Up for Debate: A felonious foreman

Thursday, January 31, 2013 at 10:05pm

Who should be more embarrassed that a felon was tapped to lead a grand jury in 2011, the judge who picked him or the district attorney who didn't perform a background check? More importantly what, if anything, should happen with the cases handled during that grand jury's term? Should the cases be remanded? Or does it matter little?

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66 Comments on this post:

By: Rasputin72 on 1/31/13 at 11:39

I am sure our legal system will muddle its way through this debacle in a manner consistent with muddling.

By: Captain Nemo on 2/1/13 at 3:47

Rasputin should know, he has used such tactics to get through live.

By: Ask01 on 2/1/13 at 4:46

The entire system should be ashamed and embarrassed, but I'm almost certain all the public will witness is a flurry of finger pointing and accusations designed to deflect blame. After all, the concept of admitting an error and owning up to the fact is a foreign idea for many judges and attorneys.

No action should be taken by the state unless concrete evidence surfaces to demonstrate the outcome of any case was influenced by the presence of the 'felonious foreman.'

Anyone convicted who challenges the outcome of their trial, however, should have that right. After all, if the citizen was at fault for some problem, the state would spare no expense making that person's life miserable.

Too bad all the high sounding ideas about paying a debt to society we heard growing up was a load of cow dung.

By: Kosh III on 2/1/13 at 6:14

Any good reason why the Grand Jury system should be abolished. It no longer effectively serves it's purpose and we'd be better off letting a magistrate decide.
The UK, from whence we got the GJ abandoned their use decades ago and hasn't yet collapsed into anarchy and lawlessness.

By: Kosh III on 2/1/13 at 6:14

another good reason

lo siento

By: Loner on 2/1/13 at 6:21

Good morning, Nashville.

I would say that every action taken by this tainted grand jury is suspect. All those convicted by this kangaroo court should demand a review, retrial or outright dismissal of the charges.

This is more than simply being an embarrassment; this was gross incompetence and a total miscarriage of justice....legal heads ought to roll over it.....millions of dollars may have been wasted on obtaining convictions that may now be overturned....this is what you get, when substandard officials (political lackies) are in power...corruption and/or incompetence is inevitable.

By: govskeptic on 2/1/13 at 6:48

I had never heard of Judge Monty until this story broke, but it is a reminder of how the
selection of Judges in our state was changed from the Constitutionally elected
system to the unlawful Missouri System to appease the legal communities wishes.

The Jury Foreman is almost an extension of the DA's office when hearing the
testimony of witnesses of cases being presented. With that in mind DA Johnson
should have been involved with background checks long ago, but never too late
to start now. Biggest question is: based on what did this Judge decide to pick
this shady looking fellow as it's foreman for that session of the Grand Jury?

By: Loner on 2/1/13 at 6:58

I agree, Gov....git a rope!

By: Loner on 2/1/13 at 7:01

A change of venue along with a new trial are reasonable requests by anyone who was harmed by this judicial travesty....the DA and the judge involved ought to be disrobed, defrocked or whatever it is that they do to dirty and/or stupid judges and prosecutors..

By: Loner on 2/1/13 at 7:11

From the original article:

The case came to the DA’s attention when an employee was combing through files two weeks ago. The employee spotted Grayer’s name on a 2010 letter from the state saying that he had been denied a hand-gun permit due to his felony conviction. The employee recognized Grayer’s name and brought it to Johnson’s attention.

Grayer was convicted of an attempt to commit a felony after scheming to commit theft.

So, the guy who presided over 900 criminal cases is a thief and a felon who tried to purchase firearms....and Judge Monty never vetted the guy....time to retire this apparently addled judge.

The employee who combed through the files and blew the whistle is probably about to be fired....imagine all the "trouble" that honest employee has started....whistle blowers in the red states often get the shaft....once the dust settles, this honest employee will probably be quietly sacked...to send a message to other would-be whistle blowers.....since this is a right to fire state, the whistle blower is now in danger of employment reprisal....or worse.

