Up for Debate: DNC kicks off in Charlotte

Tuesday, September 4, 2012 at 10:05pm

What is your reaction to the first night of the Democratic National Convention? How would you rate Michelle Obama's speech? What weak points did you see at Tuesday night's convention?

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132 Comments on this post:

By: bfra on 9/5/12 at 6:59

Speaking of spending money, how much do you think that Bush fiasco, Mission Accomplished, cost the taxpayers? Holding a fully maned aircraft carrier in a certain position to receive our clown dressed president. arriving in a fighter jet, the banner, all the pr people, etc.. Of course they never explained what the mission was!

By: parnell3rd on 9/5/12 at 7:01

he did not pay for his education there is no racial overtones in that, he is half white!

By: parnell3rd on 9/5/12 at 7:05

oh if obama wins i will still come here to antagonize your kind. But since you'll slink away in shame that is aok with me.
Really, gdia all the abuse you all give yogi and your wanting to shut my post down?
Classic. so be it.

By: gdiafante on 9/5/12 at 7:06

So you resent him because you perceive that he didn't pay for his education? You do realize that student loans have to be paid back, don't you?

The fact that you feel the need to point out his ethnicity at all is the issue.

By: bfra on 9/5/12 at 7:07

parnell - Birds of a feather? Are you as senile as yogi?

By: gdiafante on 9/5/12 at 7:09

oh if obama wins i will still come here to antagonize your kind.

Yes, he's right. He will still come here and be a self-admitted troll to the rest of the human race.

By: Ummm... on 9/5/12 at 7:11

"parnell" is too "skeered" to bet- that would make him the pu$$, right?

By: Rasputin72 on 9/5/12 at 7:31

I had no interest in the RNC and I certainly have no interest in the DNC.

The Republicans do not have a candidate who can defeat a candidate from any party that promises "free stuff" Just far too many people out there that do not have the money to buy the things that are advertised on television. Free stuff is the salvation and the light for not only the underclass but those whose wage earning skills do not match their desires.

Obama in a mild landslide.

By: bfra on 9/5/12 at 7:34

Raspootin - You sound really informed about all of the "FREE" stuff, how long have you been taking advantage of your "Free" stuff?

By: yogiman on 9/5/12 at 7:34

Kosh III,

You and your co-posters keep calling Ryan a liar by making a comment about one thing: The time on his marathon. Did he intentionally say 3 instead of 4? I don't know but you seem to think you do. So do you? If so, how do you know the "true fact"?

Are we to presume your boy Barry never tells a lie? Gimme a break. You apparently haven't read the book on the 69 lies that has been written on Barry.

And it's been over a year since that book was published. So how many more lies has he said?

By: yogiman on 9/5/12 at 7:37


What's the difference between parnell using the word "pussy" and dargent7 using the word "shit" almost every day. Should he and all others that are using vulgarity be exiled from NCP?

By: Ummm... on 9/5/12 at 7:41

What a hollow existence poor "Rasputin" the bigoted monk must have. He thinks money and possessions equate to a "good life." How little he knows.

By: gdiafante on 9/5/12 at 7:43


Read and learn.

I wouldn't expect you to understand...anything...yogi. Why? Because you don't. To be nice, your elevator doesn't go to the top.

You're not the sharpest knife in the drawer...

Your antenna doesn't pick up all the channels...

There's too much yardage between the goal posts...

You're a few beers short of a six-pack...

Shall I go on?

By: yogiman on 9/5/12 at 7:49


I can read their stupid comment at every writing. I just consider the source and ignore it. I can't wait until November 6.

It's going to be very interesting to see if we stay as the USA or go into the USSA. If Barry wins, that means Congress has sold us down the river.

And if they were as intelligent as they think they are, let's look at it this way: What if a Democrat (which Obama isn't) was running for that office legally and the Republican was in there illegally. Who would gripe about an illegal office holder?

I'd say you could bet your a$$ the Democrats would be right in the middle of it.

By: govskeptic on 9/5/12 at 7:54

I have known for some time that President Obama thought he was the
second man to walk on water, and Michelle pointed that out without
any lingering doubt last night. "He's like us" is a phony issue when it
comes to either of these candidates, but plays well to the neediest
and least informed. Michelle did, however, show that she is as much
a political sidekick as any First Lady in modern history and shares the
wearing of the pants in that household.

