Up for Debate: First Amendment limits

Tuesday, July 16, 2013 at 10:05pm

Do you believe the First Amendment goes too far? If so, what limits would you place on it? If not, do you think it doesn't go far enough?

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61 Comments on this post:

By: BenDover on 7/17/13 at 6:11

What kind of a country have we become that a newspaper asks this question?

By: BenDover on 7/17/13 at 6:14

We're about 2 generations deep in a society where the schools have conditioned the kids that tolerance is the only virtue and that liberty must be ceded to the authority for the sake of safety. God help us.

By: gdiafante on 7/17/13 at 6:14

What kind of country are we where a third think the First Amendment goes too far?

By: gdiafante on 7/17/13 at 6:25

...tolerance is the only virtue and that liberty must be ceded to the authority for the sake of safety...

Says the guy with a man-crush on Bush...cough Patriot Act cough...lol

God help us

I guess you didn't get the memo. God has a strict non-interference clause in his diety contract (it was amended about 2000 years ago).

By: BenDover on 7/17/13 at 6:45

Patriot was working quite well when it was aimed at terrorists and not political enemies. Who knew we'd have Nixon redoux in the following administration.

Bush's failed legacy is that he didn't anticipate the abuses. Cheney and his return to Unitary Executive paradigm might rank up there with the Murder of Archduke Ferdinand in world history when the final tally is in.

By: bfra on 7/17/13 at 6:58

Golly Ben, I wasn't aware that Nixon was a designer!

By: Jughead on 7/17/13 at 7:08

A juvenile question asked in a juvenile manner. No surprise considering the ignorant and uneducated society that we have become. We address complex issues on a grade school level, then watch the Kardashians.

The First Amendment has been twisted to support ideas absolutely unrelated to speech. In fact, the entire Bill of Rights has turned into a vehicle for the depraved to continue depraved conduct, and to keep criminals out of jail.

Sick. America is unraveling.

By: BenDover on 7/17/13 at 7:12

The only problem with the 1st amendment is that it has been construed as a right of the government to protect people from religion and not as a right to freely advocate and practice religion.

By: gdiafante on 7/17/13 at 7:14

We should be protected from religion. This isn't a Theocracy.

By: Rasputin72 on 7/17/13 at 7:20

Fiirst Amendment guarantes those with an IQ under 100 send wave links

By: grid on 7/17/13 at 7:23

I find this shocking!

I may not like what you say (might even despise it & find it hateful), but it is your right to say it. Any restrictions of rights should be carefully examined, and, if necessary, opposed.

By: Jughead on 7/17/13 at 7:25

goddamninfant: What about the "Free Exercise" clause?

Stupid moron. Snarky dolt educated by Al Sharpton.

By: Captain Nemo on 7/17/13 at 7:27

I was afraid of something like this would happen, when the Tea Bags let the Patriotic was became law.

My questions would be who were the people survived, there education and occupation?

By: BigPapa on 7/17/13 at 7:32

Ben surely you dont want the government advocating and practicing religion? I doubt you'd be too happy if a Muslim, or snakehandler or Satanist was leading your child in their daily prayer.

Keep your superstitions and magic spells to yourself and whatever you do on Sunday mornings.

By: gdiafante on 7/17/13 at 7:34

No surprise considering the ignorant and uneducated society that we have become. We address complex issues on a grade school level, then watch the Kardashians.

Then...goddamninfant:

Yeah...lol

And it's the Establishment Clause that we're talking about. Pay attention.

By: Captain Nemo on 7/17/13 at 7:39

By: BenDover on 7/17/13 at 7:45
Bush's failed legacy is that he didn't anticipate the abuses. Cheney and his return to Unitary Executive paradigm might rank up there with the Murder of Archduke Ferdinand in world history when the final tally is in.

Ben you welcome this when Bush rolled it out, now that it is biting you in the backside you raise questions. You were warned that this would happen, but the so-called American right-wing wanted a vengeful reaction.

By: Captain Nemo on 7/17/13 at 7:43

By: Rasputin72 on 7/17/13 at 8:20
Fiirst (sic) Amendment guarantes (sic) those with an IQ under 100 send wave links (sic)

Gee aren’t you glade it does old boy, you with a 98 IQ.

By: Captain Nemo on 7/17/13 at 7:46

Well said BigPapa in your 8:32 post.

By: BenDover on 7/17/13 at 7:51

I didn't say that Bigpapa. Government has said that people do not have to be subjected to others' free practice and promotion religion in public places and that is not the intent of the 1st at all. Quite the opposite, in fact.

Invocations at graduations... prayer at school sporting events... these were essential to preservation of our culture and now are blocked, ironically, under a misinterpretation of the 1st amendment which was supposed to protect political and religious speech and freedom.

By: Captain Nemo on 7/17/13 at 7:53

I ask at 8:27, “My questions would be who were the people survived, there education and occupation?”

