Up for Debate: Election Day 2012

Monday, November 5, 2012 at 9:45pm

So this is it. Make your final predictions. Who will be elected as the next president? How will the popular and electoral votes end up (roughly)?

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By: BigPapa on 11/6/12 at 12:04

So the less there is that those states should vote republican and push for funding reforms that push things back to the states.

Then people will either wallow in misery or vote in Dems or "vote" with their feet and move to those "progressive" states. In other words let it play out.

Demographics dont show too many of those rust belt and northern states growing. The growth is the sunbelt, so it looks like many people are choosing this area over others. Despite all of our backwards hillbilly ways.

By: BigPapa on 11/6/12 at 12:05

^lesson

By: brrrrk on 11/6/12 at 12:13

BigPapa said

"So the less there is that those states should vote republican and push for funding reforms that push things back to the states."

So let me get this straight, the problem isn't states like Tennessee that take more Federal funding than they pay in, the problem is with states like New Jersey who don't complain about paying in more? That's like saying it's not the criminals fault for stealing your car, you shouldn't have left it in the drive way in the first place. How perverted is that?!

By: brrrrk on 11/6/12 at 12:21

The reality is that the only thing that allows Tennessee to get away with not having a state income tax is the fact that they (like most Conservative states) balance their budgets on the backs of all those nasty blue states. If Federal funding was pulled from Tennessee we'd have a state tax quicker than you can say "Git R Done"

By: Loner on 11/6/12 at 12:26

I go out to make another latte and tune my crystal balls and we get a fouling of the congeniality.... civility evaporated while I was working in the lab, feverishly trying to get my tube-type crystal balls to work...I may have to invest in the new solid-state, all digital, crystalline spheres of clairvoyance...my old balls just aren't what they used to be....besides, when I use them, the lights in the neighborhood dim slightly and flicker.

As for Ben Dover, he IS a smart fellow....anyone can make a homophone error..."passed" and "past" are near-homophones...I sometimes use "their", when I mean "there", for example...we are all just human and we should cut each other some slack on the spelling, grammar, syntax, missing word, wrong word, homophone errors and the sorts of things that we see hear...I mean sea here....ahhh, yous no...I mean you know what I mean.....the English language is difficult to master, to say the least..let's all be a little more tolerant....shall we?

By: brrrrk on 11/6/12 at 12:32

Loner said

"As for Ben Dover, he IS a smart fellow....anyone can make a homophone error"

I knew a guy back in high school that played a mean Tenor homophone....

By: slacker on 11/6/12 at 12:36

I say let the homophones marry.. its none of my business.

By: yogiman on 11/6/12 at 12:37

Sorry, Loner,
I know you're sad about it but our founders knew what they were doing when they put that Electoral College in our Constitution. They had a good reason and it stay in tack until it is flushed down the commode by an amendment and I hope the majority of the people understand why they put it there. Apparently, you don't.

By: Loner on 11/6/12 at 12:38

I have a sidebar ad that claims that 138,410,586 people are expected to vote in the US today. They pulled that number out of their nether regions....but that's irrelevant, because the votes of 50 sovereign states, not 138,410,586 voters, will determine who wins and who loses.

We have" Democracy Lite" here..it's not even suitable for export, as we have seen in our re-make of Iraq and Afghanistan, but it's just fine for a bread & circus republic like ours.

The major political parties, their candidates, the "donors" and the major media are the biggest fans of Democracy Lite....they keep telling us what a marvelous system we have here.....the establishment even has the common folk believing that states rights trump human rights....the masses have been bullshat.....many Americans are now self-bullshitizing.

By: bfra on 11/6/12 at 12:41

(click)

By: Loner on 11/6/12 at 12:42

An English teacher walks into a homophone piano bar....

By: Loner on 11/6/12 at 12:48

Brrrk, the tenor homophone is a bass clef instrument, as I recall....very difficult to master, I'm told....it won't naturally over-blow on the octave...it has several spit valves that always seem to be drooling...we had a whole section of homophones in our HS concert band...they had their own agenda and those guys were easily offended, as I recall....very clannish.

By: slacker on 11/6/12 at 12:49

Clannish..but neat...very neat

By: yogiman on 11/6/12 at 12:52

That's because your left ball is bigger than your right ball, Loner. Try squeezing it with a pair of pliers.

Let us know if it works. Some of your co-affiliates might try it, too.

By: bfra on 11/6/12 at 12:55

(click on filth mouth)

By: yogiman on 11/6/12 at 1:06

Loner,

I agree with you on ignoring irrelevant spelling errors on this site because the spelling checker is depended on too much and the errors are easily missed and often, you're in too big of a hurry to get your argument "on the table".

By: Loner on 11/6/12 at 1:17

Yes, Slack, they were extremely neat...nowadays, they call it being "anal".....just sayin'.

By: Loner on 11/6/12 at 1:20

Looks like I'm working solo here...

By: Loner on 11/6/12 at 11:42

An English teacher walks into a homophone piano bar....

...and orders a Dangling Participle.

