Up for Debate: Evaluating teachers' scores

Tuesday, March 20, 2012 at 12:50am

Should teacher evaluation scores be published along with the names of the teachers?

119 Comments on this post:

By: Ummm... on 3/20/12 at 4:32

Should online newspaper forum debate question authors' performance evaluations be published along with their names?

By: dargent7 on 3/20/12 at 4:45

No.
Back to the future.....
I can't believe Manning signed with Denver. 5 years...$95. million.
Any team, even Bud Adams, would of given him the money.
But, the truly amazing thing is the Broncos have to now trade Tebow.
Tebow was amazing last year. He's no Manning in star power at this point, but had the potential. Jackson Jaguars.
Either Bud Adams needs a better team of players or a better bank that allows for Free Checking. He's losing everybody and won't get anywhere near a Super Bowl.

By: gdiafante on 3/20/12 at 5:27

I can believe it, Darge. Better coach, better players, better GM. The Titans are mediocre to bad. The only positive was the very loose connection to UT, but the way fans overreacted...the way the local media completely dropped the ball...Manning said he didn't want to be in a circus...that's exactly what it was here.

Now, you have fans and local media angry, hoping he doesn't win another game...as if he was obligated to sign here...He made the right choice.

By: govskeptic on 3/20/12 at 5:31

Too soon to tell whether today's questions brings about more pros than
cons. Parents and taxpayers do have some right to know if their children's
teachers are competent or not. That would certainly be something new
that we've never had access to in the past, but there are always the
unintended consequences that might arise. What we do need less of is
every time a complaint is filed against a teacher, the TV cameras rush out
to stick a camera in the parent's face for a one sided account of what
that very mean teacher has done to their always innocent "little darling"!

By: Loner on 3/20/12 at 5:40

Good morning, Nashville.

This is a copy/paste of my comment that I left on the main board for this story:

Jesse Register sez; "If you think about it in terms of a constructive process, focusing on best practice, of really having productive conversations on how do you improve practices, then publishing a teacher’s name in a paper is sort of counter to that,”

This Register character is so full of intelligent-sounding buzzwords and catchy phrases that his speech is intelligible only to himself and very few others...this man is a phony....replace him with somebody who speaks plain English, not esoteric and arcane gibberish.

By: Loner on 3/20/12 at 5:47

Why single out public school teachers for public evaluation and public scrutiny like this?

We should publish evaluations of the policemen first, before we start in on harassing the teachers.

Let's evaluate the doctors and lawyers too...public postings about their competence ratings etc.

Should we evaluate the competence of our lawmakers in this same fashion?

Let's investigate, evaluate and publish the findings on the preachers and priests too....let's not leave your mailman out of the cross-hairs...let's evaluate them too.

Evaluations and public humiliation is a slippery slope....if we start with the lawmakers themselves, these goofy ideas quickly fade away.

By: dargent7 on 3/20/12 at 6:09

gD: You are right. No way will Manning last 5 years. He'd be 42. Another Farve?
He got that 5 year deal in Indy and didn't take a snap.
Elway must of given him some "special favors" in the Men's locker room. Or Women's.

By: Loner on 3/20/12 at 6:19

Ummm....you may be on to something there...this is yesterday's ho-hum news.

Gd, Darge, maybe Tebow will come to the Buckle of the Bible Belt? A match made in Heaven: TT & the Titans....whuppin' the devil's ass.

By: Loner on 3/20/12 at 6:22

Can an old geezer like Peyton acclimate himself to the rarefied air at Mile High stadium...or will all those old concussions come back to haunt him in the oxygen-deprived atmosphere of Denver...look for telltale drooling.

By: gdiafante on 3/20/12 at 6:23

A better match would be Tebow in Jacksonville. The Titans already have Hasselback and Locker. But, who knows with Adams. It's not like the coach and GM have a say.

By: Kosh III on 3/20/12 at 6:27

"Should we evaluate the competence of our lawmakers in this same fashion? "

That's easy: F F F D- F F F F F F F D- F F F ................

This is just another phase on the assault on public education and literacy: the plutocrats want a illiterate impoverished peasantry which is happy to have scraps of bread and plenty of circuses.

By: govskeptic on 3/20/12 at 6:30

"look for telltale drooling", hell we can find that on these postings!

By: Loner on 3/20/12 at 6:34

I concur Kosh...and yes, Gov, I also concur with your observation....we keep a drool bucket & mop handy here.