By: Kosh III on 9/5/12 at 7:54

The non-truthful statement
"HH: I’ve just gotta ask, what’s your personal best?
PR: Under three, high twos. I had a two hour and fifty-something."


The truth

"The finishing time listed was 4 hours, 1 minute and 25 seconds."

By: Blanketnazi2 on 9/5/12 at 7:56

When Obama took office, America was in a recession: GDP had declined for two quarters and was still falling. Today, we are almost three years into uninterrupted GDP growth.

When Obama took office,America was losing over 700K jobs a month. Today, we have been adding about 100K jobs a month for almost three years now.

When Obama took office, housing prices were plummeting and foreclosures skyrocketing. Today, foreclosures are way down, and housing prices are rising.

And, of course, stock market indices have doubled since Obama took office.

By: Kosh III on 9/5/12 at 7:57

But let's not confine his lies to the marathon exaggeration

" Ryan described a GM plant that closed down in his hometown, Janesville, Wisconsin, and blamed Obama for breaking his promise to keep the plant open when he visited during his campaign. But Obama never made that promise, and the plant shut down in December 2008, before Obama even took office."

"Ryan blamed the president for the nation’s credit downgrade in August 2011 after Republicans threatened to allow the government to default on its debt for the first time in history. But the ratings agency explicitly blamed “Republicans saying that they refuse to accept any tax increases as part of a larger deal.”

By: yogiman on 9/5/12 at 8:00

Go as far as you wish, gdiafante. ABC news is as pro-democratic as you are.

The only news today is Fox news. And being partially bought out by Saudi Arabia they are like they used to be.

Remember when Bill O'Rielly was so "up front"? Fox isn't like it used to be.

Just get ready for Nov. 6, gdiafante. I feel sorry for your children and all other children in the current USA if Barry gets to continue usurpation of that office. He will become dictator and you can kiss the USA goodbye. (I know, I'm repeating myself. I only hope you wake up before Nov. 6. But then, I doubt you would admit it even if you learn the hard way.

By: Kosh III on 9/5/12 at 8:05

"Those aren't lies, you're splitting hairs.


Then where are they?
I guess destroying a country, destroying a 1800 year old Christian community of over a million, continued death and destruction, destabilizing a volatile region and of course the billions of wasted money and lives.
Just hair splitting. Right.

By: gdiafante on 9/5/12 at 8:07

The picture isn't that rosy, blanket. It has gotten somewhat better, but nowhere near where it should be. I'm one of the few that actually believe that global conditions (looking at you Europe) have done the most damage lately, but having probably the worst Congress in years hasn't helped either.

By: gdiafante on 9/5/12 at 8:11

Oh yogi, you ignorant slut...ABC is reporting about others fact-checking Ryan...

But if you **giggle** think Fox is the only news source...


By: Blanketnazi2 on 9/5/12 at 8:12

Well, it's better off than it was. Remember when the DOW was down below 8,000? We still have a long way to go, I definitely agree with that but 2008-2009 was pretty bleak. Imagine would could have been if Congress could manage to cooperate and if each side could make compromises.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 9/5/12 at 8:12

lol, g!

By: Blanketnazi2 on 9/5/12 at 8:13

s/h/b "what could have been."

By: gdiafante on 9/5/12 at 8:19

I agree, blanket, I just don't think anyone should act as if everything's fine and dandy. I have a lot of problems with Obama. I think he's caved way too much and essentially continued Bush's policies.

The first lady bragged about getting health care done but I don't see a public option or a single-payer system, do you? What I see (and the GOP ignores) are some pretty good ideas, like pre-existing conditions, in a plan that overall is a boon to insurance companies. This isn't forcing anyone to get government healthcare, it's forcing them to buy private insurance.

I understand that anything is better than nothing, but we shouldn't pretend that this is the end all, be all solution.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 9/5/12 at 8:22

g, I am disappointed in Obama for the same reasons, however we are slowly going in the right direction. As far as healthcare, I like to see this as another move in the right direction, however ultimately single payor is what would fix our healthcare debacle. In the meantime, at least the pre-existing conditions and preventive care are being addressed. I totally don't think this is the end all, be all solution at all.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 9/5/12 at 8:22

It certainly beats the heck out of a voucher system!

