Up for Debate: Davidson primary battles heat up

Monday, July 16, 2012 at 1:06am

What are your predictions for the upcoming Davidson County primaries? How much if any ground will Democrats lose in what has historically been a blue stronghold?

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124 Comments on this post:

By: brrrrk on 7/16/12 at 12:30

yogi,

Don't worry, you can keep your horseless carriage....

By: BenDover on 7/16/12 at 12:37

Anyone who's looked at it seriously knows meaningful alternative energy to petroleum and coal is a decade or two away... and to ignore coal in the long-term for grid power serves only the political purpose to neuter the USA's economy.

By: gdiafante on 7/16/12 at 12:41

It's always a decade or two away...I remember them saying the same thing in the 1970's...

By: yogiman on 7/16/12 at 12:49

But remember the "old" days when they fueled trains with wood, then went to coal and now diesel? Remember when the first plane was flown? How big it was? How many passenger's the first ones could carry?

There's been much expansion in the ease of society. How many of you remember when wood and coal was all you had to heat your home with or cook your meals?

How many of you remember when you didn't have a bus to get back and forth to school?

Think back to what history says about this nation when it began and the advancements it's had up 'til today.

Next year we will either be advancing more, or on the degrade cycle to communism.

By: dargent7 on 7/16/12 at 12:53

Ok, fellas, you win.
Obama can't catch a break from you rabid Republicans.
Guy's born in Hawaii, not that 90% of you idiots even know where that state is. Yes, it's a state, as in 50th.
You say he's not born in Hawaii, he's born in Kenya.
You tell me how a Kenyan born immigrant can come to the United States, teach at Harvard, the most prestigious college in America since 1890, and become President?
If so, it just shows how F*** idiots we all are.
He teaches at Harvard, yet you same idiots say he didn't really go to college. Just walked into a classroom and started, "teaching".
You want to see his academic records, his birth cert., his transcripts, his ACT's, and his SAT's. Well, I want to see Reagan's, Carters, Ford's, LBJ's , and GW Bush's.
Your arguments show that either America is dumber than a pile of dirt to elect a Kenyan as President, or you're all dumber than dirt. Can't have it both ways. It's one or the other.
Either way, you lose the argument.

By: brrrrk on 7/16/12 at 12:54

gdiafante said

"It's always a decade or two away...I remember them saying the same thing in the 1970's..."

Take it from me.... there's plenty of stuff in the pipeline that we don't have a clue about. I did some contract work for GM several years ago and had access to parts of one of the plants that outsiders don't get a chance to see. While there, I saw a prototype for a car that wasn't going to hit the lines for another 5 years. Ever wonder why the auto industry was able to respond so quickly with hybrids?

By: BenDover on 7/16/12 at 12:56

Nanotech and ultra-capacitors will be a check-mate. We'll be able to recharge in minutes and there won't be any charge-shunting in the regenerative capacity of braking.

Brrrrk's points about electric being far superior to the internal combustion engine are spot on; and when we solve the weight/density problem of storing energy in electricity there will no longer be any substantial need for petrol beyond industrial and agricultural uses for the chemical derivatives.

Hybrids make good sense because the ICE can operate entirely in it's optimal power curve and supply electric motors with batteries for the buffers of quick acceleration / deceleration. The speed of battery recovery and the battery capacity are just not there yet; but ultra-capacitors will solve that with the next 20 years.

Having computer controlled electric motors with it's zero rpm maximum torque capacity and an electric power supply with the density and capacity to release energy at a weight equivalent to a gasoline ICE is going to eat, alive, anything on the street, strip or track. Just the potential to have the computer controlled all-wheel-drive at the wheel rather than suffering the overhead of clutches, gearing and drive-train will offer a substantial early advantage.

By: gdiafante on 7/16/12 at 1:04

That's all good and well Ben, but can they fly?

By: brrrrk on 7/16/12 at 1:16

BenDover said

"Having computer controlled electric motors with it's zero rpm maximum torque capacity and an electric power supply with the density and capacity to release energy at a weight equivalent to a gasoline ICE is going to eat, alive, anything on the street, strip or track."

I remember watching a show a few years back where a bunch of gear heads decided to try to build an electric dragster. The first time they tried it, the torque from the electric motor was so great during the initial acceleration that it broke the axle.

By: brrrrk on 7/16/12 at 1:22

Speaking of electric dragsters, how about an electric beetle that goes from 0 to 60 in 1.6 seconds....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLGTqKHQ7Ow&feature=player_embedded

By: BenDover on 7/16/12 at 1:23

In time, I think so, gd. It's all about weight and density of the power supply.