I think that TT has more potential than your 2 present QB's, Gd...just my gut feeling on that...TT is good, you gotta admit it...I don't like the faith-based BS, but he is a great QB, IMO.

By: gdiafante on 3/20/12 at 6:41

No, I don't admit it, Loner. He's not good, he's lucky. He's lucky that he was on a team where the defense allowed them to stay in games for three quarters.

You know you're not a good quarterback when the OC institutes the option play as your entire offensive scheme. I imagine John Elway puked several times each game.

By: yogiman on 3/20/12 at 6:53

Loner,

You missed the news media on your list of "parties" that should be rated. Was that an honest mistake... or intentional?

By: Loner on 3/20/12 at 7:00

Ummm started the thread off by gently suggesting that we evaluate the media...I later concurred.

And yes we could evaluate each NCP poster...the results are instantly publicized, right here on the online site....but I like to let a sleeping dog lie....keeps the fleas from jumping ship.

By: Loner on 3/20/12 at 7:04

Lucky or blessed, Gd....or just plain talented....maybe all three? We shall see...TT ought to run with Santorum for VP...a couple of devout Holy Warriors on a mission.

By: Loner on 3/20/12 at 7:06

All reform laws should apply to the reformers first, then to the general population....this would eliminate a lot of the hypocrisy.

By: BenDover on 3/20/12 at 7:06

I don't think it's a good idea.

By: BenDover on 3/20/12 at 7:14

Now... to an important issue... why isn't gunwalker a national story? They crucified Nixon because a rouge group of political hacks stole the Democrats black book of prostitutes. Gunwalker gets hundreds of people killed including a border agent and it's all, "move along... nothing to see here". It was an obvious set-up during the acme of the Obama administration's arrogance to undermine the case for gun rights in this country but it goes largely unreported. Where's the special prosecutor?

By: Loner on 3/20/12 at 7:21

The slippery slope of publicly-aired subjective evaluations is getting bad reviews this morning...Jesse Register is a proponent of the scheme....let us evaluate Mister Register and his job performance....let's publicize Jesse's Dossier...the padded resume or whatever the case may be...let's start the digging right there...at the summit of the slippery slope.

Yogi, have you checked on Register's Birth Certificate?

By: Loner on 3/20/12 at 7:26

OMG, Ben Dover, the advocate of limited government is calling for another Archibald Cox...another Kenneth Starr....another "Special Prosecutor" ...to investigate the AG's Office....those guys work for years and never find anything, it seems..they do serve as an expensive partisan thorn in the side of a sitting POTUS, but they do little more than that.

By: Loner on 3/20/12 at 7:30

When we hold our Presidential elections, perhaps there should be a spot on the ballot for the Special Prosecutor, to investigate whoever wins the election...they could serve by default...if the Dem wins, the Republican Special Prosecutor wins and vice versa....this would add to the partisan gridlock right off the bat...no more "honeymoon" period.

By: yogiman on 3/20/12 at 7:47

Yes, Loner, I noticed Ummm listed the news media in his first post..., but you left them out of yours. I was simply wondering why; an error, or intentional.

And, Loner, since Jesse Register isn't sitting in the Oval office they don't need to prove their place of birth for their job. But I'll bet if they were asked, their birth certificate would readily be shown.

By: BenDover on 3/20/12 at 7:50

Holder runs the most activist and corrupt 'justice' department in modern history, Loner.

By: gdiafante on 3/20/12 at 7:52

Jeez Ben...you really are a conspiracy theorist...undermining gun rights?

You guys have to admit, Obama is a great multi-tasker...participating in vast conspiracy to hold office illegally, mastermind government takeover of private industry, secret plot to bankrupt the government, declare war on Middle East, devised secret plot to influence global oil prices in order to increase the price in America, under the table maneuvering to increase taxes on wealthy thereby creating a class war which transforms America into a Marxist state, manipulate and/or blackmail entire global media to coverup any anti-Obama information, secret plot to undermind and eventually repeal the 2nd amendment which would clear the way to issue his decree of marial law thus completing his ascendancy as King of the United States.

Or...not.

lol

By: gdiafante on 3/20/12 at 7:55

s/h/b martial law...I was laughing when I typed that, forgive the mistakes.

By: Loner on 3/20/12 at 7:56

Well. looks like the Lone One ruffled the webmaste's plumage at Bloomberg News this morning...My comments were banned or deleted on this Bloomberg page:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-03-19/israelis-grow-confident-strike-on-iran-s-nukes-can-work.html

The Webmaster (Bloomberg View) came online, after throwing me out, and posted this comment:

Hi, folks! Please remember this is a public forum for comments related to the column. Comments that are abusive or off-topic will not be posted. Please let us know your view on the following:

Is Benjamin Netanyahu bluffing on an Iran attack?

