Up for Debate: Cutting Saturday mail delivery

Thursday, February 7, 2013 at 1:17am

How do you feel about the U.S. Postal Service's plan to scale back mail delivery?

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113 Comments on this post:

By: Ask01 on 2/7/13 at 5:39

I believe this is long overdue.

The savings realized by not having an entire network of carriers crisscrossing the city will be significant just in the fuel savings and less wear and tear on vehicles.

After all, one less day without bills or potential bad news is a good day.

By: gdiafante on 2/7/13 at 6:01

Does anyone still get bills in the mail? I only get junk mail. They could do away with it all and I'd be ok with it.

By: Rasputin72 on 2/7/13 at 6:42

I have lived long enough to see the inefficiency of the post office allow a little package deliver called United Parcel Service drive the government assisted post office almost completely out of the parcel post business.

Individually the post office has some of the most dedicated employees in our country. Collectively the post office may be the most inefficient organizations on our planet.

The two billion dollars that the post office claims as an annual saving by eliminating Saturday delivery is not enough to save the post office from its many years of manufacturing their own demise.

Turn this government entity over to a 1 percenter and within ten years it will be operating as efficiently as UPS.

By: yogiman on 2/7/13 at 6:42

The Postal Service said the would continue delivering packages 6 days a week. So will they continue delivering packages over the same routes? If so, will they save any money by not delivering mail?

And not everyone is "computerized" to get their bills and pay them by computer.

The only real money saving factor would only be having mail sites
(post offices) for the citizens to pick up or drop off their mail.

By: bfra on 2/7/13 at 6:52

First 2 comments made good sense, then the Rasp & yogi had to add their BS.

By: Captain Nemo on 2/7/13 at 6:56

Raspy old boy are you as rich as David Letterman?

By: Rasputin72 on 2/7/13 at 7:06

LONER makes mention of a deteriorating forum. Yesterday there were 180 comments by only 13 people..
This is an accounting of 103 comments bythe trollops of society.

Yogi is the least of your problems when you mention the word trolls.

You have a very very limited pulpit.

By: gdiafante on 2/7/13 at 7:12

Well, let's see here...people using an opinion board to post opinions versus a troll counting the number of posts for each user...now which is more pathetic?

Well, on the bright side, we now know the dipsh!t can count.

By: bfra on 2/7/13 at 7:16

Yeah! Raspy must have been tired of counting his toes.

By: Loner on 2/7/13 at 7:17

Good morning, Nashville.

As a retired Rural Letter Carrier, I know that the USPS people hardest hit by this will be the Substitute Rural Letter Carriers; and they are already near the bottom rung on the postal employment ladder.

These rural subs usually work Saturdays, when the regular carrier takes his/her day off and they work whenever the regular goes on vacation....they survive on these "crumbs" from the banquet table. They become full-time Rural Letter carriers when the regular carrier retires...it often takes years of waiting in line to inherit the regular's job.

These rural subs are not full-time USPS employees and many of them get zero benefits and the time subbing does not count towards retirement.....these subs are going to be the ones who will take home a lot less pay.....no doubt, many will quit, rather than hang around for fewer crumbs.

As usual, when its time to cut the budget, the folks on the bottom of the pyramid are asked to sacrifice the most.

By: Rasputin72 on 2/7/13 at 7:32

LONER......I agree with you. I am perfectly happy with the survival of the fittest society that I grew up with.

Unfortunately once the politians found out you could buy votes with handouts those at the bottom rung of the ladder found they had a voice.

Six of these bottom feeders post on your little forum every day.

Then there is Gdiafante who who works hard every day and is angry beyond belief that his lifetime earnings before taxes will equal the after tax inheritance by my grandsons.

Some people are more fit than others.

Today,there is a Bridge tournaament and a Croquet tournament at the club. Tonight is cocktails, prime rib and gin rummy.

Good Day!

By: bfra on 2/7/13 at 7:37

Raspy - With your memory you have got to really suck at bridge. Now the croquet game, should be right down your feeble alley.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 2/7/13 at 7:37

Rasp sees a bottom feeder every time he looks in the mirror and mistakes it for other people.

By: Loner on 2/7/13 at 7:40

Congress allowed privateers, like UPS, Fed Ex, Airborne etc. to eat the Postal Service's lunch....this had an enormous negative effect on the USP over time.

