Up for Debate: Diminished Democrats

Monday, May 28, 2012 at 11:18pm

Will Tennessee Democrats ever parallel their once formidable power in the General Assembly or has the shift in state political power permanently turned Tennessee from blue to red? How long will the current Republican power continue as is?

77 Comments on this post:

By: yogiman on 5/28/12 at 11:36

It's more like there's two parties in name only. I watched three shows this past weekend that are quite awakening as to what we have in political parties. They were 'riseupforamerica.com', 'evidencevault.blogspot.com' and 'youtube.com/watch?v=ojmOESqVeak&feathers=youtu.be'.

They are long but well worth watching. Is that where this country is headed?

By: Rasputin72 on 5/29/12 at 3:35

The Democrats are the party of the future in this country. It will take them a little longer in the state of Tennessee. The demise of the United States of America is going to make "free stuff" by every government local,state and national the top issue for every future politician. The Republicans (or the productive class) will shrink to a whimper.

By: dargent7 on 5/29/12 at 4:20

If Willard "Mitt" Romney wins the National election this Nov. it will give momentum to every state and local Republican.
His , "I don't care about the poor", "I like to fire people", and "my wife chose to stay at home and drove two Cadillacs", shows how out of touch he is with the middle class and below.
Like all Republicans.

By: BenDover on 5/29/12 at 4:25

With the Democrats' penchant for rewarding failure and putting good intentions over results it's no wonder the situation they are in. Like abortion, the gay rights issue, and devotion to civil service and union workers that always bite the hands that feed them; it's a Darwinian flaw in their constitution and natural selection will take its course.

Instead of replacing good ole Chip they gave him a 33% raise last year in the wake of dismal election performances up to about a buck and a quarter a year. They operate under flawed premises and I don't foresee any substantial change in the next 2 or 3 cycles.

By: Ask01 on 5/29/12 at 4:43

I have been around long enough, (though not nearly as long as some others,) to realize everything in life is cyclic.

The Democrats will return to power eventually, in fact, perhaps sooner than most believe.

For one example, I believe as so many in the middle class have fallen, or find themselves in danger of falling, to lower economic standards, they have recognized the Republican party has supported not them, but the corporate and business concerns which have cut employment while still posting record profits and awarding obscene compensation packages to upper management.

For another, the people have had enough with the antics of the Republican led legislature concentrating on pet projects while ignoring important issues.

So, I say to the Democrats, don't worry, the pendulum will swing back. At the same time, I caution them to learn the middle of the road people and appeal to that segment of society. Don't be swept to the far extremes of party doctrine and greatness could once again grace the party.

By: dargent7 on 5/29/12 at 4:46

"With the Democrats' "penchant" for rewarding failure...." for a minute there I thought you were writing Jesus Christ's, Mohandas Gandhi's, or Mother Teresa's biography.

By: Rasputin72 on 5/29/12 at 5:33

DARGENT7.......;;Remember this! You are where you are because of what you have failed to accomplish. I think you are young enough however to see yourself and those like you firmly in charge of this country........You will be surprised however that you will still be a day late and several dollars short.

By: BenDover on 5/29/12 at 5:36

Where the Democrats seem to fail on the issue of caring is that they don't seem to understand the 80/20 rule... they don't seem to accept any argument of a greater good... and they demand immediate recompense rather than incremental, in a world that can never be 100% just.

These are all historically flawed reasonings which do more harm than good to those they purport to wish to help; but the mantra of good intentions always trumps results in the hearts of the Democrats. If there was any middle ground here I wish that Democrats could share this understanding. These ideals are great on the strategy level but tactically and operationally they serve mostly to shrink the economic pie upon which we all depend, they foster a discontent that harms, most, the discontented, and they reward mainly a political industry built on a flawed zero-sum model that is incongruous with what has created the most advanced and altruistic society of all world history by virtue of the fact that we have excesses with which to address the challenges of poverty, environment, and injustice.

By: yogiman on 5/29/12 at 6:05

I hate to tell you guys this, but we are fast approaching a one world government.

Just consider our Constitution; the congress was set up to "take care" of the people. When was it decided they take care of a party? How could a man be put in the Oval Office when no one knows who he is? Ignorance? I think not. Just one more step in the direction.

Much is being said about the illegal aliens coming into the USA today. The question shold be: Why has it not been stopped by other presidents in office decades ago.

If you're prepared for a one world government, relax, it is speeding up today.

