Up for Debate: Election aftermath

Wednesday, November 7, 2012 at 12:38am

Did the actual results on Tuesday live up to your expectations? What surprised you? What are your reactions to the local races, including the area congressional races?

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252 Comments on this post:

By: Loner on 11/7/12 at 10:28

The irony of the shooting iron, eh Slack?

By: Captain Nemo on 11/7/12 at 10:29

They were legal in those days slacker. That was Mexican Territory.

See you later.

By: Loner on 11/7/12 at 10:31

Bfra, cutting off the troll's head does you no good, its primitive cerebral cortex is located in its rectum, not its cranium, as was once believed.

By: brrrrk on 11/7/12 at 10:31

Loner said

"what sort of a Republican Phoenix will rise from the ashes of utter defeat? Or is the hideous creature dead?"

The way I see it they have two choices; adapt (and when I mean adapt I don't mean sell your same shit better... I mean real policy changes; greater inclusion) or die off. Either way is better for everyone in the long run.

By: slacker on 11/7/12 at 10:32

Loner, Davy's motto was: ''Be sure you're right then go ahead''
The last words poor Davy heard was in Spanish.. ''who's the guy with the coonskin hat?''

By: Loner on 11/7/12 at 10:35

Slack, for you:

'' ¿Quién es el hombre con el sombrero de piel de mapache?''

By: bfra on 11/7/12 at 10:35

Loner - But that is where his head stays.:-)

By: gdiafante on 11/7/12 at 10:35

Here's what's happening...since the GOP actually picked up some House seats, they believe that gives them the authority to do the same thing. The Dems think the same because they kept the Senate and Presidency. So, in effect, we have the very same guys in power that let the fiscal situation get where it is today.

I'm not very optimistic for compromise...

By: pswindle on 11/7/12 at 10:37

Yogi, give it up. Our President is legal. Maybe, your family needs to take your computer away fromn ypou. You have gone over the edge. I haven't heard from any of my GOP friends, but before the election, I received all kinds of artilces the kind that Yogi believes in, but It backfired this time. Is Chip going to send out another cd about the black dragon? That all but stoped his ambitions.

By: slacker on 11/7/12 at 10:44

I personally think Romney was the better choice for the economic situation our country is in. I truly hope President Obama has some solutions.Raising taxes on the rich will not begin to shrink our debt. Its gonna take austerity, and the average citizen ain't gonna like it.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 11/7/12 at 10:45

slacker, we don't need to raise them - just do away with the Bush tax cuts and put it back where it was. The rich have been paying the lowest tax rate in 50 years and it didn't turn them into "job creators." It just lowered our revenue to a very dangerous level.

By: Loner on 11/7/12 at 10:48

By: bfra on 11/7/12 at 10:35

Loner - But that is where his head stays.:-)

Bfra, that behavior is a troll's defense mechanism....the rock-hard, but brainless cranium is inserted into the troll's rectum, to protect its cerebral cortex, located in the rectum, from rear attack.

According to the Scout Handbook, If you light a wooden match, light it, then quickly blow it out, and then touch the hot end to the troll's red neck, it may pull its head out of its ass...leaving the "brain" vulnerable.

By: BenDover on 11/7/12 at 10:49

I think perceptions carried the day Loner. The perception that the economy is roaring back will soon be dispelled by experience and the fact that we can't prop it up on our granchildren's future earnings forever. The perception that the job crisis and unemployment are on the mend will share the same fate because the only thing worse than the uncertainty about where regulation, health care and tax policy were going is for them to end up where employers most feared.

As gd has acknowledged, the fundamentals of the political climate have not really changed so the 'medication' for the patient I described will be more or less the same. Obama will use the threat of driving the economy over the cliff to finally get his 'fairness' tax so that will up the dosage a bit... but there's still a conservative firewall in the House keeping him from going too far.

No biggie really... my parents are in poor health right now so taking a few years off to mind the family and play a little defense with the family budget rather than offense might be just what the Dr. ordered.

By: BenDover on 11/7/12 at 10:51

"just do away with the Bush tax cuts and put it back where it was" That's what they mean when they say Fiscal Cliff bn.

By: Loner on 11/7/12 at 10:51

Will US employers continue to sandbag the US job market? They would have hired, had Mitt won...but now, who knows?

By: BenDover on 11/7/12 at 10:52

"According to the Scout Handbook, If you light a wooden match, light it, then quickly blow it out, and then touch the hot end to the troll's red neck, it may pull its head out of its ass...leaving the "brain" vulnerable."

rofl loner.