By: Loner on 2/1/13 at 7:53

This Grayer dude, the felonious foreman, must have misrepresented himself or lied about his criminal past...but, maybe he was never asked about his criminal record...if he lied about it, then he ought to be sent to the slammer for fraud, if nothing else...that joker may end up costing the state millions of scarce dollars....but the DA and the judge bear the major responsibility for screwing up royally...they should both be sacked immediately....how did they get into office? Must have been cronyism and the good old boy network...they are both well below acceptable standards.

By: Loner on 2/1/13 at 7:58

Was the felonious foreman actually an ex-con? Grayer must have done time...felony convictions are not usually dismissed or settled without incarceration.of the perp. The NCP could have dug a little deeper on this story...there is more to this than meets the eye...I small a couple of rats...fat, robed rats....follow the money.

By: Loner on 2/1/13 at 7:59

Oy! s/h/b: " ...I smell a couple of rats..." ( Need my meds. )

By: Loner on 2/1/13 at 8:02

IMO, all 900 cases that the felon presided over were tainted and they should all be revisited. This could and should cost the government dearly...they screwed up and they should be held fully accountable. Kerching!

By: Loner on 2/1/13 at 8:06

Is this a case of gross incompetence or gross corruption? The NCP needs to go in there and dig around...which sorry "explanation" for this major screw-up is accurate? The public has a right to know all the dirty details of this fiasco.

By: Loner on 2/1/13 at 8:10

I can see several wrongful imprisonment cases coming out of this...lawsuits could be overwhelming...huge settlements could be coming to those who were railroaded by this tainted Judge and Jury. Let justice prevail.

By: Loner on 2/1/13 at 8:13

The legal fees that defendants paid and then were wrongfully convicted by a tainted judge & jury ought to be reimbursed fully..just for starters....lawyers may be flocking to the Coonskin Cap state, once the word spreads, this could be huge.

By: Loner on 2/1/13 at 8:28

Breaking News...US Embassy in Turkey hit by suicide bomber...one American dead, so far....John McCain and the GOP will try to make this another Benghazi....McCain's grilling of a real American hero, Chuck Hagel, was quite disgusting....McCain accepted more money from the Israel lobby than anyone in Congress...except for Joe Lieberman, who is now retired.... Lindsey Graham is also on the Israel lobby payroll...all of Hagel's detractors are on the take to that lobby...they sold out US interests, in favor of Israel's interests.... and these traitors have the chutzpah to denigrate Chuck Hagel.

By: Loner on 2/1/13 at 8:36

Thanks to the bad advice from the Israel lobby, we are engaging in a counter-productive war on terrorism.

Instead of addressing the root causes of Muslim antipathy towards the USA, we foolishly play Whack-a-Mole with terrorist groups and individuals...as we whack more and more of them...using the predator drones etc., more "moles" appear to replace those whacked...the pace of mole replacement will just increase, until we can't whack them fast enough...and the moles win the game...then the Samson Option kicks in....Armageddon dead ahead.

I certainly hope and pray that I am wrong on this grim prediction....Holy Wars Suck.

By: bobyounts@comca... on 2/1/13 at 8:40

Every one of the criminal cases that involved this grand jury should be thrown out. ALL of the court costs paid by the defendants should be immediately refunded and there records expunged. Nobody should be re-tried; "double jeopardy" you know. Like the Department of Children Services, total incompetence and criminal negligence rule the day. I swear, Tennesseans are the most incompetent, weak-minded people in the USA.

By: yogiman on 2/1/13 at 8:52


You make me laugh every day. You constantly accuse me of being a racist because of my arguments about Obama, but you belittle Israel every day. So, arre you denying you're a Jewish hater? It sure looks like it to me.