Of course, I responded... with this comment, which probably will never be published:

Bloomberg View:

My views were relevant..but unpopular...what did not get through moderation has been deleted.

I would comment on the question, as to whether Bibi is bluffing or not, but I feel most unwelcome here....and my views would be banned or deleted....I'll exit the site voluntarily...no need to ban my IP or call the Mossad...I got the message.

As for Bloomberg allowing for diversity in views....now that is a bluff...Bluffing Bloomberg...he's just kidding.

One final rhetorical: Has Bloomberg purchased Disqus too? (End of Post)

I love the NCP, because it allows for a diversity of views and it does not "moderate", censor, delete and ban posts or posters....this site is a precious commodity...do not under-rate it.

By: BenDover on 3/20/12 at 7:59

Sometimes when there's smoke there is fire gd.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/03/connecting_the_dots_on_fast_and_furious.html

By: BenDover on 3/20/12 at 8:03

As for the media, if they gave Obama equal treatment he'd be in the high 30's approval range right now.

By: yogiman on 3/20/12 at 8:06

I must agree, Loner, the NCP is an open door for all thoughts, good or bad, as beauty in the eyes of the beholder.

But I'm afraid, at the same time, you also differ with NCP on that issue. You and several of your fellow posters think your thoughts should be the only ones posted on this site.

It seems if you don't agree, it shouldn't be posted because you don't agree with it.

By: yogiman on 3/20/12 at 8:13

BenDover,

I kinda disagree with you on your news media post. I believe if the news media gave Obama equal treatment he would [maybe] hit the upper 20s to possibly the low 30s range. Because if they gave him equal treatment too many people would learn just who in the hell he is and wonder how they got suckered in as they did.

By: bfra on 3/20/12 at 8:32

yogi - Nobody agrees with lies posted 24/7 and no proof of anything you say! Others offer proof and interesting input, not just BS like you post.

By: gdiafante on 3/20/12 at 8:44

Sometimes when there's smoke, there's the smoking man from X-files.

I doubt yogi will get the connection.

By: Loner on 3/20/12 at 8:44

Ben, from the site your sited:

Breuer and Weinstein were already involved with Fast and Furious by late January, and both also knew of Project Wide Receiver. The two programs were both under the umbrella of Project Gunrunner, which began as an experiment at Laredo ATF in 2005 and went national in 2006.

Wide Receiver was run out of the Phoenix field division in Tucson in 2006 and 2007. The program was done in conjunction with Mexican authorities, and all guns were to be traced.

However, most of the 450 guns slipped through, either because of lax enforcement or the efforts by the straw purchasers to avoid tracking. The operation was shut down in October 2007.

Uh...sounds like this fiasco is one of Bush & Cheney's bright ideas...Obama was nowhere near the White House when the stupidity started.

Let's begin the investigation with Bush & Cheney....we'll hire a Democratic Special Prosecutor...now I'm warming to your suggestion, Ben.

By: Loner on 3/20/12 at 8:47

Homophone Error & Typo: "site your sited" s/h/b "site you cited"...my bad.

By: Loner on 3/20/12 at 8:54

Update on my relationship with Bloomberg News:

I just revisited the Bloomberg site and this notice was there: The site has blocked you from posting new comments.

I think this was a one-day affair....Bloomie has had enough, after only two or three posts..."Loner Verboten, Raus!".... Goebbel's style.

That's four major Jewish-owned sites that have now blackballed me...a memo must have gone out....I am flattered to be considered dangerous to apartheid Zionism.

By: BigPapa on 3/20/12 at 9:05

Im not too keen on the idea of teacher evaluations.

Every evaluation will have an area listed where someone can improve. That is what the parents and such will focus on, and the fact that their kid is only in the teachers class for 1 year, heck maybe even one semester, they will never know if later on the teacher did indeed improve that weakness.

If a teacher has been reprimanded for the same thing a number times, sure that needs to be public, but the evaluations seems to be too much.

By: Loner on 3/20/12 at 9:22

A consensus is forming...Jesse Register and the teacher evaluation advocates are on the wrong side of this issue....the right and the left seem to agree, singling out public school teachers for public scrutiny, based upon subjective evaluations, is not a good idea.

By: yogiman on 3/20/12 at 9:39

bfra,

How much PROOF do you want other than Obama's autobiography? Or do you just know so much more about him you can't read him as a liar in his writing?