Congress also placed burdens on the USPS that do not apply to private delivery outfits, especially in the areas of fiduciary responsibilities to its pension plans.

The USPS has four labor unions and one management bargaining group to deal with; they are constantly in contract bargaining mode....this is just one aspect of the unique situation that the Postal Service must deal with.

Fuel costs are a major portion of USPS expenditures; they operate tens of thousands of vehicles every day. This too has to be factored into the equation.

Of course, the internet has had an impact on the US Mail; and the impact has been mostly negative.

The USPS is in a real bind...the Eagle is not healthy....the old bird might not make it....times have changed....it's survival of the fittest and the USPS must evolve, or go extinct.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 2/7/13 at 7:40

I agree that most people pay bills online these days and the only thing I receive in the mail is advertisements and catalogs that I didn't request.

By: bfra on 2/7/13 at 7:44

Amen! I wouldn't need garbage pick-up but every other wk. if it wasn't for junk mail.

By: Loner on 2/7/13 at 7:46

Acronym Error...s//h/b "this had an enormous negative effect on the USPS over time.", in my first paragraph, in my 7:40 post....I had erroneously typed in USP, not USPS.....(United States Postal Service = USPS.)

By: BigPapa on 2/7/13 at 7:54

Personally I think they could cut mail delivery back to 3 days per week for residential, deliver packages 5 days. I could just put my recycle bin in place of my mail box most days.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 2/7/13 at 7:55

Yep, most stuff goes straight to the recycle bin for me too.

By: yogiman on 2/7/13 at 7:55

I love getting junk mail. My American Legion post gathers it up and sells it to put a few bucks in our building fund account. Heck, we even get more for cardboard.

By: Loner on 2/7/13 at 7:56

The term, "junk mail" was verboten in the post office; that was our bread & butter mail. They used to call that stuff, "Third Class Mail"...then, they called it BBM (Bulk Business Mail)....then, they started calling it, "Standard Mail".....but, postal employees do not call junk mail, "junk mail"....at least not while at work.

By: gdiafante on 2/7/13 at 7:59

You do realize that you're the one obsessed with earnings. To paraphrase the great film Wall Street, I don't judge a man by the size of his wallet.

You're just a troll. Nothing to see here folks.

By: gdiafante on 2/7/13 at 7:59

By: yogiman on 2/7/13 at 8:02

Well, I've got to get something done today so I'll leave you with a little question: What do you think of it being OK for your "president" to "play with guns" (target practice) but the common citizens shouldn't? Enjoy it if you can laugh.


By: Loner on 2/7/13 at 8:03

One of my inventions that I neverr got around to building: The combination Mailbox/Paper Shredder..I believe that such a device would have a market in the US. Solar powered....eco-friendly.....why schlep unwanted mail, or privately delivered "Pennysaver" type advertising tabloids, into the house; deal with it at the roadside.

By: gdiafante on 2/7/13 at 8:12

What do you think of it being OK for your "president" to "play with guns" (target practice) but the common citizens shouldn't?

Um...maybe it's consistent with the idea that he's not taking your guns or restricting target practice?

Man, is yogi f'ing stupid or what...

By: Loner on 2/7/13 at 8:14

Rasp plays the role of an arrogant tycoon who despises no-income, or low-income people and a snob who barely tolerates the working class. He claims to be a one-percenter...in the top one percent of income-earners and a man with considerable wealth, property and savings. It's all he talks about....his eternal bragging, about his claimed wealth, is annoying and boring.

Is this contempt for the 99% supposed to infuriate us? Are we supposed to take the bait and go into a feeding frenzy of class warfare? I mean, what is the point?

If this BS is an attempt to flame the NCP posting community, it has failed....if anyone got burnt in the flaming attempt, it was Rasputin himself....he has zero credibility...he is a troll...and a lousy troll at that.

By: bfra on 2/7/13 at 8:15

gdiafante - Good response! I haven't seen anything about target practice or shooting ranges being restricted. This STUPID TROLL can make some of the dumbest comments!

By: Blanketnazi2 on 2/7/13 at 8:19

The people who are obsessed with money are usually the ones who do not have it. The same when it comes to class and status.