By: yogiman on 11/6/12 at 1:25

Loner,

Did you see in that sidebar ad where more GIs have died in Afghanistan in Barry's 4 years than Bush's 8 years?

Really, does he know how to do anything but spend our money play gold? Oh yeah, and send his wife on vacations?

By: bfra on 11/6/12 at 1:29

(click)

By: BigPapa on 11/6/12 at 1:30

What Im saying is you cant be a socialist then complain when other benefit from a socialistic share the wealth type situation.

If you are saying that these states aren't pulling their weight and taking too much, then that's really a conservative stance. You should LOVE that situation given your political leanings. We're taking from those mean ol' rich states and giving it to us poor down trodden states.

By: Loner on 11/6/12 at 1:33

Are 47% of the states moochers? Raiders on Uncle Sam's treasury? Takers, not makers? We'll find out, right after this....

By: Loner on 11/6/12 at 1:48

The state of Tennessee certainly believes in redistributing wealth...from the federal coffers into the state coffers.... from then on, it's "Hands Off, Uncle Sam!!", the federally-generated funds are then somehow protected by states rights, it's somehow converted into sovereign state money, over which the feds have no control....it's a convoluted logic, for sure, but it has its adherents.

Perhaps all the states should emulate TN...maybe all the states should do away with their state income taxes and rely strictly on federal tickle down....tin cup in hand.

All of the sovereign fifty states should apply for US foreign aid...after all they are sovereign, right...maybe TN already considers its federally generated funds as a type of foreign aid.

By: gdiafante on 11/6/12 at 2:00

Since when did people who believe there should be a strong central government become Socialist?

I guess Washington, Hamilton, Adams, Jay...all Socialists...

People seem to like to throw that term around without really understanding what the hell it means. Misinformation is king in the U.S.A. in 2012...

By: gdiafante on 11/6/12 at 2:09

If you are saying that these states aren't pulling their weight and taking too much, then that's really a conservative stance. You should LOVE that situation given your political leanings. We're taking from those mean ol' rich states and giving it to us poor down trodden states.

Spoken like someone who sees everything through partisan lenses. It is not a Conservative stance to point out hypocrisy. The issue isn't the validity of states receiving the funds, it's the fact that they do, and that enables red states to balance their budgets...something they really like to boast about and actively question why the federal government can't do the same.

See the hypocrisy? And, by the way, the fact that the "leaders" in the red states willingly accept those funds make them complicit in the function of the federal government...which, by your (flawed) definition would make them...

wait for it...

Socialists.

Life's a bitch, huh?

By: slacker on 11/6/12 at 2:10

If Tennessee could somehow con Arkansas, into annexing Memphis, we'd be back in the red.

By: gdiafante on 11/6/12 at 2:14

That would be the con of the century, slack.

By: slacker on 11/6/12 at 2:18

Shoulda said in the black.. but I feared being called a racist bastard.

By: brrrrk on 11/6/12 at 2:18

gdiafante said

"People seem to like to throw that term around without really understanding what the hell it means. Misinformation is king in the U.S.A. in 2012..."

Reminds of something I heard on one of my favorite radio/internet shows a few months back. The host was talking to a representative from one of the Scandinavian countries and the topic of our Presidential election came up and the host asked the representative about Obama being called a "socialist" by the right. The representative started laughing and replied, "In our country Obama wouldn't even be considered a Conservative, let alone a Socialist". He then went on to state that he thought it was "absolutely ridiculous for Americans to throw the term Socialist around when they've never really experienced it in any fashion".

By: brrrrk on 11/6/12 at 2:22

slacker said

"If Tennessee could somehow con Arkansas, into annexing Memphis, we'd be back in the red."

Wrong.... hate to tell you this, but studies show that rural areas are where most aid goes.

By: slacker on 11/6/12 at 2:29

ok brrrk. Arkansas can also annexed the rural areas.That would also get rid of the multiple posting, dullard, clueless old man, who keeps stepping on my brilliant posts.

By: Mike Burch on 11/6/12 at 2:29

Does anyone know a good website with dynamic election results? Some of the sites make it hard to see the big picture ...

By: slacker on 11/6/12 at 2:31

Burch, try Fox news.

By: Loner on 11/6/12 at 2:34

There are several states, outside our union of states, that receive billions in US economic and US military aid annually....but these states contribute zilch to the US Treasury. Here they are, in the pecking order:

The state of Afghanistan gets 11,446.8 million in US aid annually.

The state of Pakistan gets 2,853.5 million in US aid annually.

The state of Israel gets 2,835.8 million in US aid annually.

The state of Iraq gets 2,087.9 million in US aid annually.

The state of Egypt gets 1,698.9 million in US aid annually.

The state of Haiti gets 1,408.1 million in US aid annually.

The state of Ethiopia gets 981.8 million in US aid annually.

The state of Sudan gets 975.9 million in US aid annually.

The state of Colombia gets 863.7 million in US aid annually.

The state of Kenya gets 818.7 million in US aid annually.

The state of Jordan gets 767.1 million in US aid annually.

The state of Mexico gets 718.2 million in US aid annually.