By: bfra on 11/7/12 at 10:53

(click)

By: yogiman on 11/7/12 at 10:54

Let's face it, Y'all,

You all have proven your ignorance by voting for a man as President of this nation who refuses to identify himself. How about one of you telling me: Just who in the hell is he? Does this nation have so many idiots who will vote for someone when they don't even know his legal name? It's now Katie bar the door. Don't be surprised when he makes his "take over".

At my age, it may tickle the hell out of you usurper admirers when I "check out" and you won't have to see as much about your idiocy on this site.

But until then.....

By: bfra on 11/7/12 at 10:55

Ben is trying to fool everyone by acting like he thinks that is funny!

By: bfra on 11/7/12 at 10:56

(click) liar

By: gdiafante on 11/7/12 at 10:57

Austerity alone, reducing spending, won't get it done. It has to be a combination of spending cuts (that make sense) and revenue increases. But I do agree that most people don't seem to have the stomach. Then again, no one's really asked all of us to sacrifice...it's either been the rich or the poor, no in between.

By: MamaG on 11/7/12 at 11:10

Had to join you all this morning, as we have all been together for so many day-after elections here at the NCP. I read page 1 of the posts but haven't read those in between there and here yet. I just wanted to chime in and say good day to my friends here! I'm having a great day!

By: Loner on 11/7/12 at 11:15

Good morning, Mama...feels like New Years Day, doesn't it? A fresh deal...new opportunities.

By: bfra on 11/7/12 at 11:15

MamaG - Always good to hear from you & hope that son is still doing well. Try to keep us updated as you have the time.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 11/7/12 at 11:17

Hiya, MamaG!

By: slacker on 11/7/12 at 11:18

Hi MamaG, good to hear from you.

By: slacker on 11/7/12 at 11:22

MamaG... be sure to read all my posts. If you read them backwards, you'll hear ''Stairway To Heaven''

By: gdiafante on 11/7/12 at 11:22

Mama mia! Good to hear from you!

By: BenDover on 11/7/12 at 11:32

Hi Mamag. Sorry I didn't get you that Crest from the Seanachie building before they turned it into another gawd-awful Honky-Tonk.

By: Adman on 11/7/12 at 11:46

:gdiafante on 11/7/12 at 10:57

Austerity alone, reducing spending, won't get it done. It has to be a combination of spending cuts (that make sense) and revenue increases. But I do agree that most people don't seem to have the stomach. Then again, no one's really asked all of us to sacrifice...it's either been the rich or the poor, no in between.

I agree gdiafante. There is only one guaranteed way to increase revenue however, and that is to do whatever has to be done to get the economy growing and producing new jobs. That will increase the pool of income available to be taxed. Even assuming everything stays the same (an assumption I am unwilling to make) reversing the Bush tax cuts will only produce a fraction of the revenue needed (10% or less) to reduce our deficits. With economic growth should come reduced spending because theoretically anyway the need for govt intervention is reduced. Unfortunately I have never experienced gov't spending going backwards.

By: Loner on 11/7/12 at 11:57

Adman, government spending only increases because selfish special interests fund the campaigns of the law makers...it's a payback deal...quid pro quo...a few million invested in the right races can net an investor billions...when this sort of thing happens, the general public ends up picking up the tab for the sweetheart deal.

Without campaign finance reform, all government reform is doomed to failure.

We dodged a bullet last night...but in the 2016 race, the Super PACs will be operating in both the Democratic and the Republican primary races....they will choose the final combatants, not us....and once again, a handful of swing states will call the shots.

By: MamaG on 11/7/12 at 11:57

Thanks for the welcome, you all!
Yes, Loner, just as good as Jan 1 for sure!

Slacker, I will get right on your posts, backwards!

bfra-My son is still doing great...I could talk about him all the time! Ha! He's in Atlanta for his junior year and plans to do 1/2 yr in Japan for his senior year. He is still debating whether to go on for his Master's when he graduates or go back to Japan to teach English. I'm hoping he will go with the former, and I'll have him in the States for a while longer. I don't have any plans to visit Japan!

Ben, I went to that very honky tonk a few weeks ago! $5 for a bottle of Bud Light Platinum. The first thing I did was look up for my crest. I would love to have it but, c'est la vie, right? Thanks for thinking of me though! (And for the record, I preferred the atmosphere at Paradise Park over that place on the corner.)

