Up for Debate: Councilman's 'roundtable' meetings

Friday, June 8, 2012 at 12:37am

Councilman Steve Glover has scheduled public "roundtable" meetings at his office to discuss Mayor Karl Dean’s proposed budget with council colleagues to look for ways to reduce the proposed 53-cent property tax increase. Do you think this is a good and potentially productive idea, too little too late, or simply a convolution of the process? Do you think similar meetings should be held more often on other topics?


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102 Comments on this post:

By: bfra on 6/8/12 at 8:00

gdiafarte - Between Rasputin's $28,00 an hour & yogi's last comment, wow! Stupid!!!!

By: yogiman on 6/8/12 at 8:00

Because the dog chased them over, BenDover. They'll go back to the other side when the dog gets tired of chasing chickens and lays down.

By: gdiafante on 6/8/12 at 8:00

So Rasp would pay a clerk $200K...and we're supposed to think he's good at business? You should work for the government...


By: slacker on 6/8/12 at 8:02

''How many roads must a chicken cross, before he becomes a Rooster?''
-B. Dylan

By: Rasputin72 on 6/8/12 at 8:04

Ummm.........One of the best pieces of advice that I have been given in my entire life was some 22 years ago by a black cook in a BBQ restaurant in Memphis. His advice to me was "If youse has a lot of money youse should lease by the piece," Youse will come out better in the long run"

I have followed that advice with with outstanding results. I still have my houses and my cars and my standard of living.

By: gdiafante on 6/8/12 at 8:04

brfa called me gdiafarte...and I've been cutting down my fiber intake too...I'm hurt...

By: BenDover on 6/8/12 at 8:04

The old deal with government workers was that they exchanged salary for job security and benefits. Now salaries are much more comparable with the private sector with federal jobs surpassing comparable private sector salaries by about 15%.

So now government workers can't be fired for being incompetent (which amounts to institutional inbreeding) and they max out on unsustainable defined benefit pension and medical benefits.

By: slacker on 6/8/12 at 8:05

Glad to see Loner & The_House_Of_Pain back.
Pain I thought you were holed up with Bobby Petrino.

By: Rasputin72 on 6/8/12 at 8:07

Gdiafante........I apologize for sending comments to you that are over your head. I will stop.

By: BigPapa on 6/8/12 at 8:08

Yes, there has to be some incentive to work there. I agree with that. Typically the low pay is off set by time off, holidays, and whats generally considered "easy" work.

Pensions, they are just unsustainable- a ponzie scheme the public just doesnt want to pay for any more. Maybe you can come up with radical pension reform, or dial back pension benefits for new hires to where the pension is a small part of retirement, but not what the worker counts on as their major piece of retirement.

Personally I'd rather offer competitive salaries coupled with elimination of civil service and tenure benefits. I think paying someone a real salary with the understanding that if they screw up they can be bounced is more fair for both the worker and the tax payer, but that's just me.

By: bfra on 6/8/12 at 8:08

gdiafante - Most sorry about that! I did a cut & paste from a yogi comment and should have known better. Repeat, careless mistake.

By: gdiafante on 6/8/12 at 8:09

So, Ben, if government salaries are higher than private, what happened? Did the government increase pay or the private sector decrease theirs?

And I still stand by my claim that the average government worker does not earn more. But I agree that the civil service laws are antiquated. Should be merit-based pay and you should be able to get rid of incompetent employees.

By: BenDover on 6/8/12 at 8:10

"lease by the piece"? What the heck does that mean, Raspy. I sincerely don't understand.

By: yogiman on 6/8/12 at 8:11

I think the best job in the government would be in the U. S. Senate. Once you get hired (elected), it will be hard for anyone else to get you fired (because of lack of money to run against you).

Benefits? You can set your own salary, decide you welfare benefits (retirement program) and you medical benefits. And even your boss (we, the citizens) doesn't have any debate about it even though you're using their money.

Hell, you can hire your personal employees (staff members) and get those suckers (us) to furnish your office and all expenses..., even trips around the world called "for the government exercise".

By: gdiafante on 6/8/12 at 8:17

For once, I agree with Yogi. Imagine having a job where you set your own salary...I would make $28,00 easy...

By: slacker on 6/8/12 at 8:17

Ben, I think Rasp was soliciting a hooker...don't ''youse'' know

By: BenDover on 6/8/12 at 8:25

Oh... that makes sense given the earlier context, slack. Thanks.

By: slacker on 6/8/12 at 8:42

Back to subject. This may be the next to last page, in the script the mayor handed out to the rubber-stamp council. They continue with the drama, and eventually lower the tax a few cents. Bait & switch, same old game, move along taxpayer, nothing to see here.

By: gdiafante on 6/8/12 at 8:45

I'm thinking of starting a new business in the pitchfork and torch industry. With that kind of apathy, slacker, I'm going to go bankrupt.

By: BenDover on 6/8/12 at 8:46

I don't see them lowering it any Slack. My clairvoyant crystal balls have been known to skip a beat sometimes though.

By: slacker on 6/8/12 at 8:48

gdiafante, being editor of ''The Grassy Knoll Gazette,'' is a thankless job.

By: slacker on 6/8/12 at 8:50

Ben I bet ''youse'' a beer they lower it a bit.

By: BenDover on 6/8/12 at 8:52

I'd expect you could do well selling them to the Libs this season since, with the exception of Obamacare, our president has been like Bush's 3rd term on steroids.

Invading countries, refusing to close Gitmo like he promised, targeted assignations, continuation of war on terror, multiplying Bush's deficits by 4, giving lip service to making the rich pay their 'fair share' while continuing Bush Tax cuts. I don't see how any self-respecting liberal could pull the lever for this guy.