By: yogiman on 9/5/12 at 8:43

Tell me, Kosh III,

Have you never told a fib for yourself in your life? If you haven't, you must still be a juvenile teenager that hasn't learn to tell a fib yet because babies learn to lie pretty fast in life.

They don't want to get their a$$ whipped.

If not, then you're as big a liar as anyone else.

By: yogiman on 9/5/12 at 8:50


If we have been gaining 100 thousand jobs a month, why are we still below the 8.3 mark. And why have we hit that 16 trillion debt under Obama. Why have more people just quit looking for work if the supplies are there?

But I'm sorry, I'm sure it was Bush's fault.

By: gdiafante on 9/5/12 at 8:51

I think so too, blanket. Obama's problem, or that of the ones that voted for him, is that change doesn't happen overnight, especially when there are systemic problems. However, eventually he's going to have to stray from Bush. He's going to have to play hard ball with that idiot Congress.

By: gdiafante on 9/5/12 at 8:55


Explains the jobs issue.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 9/5/12 at 8:56

I agree, g. We would be below 8.3% unemployment if congress would pass the jobs bill!

By: gdiafante on 9/5/12 at 8:59

I've never understood how anyone can call themselves a patriot if they sabotage our economy in the name of regaining the Presidency. That's exactly what the party of obstruction has been doing.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 9/5/12 at 9:00


Senate Republicans Block Jobs Bill

By: Blanketnazi2 on 9/5/12 at 9:02

It's their way of bullying themselves back into office, or so they think.

By: dargent7 on 9/5/12 at 9:02

Merrian-Webster just added a new definition of: "Humiliation":
"When the United States elects a half white, half black man, commonly known as and goes by, "******", born in Kenya, produces forged birth cetificates, forged college transcripts, has ties to the Chicago underground, radical terrorists, an active practicing Muslim, denounces America....as POTUS".
And then goes on to win a second term?
This is the best Republicans got, Mittens Romney, to go up against all this, this disgraced, this one man?
If you vapid, vacant, idiots cannot beat this broken, fraudulent man, Barack Obama, what does that say about your party and it's leadership, as well as it's relevancy in 21th century America?
Take your time to answer.

By: yogiman on 9/5/12 at 9:31

"I choose my friends carefully. The more politically active black students. The Chicanos, The Marxist professors and structural feminists and punk-rock performance poets."

Check out //resistance.ning.com/video/ What do you think?

By: Loner on 9/5/12 at 9:34

Good morning, Nashville.

As for the topic of the day, I did not tune in to watch the circus....I missed all the ghost-written speeches, the well-coiffed hairdos, the tailored suits and gowns, the exceedingly whitened teeth, the required applause and ovations....and the phony glad-handing.....and all those commercials for crap that I do not need nor want.

The conventions are pure theater; the nominees are known well in advance and the platforms are already set in stone....I do not get off watching rich folks rubbing elbows with each other; voyeurism and class envy are not for me.

The elections themselves are more theater....a handful of voters in some "swing state" will get to call the shots....the popular vote is a meaningless statistic....tens of millions of votes cast are discarded by the electors...it's all or none with the EC votes.....a few states elect the POTUS, We the People, are only indirectly involved with the selection process.....this is democracy lite....the system is so bad that when he attack and destroy a place like Iraq, we do not put a system like ours in the place of what we destroyed....basically, we know the system is flawed, so we do not export the product.

I wish that we could return to the days when the First Lady stayed out of sight and out of earshot.....they have been elected to nothing, yet some of them think they are co-POTUS....Hillary Clinton and Nancy Reagan come to mind.

For such an "exceptional" country and such "exceptional" people, we tolerate a lot of BS in our system of governance....we are not too demanding of our leaders, are we?

By: yogiman on 9/5/12 at 9:38

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By: gdiafante on 9/5/12 at 9:52

Is there anything I have ever posted, ever will post or you could possibly imagine to make me start watching a bunch of teabagging propagandist nonsense?

Why not pull up some 1930's promotional films about German tourism?

By: yogiman on 9/5/12 at 9:57

Take it or leave it, gdiafante. If you're a communist, I'd say leave it.

