Up for Debate: Dean considers Schools' budget

Sunday, April 15, 2012 at 9:42pm

Do you believe Mayor Karl Dean will be able to, or should, fund the proposed Metro Schools' budget?

79 Comments on this post:

By: dargent7 on 4/16/12 at 5:50

Cannot believe the Preds beat the Red Wings. Game 4 at Detroit is a must see.

By: Rasputin72 on 4/16/12 at 6:00

One can fool themselves into thinking that paying starting teachers $40,000 dollars a year will improve the quality of education in Davidson County. One can also fool themselves into thinking that the Davidson County student population as a group are that interested in education as we know it.

Free lunches and free breakfast are the beckoning call along with a law that says you must stay in school until age 17 are the barometers of interest in 65% of the student population.

By: Loner on 4/16/12 at 6:03

Good morning, Nashville.

Another 49 million beyond last year's budget?

I read the main article and I gotta ask, why are they hiring 100 new teachers at 40K each to meet an increase of 1,600 new students? One teacher for every 16 students? Sounds like Register's BS.

Notice how the school board voted unanimously to give Register all that he asked for...you gotta shake up the board...they look like docile toadies, not stewards and trustees.

By: gdiafante on 4/16/12 at 6:05

You can't believe that, Darge? You also thought Weber was going to get suspended. Game 4 will be epic.

Rasputin, I'm all for paying good teachers what they're worth. Then again, a good teacher is priceless. And please, don't lump everyone in the same boat. That's something only the riff-raff would do.

By: Loner on 4/16/12 at 6:13

Did not see the entire lengthy and convoluted budget.....Maybe the increase in the school budget is to hire hi-paid Theologians to teach Biology?

Maybe it's to hire Sons of the Confederacy activists to teach American History?

Perhaps its for fire-arms training for the teachers and staff?

Maybe there's money in that budget for K-9 units to come in and sniff lockers?

Up here, schools are dealing with increased energy costs for heating the buildings and fueling the fleets of buses etc....apparently, that's not a big factor in Nashville?

By: gdiafante on 4/16/12 at 6:19

That's an issue, Loner, but it's more fun to insult the teachers/students and discuss the curriculum. You know, not address the real issues.

By: BenDover on 4/16/12 at 6:21

Oh Great.... Williamson County tax rates AND crappy schools.

By: BenDover on 4/16/12 at 7:16

The new tenure law should help improve school performance state-wide. Hopefully Nashville will benefit from it. I say we hire the 100 new ones and then start chipping away at the bottom 10% of performers who''ve been coasting on that tenure train for the biggest part of their careers.

By: gdiafante on 4/16/12 at 7:25

I don't have a problem with that, Ben. I'd also like to see them shift away from "teaching to the test", but we know that won't happen.

By: BenDover on 4/16/12 at 7:28

We used to have a model where I worked for evaluation of someone for a potential assignment. "Can he? Will he?". It's just a reminder that someone's credentials are only half of the story... and that results (even when they are an imperfect measure in the face of various adversity) are a better measure than credentials.

By: BenDover on 4/16/12 at 7:36

I think the core issue that is so appalling is that they have to resort to teaching the tests for minimum standards because the system has become so terrible overall. It's lipstick on the pig that public education has evolved into.

By: gdiafante on 4/16/12 at 7:40

Probably, but I don't believe that the entire blame should go to the system. I think there are socio-economic factors at work here too.

Everyone seems to daydream about how it was 20 or 30 years ago, but America was different then. Back then, one parent could actually afford to stay home and both were willing to give guidance to the child. Now, if it's a two-parent home, both have to work and (let's be honest), the guidance just isn't there. In essence, kids are raising themselves and if given a choice, they don't want education.

By: BenDover on 4/16/12 at 7:54

What I saw with my kids coming through the system was that the cultural pact between teacher and parent had been destroyed. A teacher back when I was going to school would never say my parents were idiots for smoking, or drinking or having a different political view about the economy or the environment. This happened with appalling regularity with my kids and it undermined our authority over them substantially. There's enough natural pressure for kids to think their parents are idiots without the school systems adding to it.

Ironically it's all the social engineering, either rote in the curriculum or applied by the personal conviction of people insulated from the real world of having to produce actual results; that has undermined children's behavior in school. As is usually the case their cure is the cause.