The state of Senegal gets 702.1 million in US aid annually.

The non-state(s) of West Bank/Gaza get(s) 693.1 million in US aid annually.

And the list goes on....11 more states are on the list....(Yogi, a billion is 1,000 million.)

Source;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_foreign_aid

But all that is still a drop in the bucket for Uncle Sam.

Sadly, Uncle Sam does not do empire very well...treasure is supposed to flow from the conquered nations into the conqueror's treasury, not the other way around.

If we take out Iran, they will top the list of recipients, once we finish bombing them.

By: Loner on 11/6/12 at 2:36

Slack, you're cracking me up here.

By: yogiman on 11/6/12 at 2:37

Curious: What do you all think about Obama's lawyer making a comment about Obama's birth certificate being a fake? She implied that all Obama needs to do is invoke his political popularity, legal qualifications to be a presidential candidate.

Wonder where she got her license.

www.conservativepapers.com/news/2012/04/15/obamas-lawyer-admits-birth-certificate-is-a-forgery/#.UJIh1yysEVB/

By: slacker on 11/6/12 at 2:39

Loner.. he had it coming.

By: Loner on 11/6/12 at 2:44

I gotta get up off my skinny @ss...get out the door...get in the DJ-5 and drive over to my voting place...it's in an Ass. of God Church...churches are routinely used as polling places around here...I object to that every year, of course...the lone voice of discontent....and they claim that New York is a liberal bastion of secular humanism...that's BS, my friends....we still have some of the Blue Laws in effect.

Too bad that the Dutch let go of New Amsterdam so easily....we who now live here could be enjoying the finest Cannabis right now, without fear of imprisonment...like in old Amsterdam....but NO, we had to go and join the confederation of American colonies....what fools! Liberty, my ass!

By: Loner on 11/6/12 at 2:45

Slack...who? Burch or Yogi...or both?

By: slacker on 11/6/12 at 2:51

Loner, the sad old man. Burch can be rehabilitated, with proper propaganda, from the hot Fox chicks.

By: gdiafante on 11/6/12 at 2:54

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers/ineligible.asp

Once again...FAIL...lol

I think the troll actually has a negative IQ...

By: govskeptic on 11/6/12 at 3:01

"Democracy Plaza" what a cute name NBC has for their election night coverage, the
hut they have built there looks like a Chicken coop with a large picture window to view
the frozen pond. It too will explode tonight in case of a Romney win, with Joe & Mikka,
Ed & Al, along with Tom & John scattered all over the ice. Some crucial states come in early tonight which might be helpful on determination of potential winner , but there's also two crucial but smaller ones that come in last with closing times. Just guessing
that if there's to be a concession speech at all, it will take past midnight to happen.

By: yogiman on 11/6/12 at 3:17

Did you have to quit counting when it got to the trillions, Loner? I know, that's a confusing number to us... but Barry doesn't have to count it. He just has to hand it out.

By: gdiafante on 11/6/12 at 3:22

http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html

Congress controls the purse strings

Fail #2, and that's within a span of less than an hour. It's like shooting fish in a barrel...

By: brrrrk on 11/6/12 at 3:25

gdiafante said

"Fail #2, and that's within a span of less than an hour. It's like shooting fish in a barrel..."

Only the fish are smarter.....

By: bfra on 11/6/12 at 3:27

Even the worms the fish eat are smarter!

By: brrrrk on 11/6/12 at 3:53

"As you describe me I can picture myself as I was, 22 years ago. The portrait is correct. You think I have grown some; upon my word there was room for it. You have described a callow fool, a self-sufficient ass, a mere human tumble-bug, stern in air, heaving at his bit of dung & imagining he is re-modeling the world & is entirely capable of doing it right. Ignorance, intolerance, egotism, self-assertion, opaque perception, dense & pitiful chuckle-headedness -- & an almost pathetic unconsciousness of it all. That is what I was at 19 - 20; & that is what the average Southerner is at 60 to-day. Northerners, too, of a certain grade. It is of children like this that voters are made. And such is the primal source of our government! A man hardly knows whether to swear or cry over it." - Mark Twain

By: Mike Burch on 11/6/12 at 4:03

Politico is reporting one state, NH, with Obama ahead 65% to 33% ...

By: Rasputin72 on 11/6/12 at 4:34

The Popular vote may be a 52 to 48% thing in favor of Obama. The electoral vote will show that this race was never close. The closeness was a manifpulation by both the liberal press and what is left of the conservative media and press.

If there are those of you who want to go to bed early,all you have to do is wait until Pennsylvania declares an electoral winner. If Pennsylvania goes for Obama then you can bet that the vast majority of the other swing states will follow on the Obama side.

Florida is really the only swing state that may wind up in the Romney count.

By: Adman on 11/6/12 at 4:40

I have just come in from the car and I heard reports of extremely heavy voter turnout in the republican strongholds around Cincinnati, and in Fort Myers, Naples, and Pasco County Fl. That was reported along with reports of lower Dem outcomes in early voting then in 2008. Who knows? We will know when all the votes are counted.