyway; it would have made a convenient dummy "subsidiary" corp......for tax evasion purposes.

The "rich guy" in Ben Dover's analogy, was not a smart rich guy.....his wealth may be a temporary thing....the former pizzeria owner could end up on the welfare rolls....it happens.

By: slacker on 5/17/12 at 1:06

Actually the waitress who served the pizza, married the rich guy. She quit her job working for chump change in the pizza parlor, and they moved to Nashville for the low taxes.

By: Loner on 5/17/12 at 1:13

Brrrrk, I did not see your 12:57 post until after I had posted @12:58.

I see your point...the rich guy stripped the toppings from the other guy's slices, intending to stuff his own pie hole with the good stuff...while the other guys got a reddish crust, stripped of the toppings.....when the other guys said, "WTF, no way!", the rich guy walked out... leaving them to pay the pie-man....for a mangled, man-handled pizza.

The rich guy did not wash his filthy hands before rudely scraping the toppings over to his portion of the pizza......this could be trouble....Rich Guy's Revenge.

By: Loner on 5/17/12 at 1:14

I like the plot twist, Slack...and whatever happened to the Delivery Boy?

By: slacker on 5/17/12 at 1:15

I bet somebody got hit with a Harley chain.

By: slacker on 5/17/12 at 1:20

Loner, the Delivery Boy also moved to Nashville. Started delivering pizza's to the well heeled, wouldn't go into low income neighborhoods. I believe his name started with an R

By: gdiafante on 5/17/12 at 1:22

Once in Nashville, they find that there's a Federal program to re-hire ex-government employees as drivers. They expect to get tax breaks because of participating in the program, but soon realize that the state then requires uncesssary licenses for drivers, so the money that should be going to the pizza owner is actually going to the state.

The owner complains and is told about how evil the federal government is and that instead of wanting a tax break, he should help develop Tennessee's own currency for when the next Civil War occurs or get a new job, like teaching creation in public schools. The owner accepts, changes his name to Bubba, marries his sister and lives happily ever after.

By: Loner on 5/17/12 at 1:22

That's how they got the name, "Chain Stores", Slack...as in a "chain of pizzerias"....Godfather style.

Papa Patella's Pizzeria....there's one near yous.

By: Loner on 5/17/12 at 1:30

Slack...was that Willard, the pizza-boy? Nice clean-cut kid, Wiilard was working his way through LDS Seminary School....his 2-s deferment kept him out of the meat-grinder overseas.

I like that plot element too, Gd.....for all their wealth, they lose their marbles....the sad irony aspect.....with some schadenfreude too. Nice.

By: Loner on 5/17/12 at 1:48

Speaking of Bubba...Anyone else like "Squidbillies?" on cable TV..Cartoon Network or Comedy Channel, I think.

When I read this apparently true story, I thought of Squidbllies:

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/05/12/11678056-illinois-man-takes-plea-deal-after-sewing-sons-butt

Illinois is North of the Mason Dixon line.....gotta be an immigrant?

By: gdiafante on 5/17/12 at 1:55

Have you been to Illinois, Loner? Other than the Chicago area, pretty much rural.

By: yogiman on 5/17/12 at 2:10

gdiafarte,

You should go back to school and learn how to read. If you're as educated as you seem to think you are, by what law certified him as a natural born citizen after he lost his citizenship upon his adoption to Indonesia? If, and I repeat, if, he repatriated his citizenship he could only do it by naturalization. Did he, or is he still an Indonesian citizen?

You better wake up, gdiafarte, unless you're one of his fellow communists. Congress was right in the middle of his usurpation from the beginning. None of them has raised a question on the issue. Ever wonder why the let it happen? It sure wasn't because he was qualified.

I don't know what you think of the 2nd Amendment, but they are in the process now of signing a treaty with the United Nations. And if they get that through, they don't even have to get the okay from congress. If they get that done, you can kiss the USA goodbye.

Are you ready for a one world government? Is that what you want your children to live through? If so, I feel sorry for your children.

A bigger question is still unanswered: Has he ever been a US citizen? If so, why have the Kenyan newspapers constantly referred to him as Kenyan born? Why has his relatives constantly identified him as a Kenyan? Why couldn't he and his half-sister give the right name to the hospital he was "born" in?

And why are every "unit" in the communist party showing their support of him?

By: gdiafante on 5/17/12 at 2:12

Go change your diaper and let the adults talk, yogi.

By: yogiman on 5/17/12 at 2:34

Want a good laugh to soften that hard head you have, gidiafarte? Go to www.obamainhistory.com

You should get a good laugh in your feeble mind.

By: gdiafante on 5/17/12 at 3:04

If I need to laugh, I read your posts. But thanks for thinking of me...actually that's disconcerting...

By: brrrrk on 5/17/12 at 3:07

gdiafante said

"If I need to laugh, I read your posts. But thanks for thinking of me...actually that's disconcerting..."

More like scary as hell! :-)

By: Loner on 5/17/12 at 3:17

Boring as hell.