By: dargent7 on 5/29/12 at 6:32

Rasp: Everytime you use a metaphor to answer a Republican's "truth", it sails right over your heads'.
What did Jesus "fail to accomplish"? I guess getting crucified before He completed His ministry was His fault.

By: govskeptic on 5/29/12 at 6:39

The large Democratic majority in the Tenn Legislature lasted for decades and
produced cronies in leadership and state policies that served only the chosen!
The current infant Republican Majority is just getting started! So far they are
letting the same lobbyist such as liquor, telecommunication and road
construction have their say versus the public good. Mr. Forrester and his
Merry Band of followers have said nor proposed anything of value to the
consumers and voters to change anything thus far!

By: Captain Nemo on 5/29/12 at 7:01

By: Rasputin72 on 5/29/12 at 6:33
DARGENT7.......;;Remember this! You are where you are because of what you have failed to accomplish.

I for one am never satisfied at where I am, but I will never step on innocent people lives or still to improve my status in life.

By: BenDover on 5/29/12 at 6:36
Where the Democrats seem to fail on the issue of caring is that they don't seem to understand the 80/20 rule... they don't seem to accept any argument of a greater good... and they demand immediate recompense rather than incremental, in a world that can never be 100% just.

What is the greater good…to keep people depressed and therefore in control?

By: yogiman on 5/29/12 at 7:05
I hate to tell you guys this, but we are fast approaching a one world government.

If yogi’s prophecy is as good as his history, then we have nothing to worry about. The only difference is that he and others forget what he said.

By: Loner on 5/29/12 at 7:02

Good morning, Nashville.

I hope that everyone had a great weekend..I sure did.

UFD Questions of the day: Will Tennessee Democrats ever parallel their once formidable power in the General Assembly or has the shift in state political power permanently turned Tennessee from blue to red? How long will the current Republican power continue as is?

Politics in the Volunteer State has always been race-based and faith-based....Tennessee never repented of its original sins....the Grand Old Party invited the Southern Segregationists to join their fold, back in 1968 and the racists took Nixon up on his offer....the election of a black man to the US Presidency was the last straw in the Bible Belt..

The Solid South is now solidly Republican and the redistricting lines will consolidate their hold for decades to come.

That's the ugly and unvarnished truth....hate sells in Dixie.

By: Captain Nemo on 5/29/12 at 7:02

The gov and I agree.

By: Captain Nemo on 5/29/12 at 7:04

Amen Loner.

By: Captain Nemo on 5/29/12 at 7:06

BTW Holy Wars Zuck!!

By: yogiman on 5/29/12 at 7:21

I beg to differ with you, Loner. You say Tennessee has always been race based and faith based. While I will agree with you on being faith based, where did Tennessee get 'Volunteer State' as their nickname?

Wasn't it because they had so many extra men who volunteered for service in the Civil War to free the slaves?

Wait, I'm sorry, I guess that would be a race based issue.

By: Loner on 5/29/12 at 7:27

In case you missed it, Captain, our pastor used that line to inspire his Memorial Day sermon ...I was quite flattered.

Here's the link:

http://pullmanmemorial.org/sermons/pastor-lee-richards/

Here's the opening line:

I have it on pretty good authority that “Holy Wars Suck.” At least, that’s the message that appears out on Main Street’s sidewalk every Monday, courtesy of Occupy Albion.

We occupied the place yesterday. Lots of thumbs up and horn honking, as 3 of us stood our ground at the courthouse, in Albion....not a big demonstration...but the message is getting through.....HOLY WARS ZUCK.

By: budlight on 5/29/12 at 7:27

By: dargent7 on 5/29/12 at 5:20
If Willard "Mitt" Romney wins the National election this Nov. it will give momentum to every state and local Republican.
His , "I don't care about the poor", "I like to fire people", and "my wife chose to stay at home and drove two Cadillacs", shows how out of touch he is with the middle class and below.
Like all Republicans.

Spoken like a true democrat, D7. All taken totally out of context. And true to the Democratic way of life. Did you know that of the TOP 10 wealthiest people in Congress, 7 of them are democrats? Nancy Pelosi is one of them and it all came from her Daddy in Baltimore (or her husband). And does she care about poor people? Not. And does she care about who gets fired? Not. And what does she drive? A foreign made car? Probably. Like all Rich Democrats who spout off at the mouth and take, take, take.

You forgot to mention that being a mother is the number 1 job in the country and that Romney's wife is a mother raising 5 kids and she has a major illness that you don't hear her whinning about.

By: Captain Nemo on 5/29/12 at 7:29

See what I mean about yogi’s lack of historical knowledge. Tennessee was a Confederate State Stupid.