Good (almost) afternoon, Gdia and BN2! I have missed playing with all you good folks. I've been wanting to get on here more often but work is always busier now and I don't have the time I used to. I will try to keep in touch with you all more often though.

By: Loner on 11/7/12 at 12:05

You truly are welcome, MamaG...as you can see, you are loved here.

By: Adman on 11/7/12 at 12:11

Adman, government spending only increases because selfish special interests fund the campaigns of the law makers...it's a payback deal...quid pro quo...a few million invested in the right races can net an investor billions...when this sort of thing happens, the general public ends up picking up the tab for the sweetheart deal.

I hate to disagree with you Loner, but Gov't spending increases because that is what gov't does...spend. I don't expect any great new deals to solve our problems as we approachh the "fiscal cliff". They will figure out a way to kick the can down the road for someone else to deal with just like they did 15 months ago. Same ole same ole.

By: yogiman on 11/7/12 at 12:11

A thought to ponder, children,

The first graduating class of "FEMA CORPS First Responders" graduated 231 youth in Vicksburg, Mississippi September 13, 2012.

Do you remember an Obama campaign promise (one of the few he kept) in 2008? He wanted a civilian security force comparable and as well equipped as our National Military Services.

Check out google information about [FEMA Corps first responders].

Are you ready?

By: BigPapa on 11/7/12 at 12:15

Pretty much echos what I said.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/the_big_idea/2012/11/why_romney_lost_he_couldn_t_separate_himself_from_the_republican_party_s.html

By: bfra on 11/7/12 at 12:16

(click) liar

By: Loner on 11/7/12 at 12:18

Well, Adman, you may wish to downplay the role of money in US politics, but I consider the special interests' outlandish funding of political candidates to be a major threat to our representative democracy and a threat to our economy and a threat to America's vital national interests.

By: MamaG on 11/7/12 at 12:19

By: Loner on 11/7/12 at 12:05
You truly are welcome, MamaG...as you can see, you are loved here.

Thank you so very much, my long-time posting friend! :-) I love you guys, too!

By: bfra on 11/7/12 at 12:22

Loner - You are right on that.

By: Loner on 11/7/12 at 12:27

It's Kum-Bah-Yah time at the NCP....except for a few disgruntled partisans....a despairing troll....a contrarian or two....a pompous polemicist...but other than that, It's warm & fuzzy at the NCP this morning.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 11/7/12 at 12:46

Just a small bit of advice for the Republican party: If you try to mess with women's rights or meddle in women's healthcare issues - the female body has a way to shut that whole thing down.

By: Adman on 11/7/12 at 12:51

Well, Adman, you may wish to downplay the role of money in US politics, but I consider the special interests' outlandish funding of political candidates to be a major threat to our representative democracy and a threat to our economy and a threat to America's vital national interests.

I don't necessarily disagree with this statement, even though I do think you are overstating it. It's just not the only cause, and even the biggest cause of runaway govt spending. One of the big issues Reagan used against Carter was the size of the deficit (a paltry 200B/year...man what a piker) and that was 32 years ago. Gov't spending was a big problem long before PAC's and SCOTUS decisions.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 11/7/12 at 12:52

The Obama budget projected a 2009 deficit of $1.75 trillion. But that number would have been much lower had the White House used the same accounting tricks and conventions used by the Bush administration.

http://www.capitalgainsandgames.com/blog/stan-collender/789/bush-gimmicks-2009-obama-deficit-would-have-been

By: Loner on 11/7/12 at 12:52

Blanketnazi issues a Triumphant Tarzan-like Victory Cry...or is that the Victory Cry of Jane..."Queen of the Jungle"?

By: Blanketnazi2 on 11/7/12 at 12:54

Loner, it is a Victory Cry either way you call it!

By: Captain Nemo on 11/7/12 at 1:04

Hello. MamaG

By: Captain Nemo on 11/7/12 at 1:12

Here is another victory call. You Lost yogi.

By: yogiman on 11/7/12 at 1:17

If any of you are interested in Obama being a "natural born" American citizen, check out "dozens of articles confirming obama born in kenya" through google.

If you don't care who he is, forget it

By: Loner on 11/7/12 at 1:18

And we have victories in Colorado and Washington (state)......it remains to be seen if BHO will fight the Drug War there, as in California and elsewhere...if he does, then BHO is a reneger on the hope & change thing....IMHO.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/dispatches/2012/11/07/colorado-washington-legalize-recreational-marijuana-tourism/1689269/