By: gdiafante on 6/8/12 at 8:54

I agree Ben, it has been Bush's third term. And I was fully prepared to vote for Romney, until I actually paid attention to him. Now, I'll do what most Conservatives did in 2004...I'll hold my nose when I vote and say to myself that the other guy is worse.

I imagine that's what a lot are going to be doing on both sides.

By: BenDover on 6/8/12 at 8:59

Ah... Romney ain't so bad. They make him out to be some kind of nut but he's left of Reagan on social issues and 8 years of Reagan didn't destroy the country like the critics of the day claimed it would.

If Santorum had won the nomination I'd see your point. I do think we need to get someone in there to get their hands around this fiscal mess though.

By: dargent7 on 6/8/12 at 9:01

"Slot machines have a 50% failure like marriages"?
This boy has never been to Vegas. Slot machines pay off .0001% of the time.

By: gdiafante on 6/8/12 at 9:05

That's debatable, Ben. A lot of the fiscal mess can be traced right back to Reagan and his philosophy. Ironically, it seems that that sort of spending not only bankrupted the U.S.S.R but us as well.

By: gdiafante on 6/8/12 at 9:07

Rasp was in Vegas briefly last October, but was kicked out of the Tropicana because he was wearing white pants and a plaid dinner jacket.

I know the whole what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas but people should know...

By: Loner on 6/8/12 at 9:08

Good to be back, Slack.

Ben Dover's 9:52 post does ring true...Ben left out the raids on the medical Marijuana dispensaries in California and elsewhere....it's now being openly acknowledged that Obama OK'd the Stuxnet cyber-attack on Iran....Obama excludes Israel's nuclear arsenal from NPT and IAEA controls while simultaneously allowing Israel to formulate US policy towards Iran and it's alleged nuclear program.

Three more nuclear-powered aircraft carriers are under construction....Nobel Peace Prize, my ass.

Ron Paul has chickened out...no third party run...he wants his son to stay in the good graces of the GOP....they call it "Dynastic Libertarianism"...."Son of Paul" is being groomed for the role of future Messiah.....it's all total BS....Ron Paul is a phony too.

By: Loner on 6/8/12 at 9:09

...and thanks, Rasp, for the fashion advice.....I got some shopping to do.

By: Loner on 6/8/12 at 9:19

It's official:


All those tireless Ron Paul workers have been thrown under the Paul Family Bus....it was all just theater....those suckers actually believed in the guy.....bitter and betrayed, who can his followers turn to? Romney...the draft-dodging war profiteer? No way.

By: Loner on 6/8/12 at 9:21

Gotta run into Albion...Strawberry Festival....see you all later!

By: BenDover on 6/8/12 at 9:23

Take care loner.

By: slacker on 6/8/12 at 9:23

Rasp honed his attire and social skills, at: ''The Nations'' charm center, on charlotte ave. near the Krystal.

By: Loner on 6/8/12 at 9:30

Roger...will comply, Ben......and Slack knows slacks...it's a Slack attack....again, good to be back....think I'll wear a golden yellow ascot and daffodil Hawaiin shirt. with brand new, yellow Chuck Taylors....just in case I slobber the Grey Poupon.

By: slacker on 6/8/12 at 9:38

Loner, don't fotget your dogtags, I know you kept 'em.

By: gdiafante on 6/8/12 at 9:51

Dogtags and a yellow ascot...before the 4th of July?? My god...

By: brrrrk on 6/8/12 at 9:59

Loner said

"Gd is right, government should not be run like a business, because it isn't a business...."

Exactly, government is essentially a non-profit service provider. I wonder, should we put "business men" in charge of religious institutions as well... after all, we don't want them fleecing their flock.

By: slacker on 6/8/12 at 10:00

Some guy will show up wearing nylon white striped socks.

By: brrrrk on 6/8/12 at 10:02

Apparently Romney men aren't good enough to go to war, but they are good enough to profit from it.

By: bfra on 6/8/12 at 10:02

No triple crown winner at Belmont, I'll Have Another is out of the running. Just saw a news special, but they didn't say why.

By: slacker on 6/8/12 at 10:06

I believe they said a tendonitius flare-up.

By: JohnGalt on 6/8/12 at 10:09

Though interesting, these meetings are a fools errand. The Mayor has played the council like a violin by not leaving really enough time between submitting his budget and the deadline to allow for anything but what he demands.

It is evident that he knowingly all along, with the Council's complicity, made no provision to pay the police officers hired with a federal grant with long strings attached after the grant runs out. He obviously intended to pay them through a tax increase while threatening their loss along with two hundred additional officers.

Were Dean on the New York stage he would be nominated for a Tony.

By: bfra on 6/8/12 at 10:11

John - Or get a liar's trophy!

By: gdiafante on 6/8/12 at 11:43

I've seen that trophy, bfra...has a guy with his mouth open and his pants on fire...very cool...

By: slacker on 6/8/12 at 12:16

I will now close out this friday session with Pavarotti singing: ''Nessun Dorma'' for your listening pleasure.
Have a good weekend, and be sure to ''buckle up''

By: gdiafante on 6/8/12 at 12:19

I guess I picked the wrong week to get hearing aids...

Have a good weekend slacker.

By: gdiafante on 6/8/12 at 1:43

Looks like Obama's handing the GOP some campaign material...said the private sector is doing fine...

By: dargent7 on 6/8/12 at 3:01

"I'll Have Another" has tendinitis in his front leg. Out for the Belmont. Damn. I had $5.00 on that horse.
Whereas, our "yogi", has tendinitis of the brain but still continues to post. A real trooper.
Where's Mike Birch's, "Bullshit Friday's" rant?

By: BenDover on 6/8/12 at 4:44

Michael Berry on 1510AM from 5:00p to 7:00p is hysterical.