By: Loner on 5/29/12 at 7:30

Yogi wrote: "While I will agree with you on being faith based, where did Tennessee get 'Volunteer State' as their nickname? Wasn't it because they had so many extra men who volunteered for service in the Civil War to free the slaves?"

Tennessee was a rebel state, Yogi, those TN volunteers were fighting for the right of their rich neighbors to own African Negro slaves....they were willing to die for that race-based concept.......hundreds of thousands did die for that "cause".

By: budlight on 5/29/12 at 7:36

"Tennessee first earned the nickname "Volunteer State" in 1812. When war broke out between the United States and Britain, 2,000 Tennesseans volunteered to fight under the command of Tennessee Militia General Andrew Jackson. Those soldiers made up the main part of Jackson's army that destroyed the British at the Battle of New Orleans on January 8, 1815. The Battle of New Orleans was an incredible event, and it gave Tennesseans a reputation for toughness that they've never lost. "In the waning days of the War of 1812, Andrew Jackson shocked the world by leading a ragtag force of local and state militia, regular U. S. troops, free men of color, Choctaw Indians, and Baratarian pirates to a crushing victory of an invading army of proud, tested, elite British soldiers determined to seize New Orleans," is the way that a brochure for The Historic New Orleans Collection summarized it. A generation later, the U. S. Secretary of War requested 2,800 infantrymen to fight a war against Mexico. Thirty thousand men volunteered. "

And Loner, I believe the President responsible for freeing slaves was a Republician! Or was Lincoln a closet democrat?

By: Loner on 5/29/12 at 7:37

Anybody who would strap the family dog to the roof of their automobile and go on vacation like that is not the kind of person I want in the White House.

Anybody who would cut a person's hair, while others held the person down, is not the kind of person I want in the White House.

Anybody who would dodge the draft during wartime, by going on an extended LDS Mission to Paris, France, is not the kind of person I want in the White House.

Anybody who would visit Israel eleven times, put on the yarmulke and Wail at the Wailing Wall, is not the kind of person I want in the White House.

By: Captain Nemo on 5/29/12 at 7:40

He just shows his ignorance daily, why the old fart even got the time line wrong.

The nickname originated during the War of 1812, and later, the
Mexican War due to the number of volunteer soldiers.
More specifically, it was due to the valor as well as the number of the soldiers who served under General Andrew Jackson in the Battle of New Orleans. Many of them had been with Jackson before 1812 and had fought local Indians under him.

Later, when they heard that fellow Tennessean Sam Houston was involved in a fight with Mexico, many volunteered to get involved in that war too. The most famous of these volunteers was Davy Crockett.

http://askville.amazon.com/Tennessee-called-Volunteer-state/AnswerViewer.do?requestId=9598946

By: Captain Nemo on 5/29/12 at 7:43

You tell him sid, you where there. LOL

The GOP of today is not the party of Lincoln.

By: Loner on 5/29/12 at 7:45

Yes. Abe Lincoln was a Republican...and the South was solidly Democratic, largely as a result of the residual animosity in the Old Confederacy.

The Democratic party in those days was host to the KKK. The Republicans were the liberals and the Democrats were the conservatives in those days.

When LBJ signed the Civil Rights Act, the South began to shift rapidly to the Republican side....the two parties reversed their constituencies in large degree....we can thank Tricky Dick and LBJ for that sea change.

IMO, the last secular Republican worth voting for was Nelson Rockefeller.

By: Kosh III on 5/29/12 at 7:49

Just to set the record straight:
The War of 1812 was our first major Imperialist war effort. We attacked Canada for the sole purpose of annexing Canada into the US--despite the fact that Canada did NOT want to join and actively opposed our unwarranted attack.

The Battle of NO was six weeks after we had LOST the WAR and SURRENDERED; signing a peace treaty with Britain.

Both the Texas offensive and the war against Mexico were later instances of naked unwarranted aggession by the US against our neighbor.

We are still engaged in wars of Imperialist expansion. No reason to be proud.

By: Captain Nemo on 5/29/12 at 7:54

This board is in good hands of respectable historians of Loner, Kosh and surprisingly budlight. So I am leaving for work.

By: Loner on 5/29/12 at 7:54

Kosh puts the kibosh to the American Exceptionalism argument..the shining city on a hill claim....he ruffles the plumage of the strutting jingo bird....points out the blood on Uncle Sam's hands....it's a shitty job, Kosh....but somebody's gotta do it.....Bravo!