By: bfra on 2/7/13 at 8:21

Blanket - That is probably the most telling aspect of Raspy! He comes up short in a lot of catagories

By: slacker on 2/7/13 at 8:23

Loner.. you've explained the icy stare, and curt reply I got, when I asked my mail carrier if she would skip me with the junk mail. Who knew the J word would trigger postal anxiety?

By: BenDover on 2/7/13 at 8:31

I wish they'd cut residential delivery to 2 days a week and rotate it out by area. I've said this for years.

By: budlight on 2/7/13 at 8:32

By: yogiman on 2/7/13 at 7:55
I love getting junk mail. My American Legion post gathers it up and sells it to put a few bucks in our building fund account. Heck, we even get more for cardboard.

So Yogi, where would I drop off my junk mail and cardboard for the American Legion closest to me in Antioch?

Regarding mailing a letter for 44 cents, I have always said that the post office is the best deal in town because where else can you get the goods (stamp) and the services (delivery) for only 44 cents.

I remember when we used to only get mail on M-F. I do not have a dog in the Saturday fight, except I had to see those substitutes Loner mentioned lose their jobs. I used to give my letter carrier a gift at christmas of $, but since the big construction layoffs, I can't afford that any longer.

By: Loner on 2/7/13 at 8:32

Slack...I understand. People often ask their carrier to skip the junk mail....this cannot be done, because we work for the person who paid the postage, not the postal patron.

They used to call me, "The Sloganmaster General", because I won so many USPS slogan contests. Some of my best and most useful slogans were never published, but we used them in our office anyway; and your post reminds me of one that applies...here it is: "Postage has been paid. Delivery will be made."

I got a million of 'em. Jingle James @ your service.

By: slacker on 2/7/13 at 8:38

Hey Sidney.. I'm thinking 800 lbs. of junk mail.. will fetch about 38 cents.
But good intentions mean everything.

By: BenDover on 2/7/13 at 8:39

That said, the USPS is a machine. Passing every house every day, if you've got the volume to support it, is a fantastic mechanism and prior to e'mail and fax communication it was a fantastic innovation. It's like the old ATM network architecture... built to deliver large amounts of data to the broadest audience of clients.

Since the critical mass of data and packages being delivered is smaller more of a hub and star approach seems to suit the the task.

If they could somehow increase the price on unsolicited mail it might justify keeping the 5 days of delivery but if not I think 2 days a week for residential could substantially reduce the costs of delivery.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 2/7/13 at 8:43

By: budlight on 2/7/13 at 8:32
Regarding mailing a letter for 44 cents, I have always said that the post office is the best deal in town because where else can you get the goods (stamp) and the services (delivery) for only 44 cents

I agree. Where else do you get that kind of service for 44 cents! I still use USPS to mail packages that are not urgent. You also have to use USPS for PO addresses.

By: gdiafante on 2/7/13 at 8:45

That's what I would do, blanket, for those who want paper mail, they get a PO Box and pick it up themselves. Those who don't...time to recycle the mailbox.

Of course, the mailbox industry will be destroyed...

By: Loner on 2/7/13 at 8:46

Ben, the sorting cases would not hold all the mail that would accumulate in the interim between deliveries...it's the physics of it. My route had over 700 mailboxes to service; that means 700 separations in the carrier's sorting case...700 pigeon holes....these slots can only be so big, or the sorting case would be a total wrap-around, huge affair.

My sorting table had 3 cases...one on your right, one straight ahead and one on your left....7 shelves per case....21 shelves total and each shelf further subdivided into separations or slots.... usually, two residential addressees share a single separation...so space is tight. One day's mail fills the case quite full...stuffing two days of mail into the same case is tough...3 day's worth would be nearly impossible.

And then the double load has to be schlepped and stuffed into the mailboxes....glad I'm out of there.

By: slacker on 2/7/13 at 8:48

True that nazi. The Postal service is still vital to people in small rural towns, who still conduct all their business by mail.

By: tomba1 on 2/7/13 at 8:52

The USPS needs another Carvin' Marvin Runyun to shake things up. They haven't been the same since his tenure.