By: Loner on 5/17/12 at 3:24

I mean, the guy is our less than lovable Yogi One-Note....and his one note is, "Usurper!" The man is possessed by a demon? His obsession with the President's legitimacy is some kind of psychosis, IMHO....but I'm no physician....to use the vernacular, the man is whacked.

By: BenDover on 5/17/12 at 3:24

Watching all the contortions you guys are going through to dismiss the simple Pizza Parable is entertaining. (really like the name there Slacker).

It's just a simple illustration debunking both the 'fairness' and 'hypocrisy' criticisms. Why don't you admit your Rube Goldberg machinations are just rationalizations built atop nothing more than your emotional attachment to underdog bolstering paternalism by government proxy. Your emotions to help others has kicked in and you rationalize stealing from other people to accomplish that end... thus depriving them of the rewards of their labor (slavery) and of their ability to be charitable in ways they see fit.

By: dargent7 on 5/17/12 at 3:24

BudL: You're right.
But, The ex Ms. Kennedy has a trough of money.
She could of got a job at Nordstroms selling perfume. Set up a foundation for the blind.
Her needs were met.
Hang herself in the family home?
F***.

By: brrrrk on 5/17/12 at 3:28

BenDover said

"Watching all the contortions you guys are going through to dismiss the simple Pizza Parable is entertaining. (really like the name there Slacker)."

Right... and economics has a whole is as simple as "4 guys walk into a piano bar a buy a pizza"

By: gdiafante on 5/17/12 at 3:29

I can't speak for everyone else, but I was making fun of you, Ben. You write prettier than a two-dollar whore, but when you break it down, it's a lot like yogi's nonsense.

By: BenDover on 5/17/12 at 3:33

Then after stealing their labors you deny them any participation in the systems they objected to in the first place (but were forced to support) on the grounds of 'hypocrisy'.

Tidy little world you live in... impervious to reasonable points, 'how can a system that punishes good behavior and rewards bad behavior persist and advance a society?'... and 'is such a system really fair?'. These questions are never asked with any seriousness because they contradiction the emotions upon which all of the other rationalizations are based.

By: BenDover on 5/17/12 at 3:36

contradition -shb-> contradict

By: BenDover on 5/17/12 at 3:38

Well gd... in the scenario I have painted is the person who is forced to pay more than an equal share a hypocrite for wanting a piece of pizza?

That, essentially, is the hypocrisy argument being made.

By: gdiafante on 5/17/12 at 3:39

Tidy little world you live in... impervious to reasonable points

Pot, meet kettle.

Yawn.

By: brrrrk on 5/17/12 at 3:42

Ben said

"Tidy little world you live in... impervious to reasonable points, 'how can a system that punishes good behavior and rewards bad behavior persist and advance a society?'... and 'is such a system really fair?'. "

Even you have got to admit that someone who makes a billion dollars a year can't possibly be 10,000 times more productive than someone who makes 100,000 a year. Or is that completely irrelevant?

By: brrrrk on 5/17/12 at 3:48

This would be perfectly acceptable in Ben's world.... what the heck, survival of the fattest.

Wells Fargo Has Blood on Its Hands: Desperate Man Commits Suicide After Shocking Foreclosure Mistreatment

http://www.alternet.org/story/155442/wells_fargo_has_blood_on_its_hands?page=entire

By: Loner on 5/17/12 at 3:51

Ben Dover advocates for a return to Dickensian times...when all the employers were of the Scrooge type....those robber baron types thought that giving alms to the non-productive class was hum-buggery.. The Scrooges would not submit to having their bung-holes buggered by way of charity, or human compassion.

The upper-classes protected their asses....they guarded their assets....treated humans like Bassetts....'twas dog eat dog....some ate high on the hog.....others got the ham bone & scrapple.

No, Ben, we don't want to go back to that faith-based crap.....I have no faith in human compassion....historically, it has been grossly insufficient in meeting the humanitarian needs of a civil society.

Today, preachers preaching the "Prosperity Gospel" do not mention the sin of avarice....they do not consider greed to be a vice...they consider it a virtue.

By: BenDover on 5/17/12 at 4:01

So arbitrary redistribution is a better arbiter and a better driver of a free society than the free market? Nah... that's just might makes right. Do you guys actually know any poor people?

By: Loner on 5/17/12 at 4:07

"Arbitrary redistribution"? Nothing arbitrary about it, Ben...the special interests determine what the pizza pie is going to look like and who is going to get a slice and who gets the unwanted crusts and crumbs....they even have a sweetheart deal to dispose of the pizza box....nothing arbitrary about any of that....it's fee service governance.

By: brrrrk on 5/17/12 at 4:10

BenDover said

"So arbitrary redistribution is a better arbiter and a better driver of a free society than the free market? Nah... that's just might makes right. Do you guys actually know any poor people?"

The free market is an absolute myth.... there is no such thing. You have to have rules that dictate how markets operate.

By: Loner on 5/17/12 at 4:10

Fee for service governance, that is. You gotta pay in order to play.