I sure wish I knew as much about him as you seem to think you know.

By: pswindle on 3/20/12 at 9:44

Haslam, and the Legislative body are taking the citizens of TN rights away. Evaluations, abortions, and unions are jus a few of the rights that we no longer have. Wake up TN and get this monsters out of office.

By: gdiafante on 3/20/12 at 9:46

I think the citizens of TN, for the most part, either don't care or are too stupid to realize it, pswindle.

By: BenDover on 3/20/12 at 9:47

If they were to actually act upon the evaluations then I would see a purpose in that; but publishing them is only going to create a lot of unnecessary hysteria that cannot be remedied.

The teachers should be rewarded on their relative results and administrators based on their school's collective relative results.

By: yogiman on 3/20/12 at 9:54

gdiafante,

You and a couple of your cohorts are right on one aspect on this site. As I commented when I came on this site I was no master on a computer. We didn't have them when I was a kid like you all are now.

But to "say" I haven't posted any references, I must have missed on something. I believe I have posted recommendations but I haven't read one comment from any of you after your reading of it.

I can only presume because it's your admiration of the man in the Oval Office when you don't even know his actual name. So let me recommend a couple of more.

//libertyheralddispatch.patriotactionnetwork.com/2012/03/02/why-not-prove-it/

You might also look at blog.patriotactionnetwork.com/2012/03/08/obama-tells-msm-be-quiet-about-sheriff-joe-and-the-birth-certificate/

Or try social.patriotactionnetwork.com/forum-topics-obama-v-the-law-of-nations-s/

Or check out revlarry.patriotactionnetwork.com/2011/12/09/obamas-long-war-against-the-u-s-constitution/

Try it, you might like it; but I doubt it.

By: brrrrk on 3/20/12 at 9:56

I'm not surprised that Denver is getting rid of Tebow. From what I've heard from a few little birds that I know that live in the Denver area, the Broncos coaching staff were starting to see Tebow as a public relations albatross around their necks. Any coaching decision they made that had to do with Tebow became a huge media issue; with the Tebow faithful bitching up a storm if they saw anything they didn't like or if they thought Tebow was being "slighted" for any reason. Personally I think Denver is perfectly happy making Tebow someone elses headache.

By: yogiman on 3/20/12 at 10:02

gdiafante, are you saying they are too stupid for accepting Haslam as a Republican Governor, but they would be brilliant for accepting Barack Obama as a Democratic President even though he refused to prove his eligibility? Gimma a brake.

By: dargent7 on 3/20/12 at 10:08

Yogi": You are the epitome of a "Twlight Zone" episode.
Like the one, "To Serve Man" a book by aliens which turned out to be a cookbook...
Barack Obama used "Barry Seranto" to attend H.S. school in Hawai'i.
Why does Willard Romney use, "Mitt"? What's Mitt supposed to mean?
Or, last birth name, McPherson, go by "Gingrich"?
You cannot follow any logical explaination.

By: Funditto on 3/20/12 at 10:13

Lost my job - I'm back. I see Yogi is still beating a dead horse. Nice to know some things don't change

By: Loner on 3/20/12 at 10:13

Check out this story, about the neighborhood watchman who gunned down an unarmed black kid in Florida recently:

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2012/03/reports-treyvon-martin-was-on-cellphone-when-he-was-shot/1?csp=34news#.T2ing9lVLiQ

The local police were giving the shooter a pass...until the feds and the media stuck their noses into this...."Stand Your Ground", the new Florida Gun Rights Law, sounds like the title of a John Wayne Western....Floridian lawmakers must have a testosterone imbalance....this law is a great example of why "states rights" is a dubious concept.

If you go to Google News, a recording of the shooter's 9-11 cell-phone call is out there...the shooter refers to the kid as an "asshole" as he chases him before gunning him down....the kid had gone out for candy at a local convenience store....he was a fine, upstanding young man....what a terrible waste.

By: brrrrk on 3/20/12 at 10:18

yogiman said

"How much PROOF do you want other than Obama's autobiography? Or do you just know so much more about him you can't read him as a liar in his writing?

I sure wish I knew as much about him as you seem to think you know."

So yogi, where's all that evidence that "The Donald" said he had? Oh No!!! Could it be that "The Donald" is actually a member of the Obama secret police whose job it is to round up all the good Christians in this country; only to have them serve out the rest of their lives working at a Planned Parenthood clinic in a section of town populated by Muslims? Oh No........ the horror!!!!!