Then the schools would sit back and shrug as if saying, "meh... what can we do?".

I'll tell you what you can do... you can do what the rest of us are required to do and triumph over adversity or lose your job and be replaced with someone else who will

By: Rasputin72 on 4/16/12 at 7:55

Gdiafante......I tried to be fair with my comments. I did not lump "everyone" into the sentence. If you will re-read you will see that I mention 65% not 100%.

By: dargent7 on 4/16/12 at 8:00

Gd: I just go by the number of octopus's (Garden) thrown on the ice before game time.
Supersticious, that way, I guess.
Or, is it octopi'?

By: Rasputin72 on 4/16/12 at 8:02

Gdiafante....I don't always agree with your comments but I am impressed with your ability to express yourself. In that vein, I am wondering just how you determine "riff-raft" " Is riff-raft something that was pre-determined by your childhood experience or just a sub-jective view?

It becomes increasingly hard for me to determine riff-raft as I see about as much riff-raft in monied and politically connected people as I see in the ghetto.

I am beginning to think that riff-raft is what one wants to call riff-raft.

Would you agree with that?

By: BenDover on 4/16/12 at 8:17

And for the record I never, ever, ever undermined a teacher's authority with my child. Nor did I undermine the authority of my crazy ex-wife, though that was an even tougher job. (not that the teachers or my ex ever reciprocated)

It was the closest thing to a prime directive I had when raising my kids.

By: gdiafante on 4/16/12 at 8:17

Ben, would you say that is the norm? Personally, I have never experienced a teacher making judgment on things like that, which doesn't mean it doesn't happen, but just how often would you say that happens? I'd bet not often.

Though, with social media, we probably know more about teachers thoughts than we did ten years ago.

Rasp, did you not post this: One can also fool themselves into thinking that the Davidson County student population as a group are that interested in education as we know it.

By: Captain Nemo on 4/16/12 at 8:46

Cost of living goes up, but teachers and other government employees pay level seems to stay the same. Mean while in the corporate CEO get colossal bonuses on top of enormous yearly salaries.

The idea is to keep the poor uneducated and under control.

By: Captain Nemo on 4/16/12 at 8:48

Ben, smoking is stupid and drinking too much does make people foolish.

By: pswindle on 4/16/12 at 8:54

Taxes are always raised in the name of education. If education had all of the money raised in their name, money would runnth over.

By: gdiafante on 4/16/12 at 8:58

You can have all the money in the world but it has to be utilized correctly. That's the problem.

By: BenDover on 4/16/12 at 9:00

But it's for the CHEEEIIIIILLLLLLDDDRRREEEEENNNN!!!, pswindle.

By: Captain Nemo on 4/16/12 at 9:02

If the taxes were using for the schools and not for police, fire, publics works, we could have a world class education system. All other government functions could be private and if you don’t pay your house could burn down. Now if you did not pay for the police then you would have to defend yourself and if you were killed then your attacker would get a free ride.

By: BenDover on 4/16/12 at 9:04

I'll blame that on the 19th amendment again... but I have modified my position on repealing it.

I was looking at the presidential portraits the other day and they were one ugly lot before women got the right to vote. Just for international impression alone, I guess women should have some say in who gets to be president of these United States.

By: Captain Nemo on 4/16/12 at 9:07

By: BenDover on 4/16/12 at 10:00
But it's for the CHEEEIIIIILLLLLLDDDRRREEEEENNNN!!!, pswindle

That is so right-wing crazy talk, Ben. lol

By: BenDover on 4/16/12 at 9:08

lol

By: slacker on 4/16/12 at 9:15

I think most people in Davidson county realizes the Mayor will ask for a tax hike. The usual struggle drama of where to cut, will continue for a bit. They will trot out the usual suspects: police, fire, and of course the children. The debt was refinanced last year to avoid asking for a hike in an election year. Resist all you want its gonna happen. Death, taxes, and bike trails, are a certainty for Nashvillians.

By: Captain Nemo on 4/16/12 at 9:18

I need to start cycling again, but the cost of a bi-cycle….oy!

By: slacker on 4/16/12 at 9:19

Yeah .. I know, certain businesses get's tax breaks, but its for your own good. Some day you'll realize the govt. knows best.

By: slacker on 4/16/12 at 9:20

Nemo, go frolic in the new water park.. you'll feel like a kid again.