By: Loner on 5/29/12 at 7:57

Give 'em a good day's work, for a good day's pay, Captain....BTW I'm leaving for camp tomorrow...for a week or so...gotta break up my stay into blocks of time this year...weddings, reunions etc. have come up this year....gotta make hard choices.

By: rldavenport@com... on 5/29/12 at 7:59

Loner:

Bill Clinton also dodged the draft to avoid going to Vietnam. Hmmm, how soon we forget...

By: Loner on 5/29/12 at 8:06

Bill Clinton, like millions of other college-aged men, held a 2-S deferment...he was a student...a Rhodes Scholar, in fact.

Romney used his faith to shield himself from being drafted.

Clinton never supported the Vietnam War, but Willard Romney did.

Willard's dad never served in the US armed Forces....and Willard's 5 sons have never put on a US serviceman's uniform either....the Romney's are a loathsome clan of war-profiteers who do not serve in the armed forces....they promote wars, they do not fight in them.

By: Rasputin72 on 5/29/12 at 8:07

Dargent7................I am very sad that Jesus Christ was crucified. I cannot imagine a scenario that depicts his crucifixation as anyones fault other than his own. Had he stuck to his carpenter job and kept his secret as to who his father was he could have lived to a ripe old age perhaps.

Jesus had a mission to be somebody important. I don't however remember him saying anything about the state furnishing a standard of living for the poor. He told them "things will be better when you are dead" "All you need is faith."

Don't beat me up with your rhetoric. I have everything I need. You are the one wanting to change the world.

By: Rasputin72 on 5/29/12 at 8:13

Those of you who are mad at the world because you do not have the things that are advertised on television should take it easy on those of us who pay the bulk of the "free stuff" you receive. Obama is going to win this election easily and you are going to get more "free stuff"

Hip, Hip Hooray for more "free stuff" By the way don't forget to stop by WAL-MART and buy more imported goods from China.

I know this will come as a shock but you people created the demand for

By: yogiman on 5/29/12 at 8:15

You're right, Loner, Tennessee was basically a rebel state. But history should show they had many people volunteering into the Yankee force as well as more the state was asked for in the Rebel Army. And for many, it was brother against brother.

By: Rasputin72 on 5/29/12 at 8:15

imported goods and the loss of American jobs when you began to spend your UAW wages at WAL-MART

By: Loner on 5/29/12 at 8:17

Gotta hand it to the Rasp...his 9:07 post makes a lot of sense.

Most Jews think that Jesus was a blasphemous heretic and a trouble-maker who got what he deserved...but they do not often say such things in public...for obvious reasons....that might sour the "special relationship".

By: pswindle on 5/29/12 at 8:22

TN has become race and church based. The churches tell their members what to believe and the sad thing is that they listen. If you listen hard enough, you will hear all of the nasty things said about our President and his color. Chip Salisman started all of this with his, "Barack the Black Negro" song he sent to his dear friends. I have noticed that he is making his comeback with appearances on National TV. TN is so raced based, that it encourages this type of behavior. I know because I have friends that fall into this pattern.

By: dargent7 on 5/29/12 at 8:25

Walmart has a "90 day Return Policy" on all computers, DVD's, digital cameras, iPhones, iPads, digital phones, ...and for you old timers, VCR's.
Their prices are 1/3rd that of " good 'ole American Cos."
Take your pick.

By: yogiman on 5/29/12 at 8:30

Loner,

It's great to understand you was such a nice guy when you was young man, I imagine you've never pulled a boo boo in your life, but do you actually know how he "tied" his dog to the roof? Was it by neck? paws? Legs? Or did he just put a strap around his body?Do you think the dog hated having his face in the wind. He sure ain't kin to my dogs. Did he tie him to the bumper or the hood? Did the dog just lay there scared as hell or was he having a ball with that fresh wind in his face?

I understand you not voting for Romney based on your thoughts, but it's harder for me to understand you voting for someone when you don't even know their name.

Oh, by the way, Sheriff Arpaio's deputies are in Hawaii now and they aren't going to quit their investigation.

Can you explain why the current governor (an old family friend) can't seem to dig his birth certificate out of their file? Wouldn't he have the authority to order it as governor?

By: dargent7 on 5/29/12 at 8:36

When Ann Romney sayed home, "by choice" her husband was raking in millions every year. How does that translate to middle America? He carved up and sold cos. He fired people, which, "he enjoyed".
She didn't have cancer 35 years ago.
She was a rich bitch wife of a venture capitalist, Romney, who's daddy was President of American Motors. Then Gov. of Mich. Then on a cabinent position in HUD in Washington, DC.
A family of privilege, not unlike the Kennedy's or Bush (puke) clan.
Romney knows as much about the "middle class" and job creation as I do about Death Row inmates.