By: Loner on 2/1/13 at 8:57

Bobyounts, welcome to the board...I agree with your analysis and conclusion....no re-trials, all legal costs reimbursed to defendants, criminal records expunged... exoneration along with compensation for pain and suffering.....you are right, this is a case of criminal negligence on the part of the Judge and the DA....but this is the old boy network, they all live in glass houses...nobody wants to throw the first stone.

The feds may have to intervene...the cover-ups will be extensive.

By: Loner on 2/1/13 at 9:03

Bobyounts, I hope that you will comment on the Up For Debate boards more often in the future...I'm already convinced that you could be a welcome addition to our little posting community of "regulars" here. Sadly, some articulate and well-informed posters have left this board, citing a certain troll as the turn-off that they could no longer tolerate.

Again, welcome to the discussion.

By: BenDover on 2/1/13 at 9:12

I'd sure be challenging any judgement and conviction that came as a result of this Jury's tenure.

By: JohnGalt on 2/1/13 at 10:19

According to the Daily Disgrace, Grayer checked "no" on his handgun carry permit application regarding felony convictions resulting in his denial.

The following language appears on the handgun carry permit application I signed:

"I hereby affirm under oath that the answers to the above questions are true and correct. I understand that making any false oral or written statement or exhibiting any false or misrepresented identification or documentation, with the intent to deceive, is punishable as a felony offense pursuant to the penalties of perjury. (T. C. A. §39-16-702)"

Could he have committed another felony by signing the application without disclosing his felony?

By: dargent7 on 2/1/13 at 12:25

This country in the legal system, magnifies the details.
If cops pull you over for a broken tailight, smell marijuana, have a K-9 Unit sniff out 200#'s of weed....the judge will throw the conviction out if the drivers were proven to be, "profiled".
Or, weren't Marandized in Spanish, Korean, Manderine, Chinese, etc.
Casey Anthony was in the news yesterday...like OJ, who breathing doesn't know she killed her daughter?
If this guy IS a felon, all cases he served on will be re-tried.
"Birthers", like Donald Trump, want Obama to be proven to be born in Kenya. If he was, and it is proven, all 8 years of his two terms of laws signed, will be expunged.

By: bnakat on 2/1/13 at 11:36

@Loner: With no malice aforethought, may I offer a bit of constructive criticism? Day after day I read your provocative comments. It seems that over the last year or so, you have intensified your assaults on all things conservative, and Tennessee.

Are you any less obsessed with modern day Israel than yogiman is with the birthplace of the president? No doubt you will assert that your cause is just, while his is ignoble. Your pontification on virtually ever topic is nearing that of Burch, who is unmatched in hubris by any other on this board.

You are somewhat of a wordsmith, and usually well articulate a position. That sir, does not assure that your opinion is always valid. With no offense intended, in slang parlance, "Come back down to earth, man." Thanks.

By: yogiman on 2/2/13 at 6:59

A very good 'argument', bnakat. And I will maintain my argument on Obama being in that office until he offers proper papers proving he is. I believe my argument is just.

If you haven't seen it, may I offer a WOW! you tube view. Go to;
www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeYscnFpEyA/ I like what that man said.

By: yogiman on 2/2/13 at 7:13

Could Obama be a small issue for America? I've read an interesting article about China in a "take over" process.


By: Rasputin72 on 2/2/13 at 7:21

Bnakat............LONER like a lot of us when we were young used the immortality that only youth can provide to be a part of the defiant world of "hippieism"

By the time he discovered that his brain was more potent than his ability to change the world he did not have the resume to be accepted into the world he tried to change.

He aged and mellowed and as the years passed he once again renewed his vendetta against the establishment. This time from a position of resentment for his own bad choices as a youth.

He loves the sound and type of the intelligence that he stuffed away for a doobie and being a part of the free spirit movement.

This little forum complete with a few shutins and wannabees 600 miles from home gives him a chance to practice his internet evangelism.