The ICE in flying has an advantage because the engines are not slowing down and speeding up a lot so they do most of their work in the engine's optimal power band; unlike cars that run the whole spectrum.

Trains have been using diesel / electric hybrid power-trains for decades now because the weight of a transmission that would optimize the power-band of the engines was far greater than the generators and electric motors that give zero RPM torque and direct and gradual / incremental control to speed of the wheels on the track.

By: BenDover on 7/16/12 at 1:45

I guess, too, with airplanes... and to a lesser all electric vehicles you'd need to consider too that with petroleum you only suffer the full weight of the fuel when you take off and then it diminishes in weight and drain on the system as approach your destination. With the battery/ultra-capacitor apparatus this would not be the case.

By: slacker on 7/16/12 at 2:02

''My little GTOoooooo ultra-capacitor goooooooo....''
-The deceased ''Ronny and the Daytonas''

By: bfra on 7/16/12 at 2:03

By: slacker on 7/16/12 at 12:59

bfra.. its not to late.. you can still be redeemed. Come over to the right side and vote ''Mittens''
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I would have to vote a write-in for my Jack Russell first.

By: BenDover on 7/16/12 at 2:23

Solid state batteries, when they solve the density problem, are going to kick @$$. It's just a matter of time.

That will move a lot more of the energy demand to the power grid though, which also isn't ready for it.

Additionally taking Nuclear and Coal off the table for feeding the power grid in America is defeating and moronic.

By: Captain Nemo on 7/16/12 at 3:16

By: slacker on 7/16/12 at 12:24
We're gonna be fracked either way it goes.. gdiafante.

S[pot on slackers

By: Captain Nemo on 7/16/12 at 3:24

By: gdiafante on 7/16/12 at 1:41
It's always a decade or two away...I remember them saying the same thing in the 1970's...

Reagan killed alterative fuel the day he was elected. We could have been farther down the road by now if it had not been for him.

By: Captain Nemo on 7/16/12 at 3:30

By: BenDover on 7/16/12 at 3:23
Solid state batteries, when they solve the density problem, are going to kick @$$. It's just a matter of time.

Like I said fossil fuel will be they way of the Dinosaurs, unless we get someone in office that has strong ties to Big Oil.

By: BenDover on 7/16/12 at 4:05

I'm all for making smart non-political investments into new technologies Nemo.

I'm not for screwing with the market in order to make the old technology more costly and the new more beneficial though, Nemo. That's just another regressive tax on the energy consumer.

By: parnell3rd on 7/16/12 at 4:33

If you claimed to make alternate energy and you or your company contributed money to BHO's campaign, then you were rewarded with millions of our dollars and allowed to file for bankrupcy, then blame the Chinese.

By: Rasputin72 on 7/16/12 at 5:37

BENDOVER.....Having been an electrical industry entrepreneur for most of my life I want to commend you on reducing the conversation about the complexities of the electric motor driven automobile to its lowest common denominator.

You have the equation exactly correct. When that happens and "someday" it will the stock I hold in Exxon and Conoco-Phillips will not be worth nearly so much. Unfortunately the 20 years you mention may be a little optimistic. It took 75 years to get an AC motor that would allow variable speed through electric or electronic control or as you so aptly put it to have full load torgue at zero rpm.

The weight problem is very severe. The electrical storage problem is still very severe. The automobile companies are neophytes when it comes to anything other than mechanical and metal bending. The auto industry is not noted for wanting to pay for anything. They have been so accustomed to beating hell out of their suppliers that the companies that could cut the develpment time by a half to a third want to be paid for their research big time. The auto people are agog and intolerant and indignant that anyone would not cater to their needs.

The whiz kids could give a damn about the automobile companies right now. If Obama had given the money to several companies I am familar with that he gave to the solar company who went out of business nine months after the government grant we would alread have cut the wait time for the answer to your equation by a third.

By: BenDover on 7/16/12 at 7:13

Rasputin... yep... the distinctions between politics, emotion and real logic as I see it. Agree.

By: BenDover on 7/16/12 at 7:40

Brrrrk. I'd encourage you to read Abolition of Man. I considered myself very clinical and analytical like yourself and agreed with much of what you say before I did read it. I consider myself very clinical and analytical now but don't so much agree with what you think anymore.

By: parnell3rd on 7/16/12 at 10:29

Good night Nashville!!! I hope every one has a great week!! Time to retire to sleep to start my work week. I had a very nice motorcycle ride this evening with a great lightning show!! But, I got my 2 wheels back indoors!!!