By: yogiman on 4/16/12 at 9:23

BenDover,

Our whole problem today is the national congress. When I was a child in school back in the 30s and 40s the teacher could whip your ass if you misbehaved and you didn't want your parents to find out about it because you'd get a worse whipping at home. It was seen as you embarrassing your parents by your actions.

And the first day of school each year we went in to find out what we would be studying that year. We would then go to a privately owned book store and buy your books.

Then the government came along and decided all children should be taught the same subjects and the government would furnish the books; it effect put all book store owners out of business.

So what does all students learning the same subjects tell you? To me, and especially the way we are today, it means communism in our near future.

By: Captain Nemo on 4/16/12 at 9:29

Our whole problem today is the national congress. When I was a child in school back in the 30s and 40s the teacher could whip your ass if you misbehaved and you didn't want your parents to find out about it because you'd get a worse whipping at home. It was seen as you embarrassing your parents by your actions.

That is called assault and battery. I suppose you would beat your children and then lock them in the closet.

By: BenDover on 4/16/12 at 9:31

All this conditioning in tolerance, diversity and social awareness leaves little room anymore for readin', writin' and arithmetic.

By: gdiafante on 4/16/12 at 9:33

I disagree Nemo. Spanking or paddling the child is not child abuse. That's part of the problem.

By: slacker on 4/16/12 at 9:35

Ben, so true. Political correctness indoctrination, is expensive, and time consumed from the 3 r's.

By: BenDover on 4/16/12 at 9:38

Not to mention the down side of often undermining the teaching of very reasonable parents and contradicting their authority.

By: gdiafante on 4/16/12 at 9:43

Ben, that should be decided at the beginning of the school year, with the teacher and parents setting the parameters. Again, it goes to parent(s) not taking the time and teachers not reaching out. I don't blame just one.

By: BenDover on 4/16/12 at 9:43

From the time my kids were about twelve until they turned about 20 I got stupider and stupider. The assist from their teachers in the matter was really unnecessary and quite destructive to the whole process.

Now it seems that I get smarter every year though. And they are telling the grandkids now all of the things they ignored when I was telling them back then.

By: BenDover on 4/16/12 at 9:44

It's the new cycle of life.

By: slacker on 4/16/12 at 9:45

Yogi.. I don't think Ward Cleaver spanked the Beaver.

By: BenDover on 4/16/12 at 9:50

He was hard on the Beaver sometimes though.

By: BenDover on 4/16/12 at 9:53

Oh... and suck-it Darge... take 'em squidbillies back to DeeeTroit... the catfish eats octopi.

By: Captain Nemo on 4/16/12 at 9:53

My daughter was never spanked and she is about to graduate. My next door neighbor’s two daughters were never spanked and one is a Medical doctor and the other is a teacher. There are other ways of disabling children that work. I have many examples. The parent has to be the adult and find what is best

By: slacker on 4/16/12 at 9:55

Water-boarding works well, and doesn't leave any marks.

By: Captain Nemo on 4/16/12 at 9:59

Beating only leads to more beatings and then standing your ground when it is not necessary to do so. I got to go.

By: Captain Nemo on 4/16/12 at 10:01

LOL slacker

By: gdiafante on 4/16/12 at 10:02

That's great Nemo. Whatever works. But, I'm sure there are just as many who are successful who were spanked. Yours truly comes to mind...

In fact, I think I still hold the record for being paddled the most in one day. 7th grade. Got paddled in every class, we had 6 periods.

Fact: the one that hurt the worst was the female teacher.

By: Loner on 4/16/12 at 10:03

Just back from a trip to Hammondsport, NY...on Keuka Lake...great weekend getaway. In search of the perfect vignoles.

It's in the 80's here...folks are going nuts, of course.

By: BenDover on 4/16/12 at 10:04

Usually spanking isn't very effective after they are 6 or 7 years old. Up 'til then whippin' that a$$ is quite an attention-getter though. Quick... to the point... and there's no question that the behavior was unacceptable.

My ex was nuts because her parents played mind games with her to control her. "Oh... you hurt your mother so much when you ____ ". She was a flippin' basket case.

I think a coach with a paddle and a bad reputation is something every Jr High School can use to keep the boys in order though.

No offense yogi. Sounds like you found the perfect balance for you.