By: Rasputin72 on 5/29/12 at 8:40

DARGENT7.........I remember in June of 1999 my first experience with WAL-MART. I bought a condo in Palm Beach complete with all the furnishings. After closing I had dinner and went back to the condo to relax with a brandy and watch a re-run of the days activity at the US Open golf championship. The Television would not not work and it was around 9 P.M. The only place I could think of that would sell me a televsion after 9 PM was WAL-MART.

I traveled over to West Palm Beach and found a WAL-MART. After locating the television department I found one that I wanted. I had no idea that the culture at WAL-MART was different than the stores I was accustomed. I finally saw a WAL-MART person and said to him. " I would like that one" He looked at me as though he he had seen a gargoyle and said "Well get it then" and walked off. I finally got someone to help me bring down the TV. I got a cart and managed to lug the TV via the cart to a check out counter. I was perturbed but could help but find humor in a world that I was not familiar.

I still have that television set and have made three or four other trips to WAL-MART since then.

I am sure you are familiar with the clientele that shop at WAL-MART. P.T.Barnum would have been trying to hire many of them for his side shows.

By: yogiman on 5/29/12 at 8:45

I doubt if you'll ever see me in WalMart, dargent7. The only time I go in there is if I can't find what I need at a local store, even though its made in China.

I believe you will find Billy Boy as our "leader" who sold our manufacturers out to the Chinese.

There is very little manufacturing going on the the USA today. It's basically sales and service. It probably won't be too long before moves in and takes that over, too.

By: Loner on 5/29/12 at 8:48

The telltale odor of Grey Poupon is in the air....

By: yogiman on 5/29/12 at 8:51

Looks like I've got 'puter problems. I had the word "China" in my last sentence... before China moves in.

By: yogiman on 5/29/12 at 8:52

What do you prefer, Loner, honey mixed in mustard?

By: Loner on 5/29/12 at 9:02

You think you got 'puter problems, Yogi?

Looks like the Israelis have unleashed another computer pathogen into the Middle East...Iran and the West Bank have been targeted...the new virus, Flame, is more powerful than Stuxnet, according to experts. Israel is now conducting cyberwarfare against the Iranian people, not just the nuclear facilities?

The Israelis are apparently engaging in acts of war against their neighbors...once again.....and dammit we are going to be sucked into another war at Israel's behest.

Source:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iran/9297703/Flame-virus-has-infected-189-systems-in-Iran.html

Snippet:

"Iran has not disclosed any damage done by the new spyware virus, dubbed "Flame". Its origin has not been identified, but Israel's vice premier fuelled speculation that his country, known for its technological innovation and tireless campaign against Iran's suspect nuclear programme, unleashed it."

By: Loner on 5/29/12 at 9:08

How long would the US stand for another country targeting our nuclear sites with cyber-malware and then the home computers across the land before we went to war?

But the Iranians are supposed to endure this kind of crap and the crippling sanctions?

And this stuff is supposed to make the Iranians more cooperative? On the contrary, my friends....we are pushing the Persians into a corner and poking them with sticks.

Israel is pissing off the Persians...taunting them.....daring them to retaliate....with "allies" like Israel, who needs enemies?

By: yogiman on 5/29/12 at 9:24

Loner,

If what I saw in those shows I watched over the weekend proves to be a fact, it won't be long before [what used to be] our government taking us off the internet.

If Obama is allowed to place us under martial law, or If we even have an election in November and Obama wins, you can kiss the USA goodbye. We are becoming more one world government every day.

I think if you watched those shows I saw you would understand why Barack Obama was chosen for his role in that office. Congress has gotten too deep in that program already.

Does it make any sense why the Republican party allowed him to gain that office without question of his legal eligibility?

Get a tight grip with your shoulders and be prepared.

By: brrrrk on 5/29/12 at 9:44

Loner said

"Anybody who would strap the family dog to the roof of their automobile and go on vacation like that is not the kind of person I want in the White House."

Agreed, I'm a firm believer in the old adage that you can tell the quality of a person on how well they treat their pets (or any animal for that matter) that they are responsible for. In the grand scheme of things it's a basic indicator of how they would treat anyone or anything over which they have absolute power. Hell, it doesn't take much to be humane... I grew up around farmers who butchered and they knew how to do it in a humane way without torturing the animal.