The next "show" is //resistance.ning.com/video/he-is-a-communist-part-2/

By: Kosh III on 9/5/12 at 10:31


So if I told a fib at age 13, that makes it ok for Ryan to lie through his teeth? Egads, some of you folks will say anything to support your favorite.
Ryan is running for VP. I am not and no one cares about my race times or how I think we should fix Medicare. (hint expanding to all citizens) and shutting down our Empire.

By: Loner on 9/5/12 at 10:44

Gd wrote: "I've never understood how anyone can call themselves a patriot if they sabotage our economy in the name of regaining the Presidency. "

I agree. The major parties simply want to win elections, not advance the common good...compromise is seen as weakness. As for the agenda, once the votes are tallied, the special interests tell the election winners what to do and what not to do....or else.

Gd, I've never understood how anyone can call themselves a patriot if they accept campaign money from agents of a state outside our union of states. There are strings attached to special interest cash. Politicians who accept this tainted treasure are then beholden to a foreign state whose national interests and its core values are not at all in synch with those of a secular, democratic republic like ours....these cash-hungry federal lawmakers are little more than prostitutes with law degrees....they are being paid to advance the national agenda of a foreign state and they are working hard for their paymasters.

By: brrrrk on 9/5/12 at 10:50

parnell3rd on 9/5/12 at 7:22

"Yea Ummm the Obama's are socialist/communist the Romney's are capitalist who worked for their money."

Really? When?.....

Andrew Sabl quotes a 1994 interview with Ann Romney in the Boston Globe wherein she explains the material deprivation she and Mitt undertook in their student days, when both were so poor and jobless they had to support themselves by selling shares of stock that Mitt had been given by his dad:

"We were happy, studying hard. Neither one of us had a job, because Mitt had enough of an investment from stock that we could sell off a little at a time. The stock came from Mitt’s father. When he took over American Motors, the stock was worth nothing. But he invested Mitt’s birthday money year to year—it wasn’t much, a few thousand, but he put it into American Motors because he believed in himself. Five years later, stock that had been $6 a share was $96 and Mitt cashed it so we could live and pay for education."

One more piece of information that you might find interesting. That $96 share of stock would be equal to $610 in today's dollars... so if Mitt only cashed in one share of week, that would be a yearly income (again on today's dollars) of over $30,000. Not bad non-work if you can get it! The fact is both Ann and Mitt came from wealthy families and there was no chance that they were going to end up living in poverty. And while it may be true that they were living a "hard scrabble" life (at least compared to their lives living at home), what they were living was a lark; a pretend poor that they both knew was only temporary..... unlike others who have to face real poverty in the face day in and day out.

By: bfra on 9/5/12 at 10:51

Loner - ....these cash-hungry federal lawmakers are little more than prostitutes with law degrees....they are being paid to advance the national agenda of a foreign state and they are working hard for their paymasters.
You hit the nail square on the head with that one.!

By: dargent7 on 9/5/12 at 10:57

I think Romney's on record is being so set apart from the middle class:
He made $354,000 a year in speaker fees and proclaimed, "It wasn't really that much".
He paid 13.7% in Federal taxes and said, "It was all legal". 3 off-shore accounts, "is all legal".
Everything with Romney & Co. is "legal", but it just stinks to high heaven for us others' inhabiting the planet Earth especially America.

By: brrrrk on 9/5/12 at 11:06

And one more thing regarding my 11:50 post. Ann was quoted as saying "But he [Mitt's father] invested Mitt’s birthday money year to year—it wasn’t much, a few thousand".

Any of you get anything that would have added up to "a few thousand" for any number of birthdays when you were a kid..... even now?

By: Loner on 9/5/12 at 11:15

Thank you, Bfra for the kind word and thanks, Brrrk, for the backgrounder on the struggling young Mormon students who had to survive on tens of thousands, instead of millions in annual income.

The poor kids probably had to wash their own dirty magic undies....possibly in a public laundromat? Nah, it never got THAT bad....I can't imagine the Romneys ever using a public laundromat to wash their own clothing....too much pubic exchange.

By: gdiafante on 9/5/12 at 11:20

You know where you can stick your McCarthyism crap, yogi...the same place your head is firmly planted.