By: Loner on 2/7/13 at 9:02

Dropping a delivery day is like damning up a river....dropping 2 delivery days per week would create an even bigger reservoir of backed-up mail....when delivery resumes, a torrent of mail flows down the river of mail...its what we mailmen call the mailstream...when delivery resumes after a Monday holiday, it's a flood... and everybody earns their pay.

The mailstream keeps flowing, folks, no matter whether or not there is delivery on any particular day...it never stops....US Mail is in the air, on the trucks, on the trains, whatever...and it is headed for your local post office....24 hours per day, 7 days per week and 365 days per year.

By: Loner on 2/7/13 at 9:04

Tomba...you must be a postal worker...Carvin' Marvin was notorious.

By: Loner on 2/7/13 at 9:10

I have offered this reasonable and modest suggestion: The Postmaster General should be an elected position. Usually, the position is given as a political plum to a fundraiser, or some such deal.

Let candidates run for the office...let them offer their proposals to the voting public...a four-year term sounds about right. Re-election would be results-based.

Since we are all affected by the US Mail, we voters should all have a say so in who runs the thing....any "Amens" on that?

By: Loner on 2/7/13 at 9:21

Just so we all have some of the actual facts to deal with, I Googled: "US Constitution Post Office".....I got results....here is the Wikipedia:

The United States Postal Service (USPS), also known as the Post Office and U.S. Mail, is an independent agency of the United States government responsible for providing postal service in the United States. It is one of the few government agencies explicitly authorized by the United States Constitution. The USPS traces its roots to 1775 during the Second Continental Congress, where Benjamin Franklin was appointed the first postmaster general. The cabinet-level Post Office Department was created in 1792 from Franklin's operation and transformed into its current form in 1971 under the Postal Reorganization Act.

The USPS employs over 574,000 workers and operates over 260,000 vehicles.[4] The USPS is the operator of the largest vehicle fleet in the world.[5] The USPS is legally obligated to serve all Americans, regardless of geography, at uniform price and quality. The USPS has exclusive access to letter boxes marked "U.S. Mail" and personal letterboxes in the United States, but still competes against private package delivery services, such as UPS and FedEx.

The USPS has not directly received taxpayer-dollars since the early 1980s with the minor exception of subsidies for costs associated with the disabled and overseas voters. Since the 2006 all-time peak mail volume,[6] after which Congress passed the Postal Accountability and Enhancement Act",[7] (which mandated $5.5 billion per year to be paid into an account to pre-fund retiree health-care, 75 years into the future—a requirement unique to this agency[citation needed]), revenue dropped sharply due to recession-influenced[8] declining mail volume,[9] prompting the postal service to look to other sources of revenue while cutting costs to reduce its budget deficit.[10]

(End Wiki)


By: slacker on 2/7/13 at 9:23

Loner, it seems to me, the best course the govt. could take.. would be to sell all the postal locations, and equipment, to a private entity such as Fed-Ex.
This would of course, have to be a well thought out plan, with the buyer required to place reserve funds in a trust in case of default.

By: BenDover on 2/7/13 at 9:28

Free market wit-master walks into a Postal Annex Watering Hole... orders up a Union-Buster with a twist of lime.

By: Loner on 2/7/13 at 9:38

I guess it's like a lot of things...do you want an agent of the US government delivering your 1st class mail, or somebody working for a non-union, for-profit, cherry-picking outfit that may not vet job-seekers like the Postal Service does?

Government-run prisons, or privately-owned, for-profit prisons? US Army, or privately-owned, for-profit Blackwater? US Postal Service, or privately-owned, for-profit Fed Ex?

There are some things that government does best and some things that the capitalist system does best....IMO, the USPS needs our support; the special interests are beating up and piling on the old Eagle...the noble bird has served us well....the young and hungry buzzards are not eagles....let the eagle soar.

By: slacker on 2/7/13 at 9:42

lol ben. I can imagine a bar with retired postmen hanging out, swapping war stories, still wearing their postal Bermuda shorts & black socks.
''So I told that sob.. its not junkmailll!!!.. lol

By: Loner on 2/7/13 at 9:45

Postal Annex Watering Hole = PAWH....in the postal service, everything gets an acronym, Ben. Postal unions cannot strike...they are the weakest unions in existence...especially the Rural's union....they are already busted, Ben.

BTW, is a wit-master the same thing as a witticist? Witticisms can be dangerous...use with caution.