On the days that he is able to couch his bias against those who have achieved what he should have achieved he can weave a lot of logic into his anti-establishment "preachings"

By: budlight on 2/2/13 at 7:42

Bnakat, Rasputin has hit the nail on the head as did you. Loner is just that -- a loner!
And I especially like the following:

"Are you any less obsessed with modern day Israel than yogiman is with the birthplace of the president? No doubt you will assert that your cause is just, while his is ignoble. Your pontification on virtually ever topic is nearing that of Burch, who is unmatched in hubris by any other on this board."

Glad I read it.

By: Loner on 2/2/13 at 7:53

John Galt and Bnakat used to frequent these boards years ago; now, they pop-in from time to time; usually with a hit & run caustic comment.

I appreciate your critique, Bnakat. I agree, I do take a few swipes at what they call, "conservatism" today...and yes, nobody here talks about Israel and the "special relationship" more than yours truly. Guilty as charged.

Bnakat, you asked, "Are you any less obsessed with modern day Israel than yogiman is with the birthplace of the president?" That's easy...I am definitely less obsessed with Israel than Yogi is with the president's birth certificate. As you yourself stated, " Your pontification on virtually every topic is nearing that of Burch, who is unmatched in hubris by any other on this board." Pontification on virtually every topic is not an indication of obsession with a single topic, is it?

I am flattered to be compared with Mike Burch, but disappointed that you, Bnakat, would put me in the same category as our annoying birther troll. I can't see how it is possible for me to be Burch-like and Yogi-like at the same time...could you explain that?

By: Loner on 2/2/13 at 7:59

Rasp, I live in the real world and I'm doing a pretty good job of enjoying life and contributing to society. Your attempts to fool us into believing that you are a jet-setting playboy of the western world have fooled nobody...except for yogi and budlight.

You live in a fantasy world, Rasp...lectures from you, about my failures and shortcomings ring hollow.....give it a rest, my friend....your jealousy and envy give you away...you are a disgruntled old man living in a world of self-delusion...I actually pity you.

Have a good day.

By: Loner on 2/2/13 at 8:04

Bud, you too are suffering from selfbullshitization....it's a human coping mechanism....whatever it takes to get you through the day....you appear to be an unhappy and rather shallow person.....Good luck.

By: Ask01 on 2/2/13 at 8:37

Excellent comments, Loner.

I believe most of us on this board fall into the same category as you. We've contributed to society and enjoy life. I have personally had my share of failures and disappointments, but like most well adjusted people have overcome those minor bumps and emerged better for the experience.

I have my pet peeves, as do most, but try not dwell too long on those minor irritants. Allowing people and problems to become an overriding obsession is, in my layman's opinion, indicative of current or future mental health problems.

What is supremely funny, to me anyway, is how all these coping mechanisms you identified were covered in classes on human behavior I took while in the military.

As I recall, these all play back to Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs. Failure to adequately deal with denial or not earning any of these needs can trigger the coping methods and compensation.

It is truly amazing how the lessons learned so long ago are still valid even today.

Have a wonderful day, Loner.

By: yogiman on 2/2/13 at 8:46

I'm amazed by you lack of intelligence, Loner. You have made so many negative comments about me it's hard to count how many... when you don't even know what you're talking about.

You've constantly accused me of being a racist because of my argument on Obama's eligibility of that office. The fact that I've stated race has nothing to do with it means nothing to you.

But my argument of you and your "buddies" on this site supporting a man in that office whom you have no idea who in the hell he is or where he came from being idiots remains firm.

By: Ask01 on 2/2/13 at 8:59

Loner, haven't you found that those who most vehemently claim not to be racists are usually the worst type?

By: Rasputin72 on 2/2/13 at 9:15

LONER.......No one ever said that you were not smart enough to live within your means nor ignorant enough not to find enjoyment among your peers.

You are correct about one thing. I am not a jet setter. I am an everyday retired 1 to 1 1/2 percenter who has a phobia about people who have never accomplished anything significant posting suggestions about topics 10 times over their intellectual heads.

By: Rasputin72 on 2/2/13 at 9:35

LONER.........I do take responsibility for being an elitist. A failing on my part that I will take to a modest masoleum.

For as long as you have acquired awareness there has always been a Rasputin to spoil your broth. It may have been a nun or it may have been a supervisor but it was always a person who did not see you as you saw yourself.

In case you have not taken the time to reconcile your life there will always be a Rasputin staring you in the face.

Now, I take leave of the podium you revere.

By: pswindle on 2/2/13 at 10:42

Are there evidence that the cases were not treated fairly? Has the other jurors been questioned? All of the jurors have to be in on the decisions. I feel that we need more information before we jump off of the chiff.

By: yogiman on 2/2/13 at 11:15

You should actually know someone personally before you make a personal comment about them, Ask01, to justify your remark. Don't just follow up on someone else' posted comments when they obviously don't know the person any better than yourself.

By: yogiman on 2/2/13 at 1:54

I've just read of a Senate Bill [107] proposed to limit "per diem" expense payments to lawmakers who live within a 50 mile radius of Nashville. It states they would receive a smaller expense allowance to cover FOOD and incidentals. When did we start buying their meals? How many private companies furnish meals for their employees? None that I've ever worked for. And, of course, the House has a comparative bill under proposal.

Are they doing us a favor by serving in our legislature and we should pay them more than their salary; or are we doing them a favor to let them serve?

And buy their meals? I can see furnishing the ones that live a long distance a room, but not their food as meals.

Maybe the state should set up a housing project for the legislature when they are in session. Furnish them a room and a cafe with cheap meals; but not free.

By: Loner on 2/2/13 at 3:28

Thank you, Ask01, for the kind comments. I agree, Yogi doth protest too much, methinks...too much denial...too many quotes from and references to Uncle Tom type Negroes...like Clarence Thomas and Allen West....factor in the claim of being a retired prison guard and yeah, the racist allegation tends to stick, regardless of the protestations.

By: Loner on 2/2/13 at 3:33

Rasp....cut the BS...if you really were in the top one percent, based on wealth, you'd have no trouble demonstrating the validity of the claim...I have suggested that you send us each a lousy C-note...as earnest money....to add credence to your boasting....for a tycoon, that's chicken feed and well worth the cost of credibility....you have refused to demonstrate your wealth...so, I conclude that you are a complete and utter phony....probably without a pot to piss in....a loser, living in a fantasy world....poor devil.

By: yogiman on 2/2/13 at 4:35

Careful, Loner.

You're exposing your mentality, or should I say lack it, with your comments on subjects you have no idea what you're saying.

But on the other hand, if you actually knew what you was "talking about", I sure wish I was as smart as you.

But, ahh heck, I know you don't. It looks like you have the brain of a Nu Yawker, you know it all when you don't know crap.

By: Rasputin72 on 2/2/13 at 6:17

LONER........You do not deserve the credit I give you fot intelligence.

If I lived 100 more years it would never occur to me to send money to six simpltons and a fanantical hippie as a sign of my success. You have to understand as I have indicated on a couple occasions that I do care whether or not you have locked bowels or lockjaw.

I post on this little 16 member forum ng.strictly to show my disrepect for opinions that have the same substance as alligator du

I will post from my vantage point in life and interpret it any way you like. If it is impossible for you to believe I exist then stop reponding.

By: Rasputin72 on 2/2/13 at 6:22

I do apologize for being totally inadequate at using a cell phone keyboard.

By: yogiman on 2/3/13 at 6:39

You don't need to apologize, Rasputin72. There is others on this site that make mistakes every day on a regular sized keyboard.

By: bfra on 2/3/13 at 6:47

Raspy just needs to apologize for letting himself get low enough to know what alligator dung consist of. That's really low Raspy!

By: Ask01 on 2/3/13 at 7:32

Very true, bfra.

However, no apology could possibly be sufficient to cover all his other transgressions.