Then the flea post and answers part of my question.

By: Jughead on 7/17/13 at 8:08
A juvenile question asked in a juvenile manner. No surprise considering the ignorant and uneducated society that we have become. We address complex issues on a grade school level, then (sic) watch the Kardashians.

The First Amendment has been twisted to support ideas absolutely unrelated to speech. In fact, the entire Bill of Rights has turned into a vehicle for the depraved to continue depraved conduct, and to keep criminals out of jail.
Sick. America is unraveling.

By: Captain Nemo on 7/17/13 at 7:58

By: Jughead on 7/17/13 at 8:25
goddamninfant:

Is this a Bush word? LOL

By: budlight on 7/17/13 at 8:09

By: gdiafante on 7/17/13 at 8:14
We should be protected from religion. This isn't a Theocracy.

You are protected from religion, g. The gov-ment cannot form a church or make anyone go to church or listen to church. And they cannot restrict anyone's right to practice their religion.

What more do you want?

By: Captain Nemo on 7/17/13 at 8:19

Government waste says;

You are protected from religion, g. The gov-ment cannot form a church or make anyone go to church or listen to church. And they cannot restrict anyone's right to practice their religion.

What more do you want?

Does that mean you can have human sacrifice, as long as it is religion?

By: BenDover on 7/17/13 at 8:24

Oh hell... why not go for the Trifecta...

I'm fine with Gay Marriage but there's no way a judge should decide the issue.

By: BenDover on 7/17/13 at 8:25

The first amendment is a freedom 'of' religious speech not a freedom 'from' religious speech.

By: BenDover on 7/17/13 at 8:31

And George Bush was an excellent president who, during some very trying times, served his country and brought us through numerous unprecedented crises.

By: bfra on 7/17/13 at 8:42

By: BenDover on 7/17/13 at 9:31

And George Bush was an excellent president who, during some very trying times, served his country and brought us through numerous unprecedented crises.
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Ben you should give up before you get "further" behind!

By: gdiafante on 7/17/13 at 8:53

And George Bush was an average president who, either by inaction or completely inappropriate responses, exacerbated numerous unprecedented crises.

Fixed that for you.

9/11
Iraq
Katrina
Financial collapse

Great job, Bushie.

By: BenDover on 7/17/13 at 8:56

History usually has a more sober view than headlines, bfra. Things will continue to look up for Bush. And they'll start to look up for Carter too as, soon, it'll be recognized that he's no longer the worst American President in modern history.

By: gdiafante on 7/17/13 at 9:01

Remember, Ben also admires Nixon. He has taste for shit.

By: bfra on 7/17/13 at 9:05

gdiafante - Amen & he loves to create "untrue stories" & post in riddles.

By: gdiafante on 7/17/13 at 9:11

Ben does have a point though, I think history will look back at this era (2000 and beyond) as an era of very poor leadership both in the presidency and Congress. I don't think that can be disputed.

By: brrrrk on 7/17/13 at 9:12

BenDover said on 7/17/13 at 8:12

"The only problem with the 1st amendment is that it has been construed as a right of the government to protect people from religion and not as a right to freely advocate and practice religion."

So says Taliban Ben.... wake me up when we become a Theocracy.

By: brrrrk on 7/17/13 at 9:17

Religion without question is the ultimate form of a authoritarian government...

By: yogiman on 7/17/13 at 9:21

But since Barry has put you deeper into debt that all presidents before him, he's the best one of all, eh, gdiafante? At least the presidents before him were in that office legally.

By: brrrrk on 7/17/13 at 9:24

BenDover said on 7/17/13 at 9:31

"And George Bush was an excellent president who, during some very trying times, served his country and brought us through numerous unprecedented crises."

Bush was an opportunistic corporate raider who used the fear that existed in this country after 9/11 to line the pockets of his friends in the energy and military industries (among others)....

By: HoundDog on 7/17/13 at 9:34

"George Bush was an excellent president."

And, of course, the character in "Rainman" was an excellent driver.

By: brrrrk on 7/17/13 at 10:13

Major general Smedley Butler laid it out in black and white.... and it has been going on since WWI...

http://www.amazon.com/War-Racket-Antiwar-Americas-Decorated/dp/0922915865/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1374077550&sr=1-1&keywords=war+is+a+racket

By: Kosh III on 7/17/13 at 10:19

Another black teen gunned down by a vengeful white man--who then claims innocence.

But I'm sure he was a certified gun carrier and we know they never ever EVER break the law.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/news/spooner-darius-simmons-shooting-trial-170359879.html

By: Jughead on 7/17/13 at 11:48

@goddamninfant: "or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;"

What part of that does your retarded azz not understand? The letters? The spelling? What?

It is shameful how ignorant libtards like you have been brainwashed into thinking you are relevant.

By: gdiafante on 7/17/13 at 11:54

Don't worry, jug. It's well over your pay grade. Leave the discussion to the adults, k?

Good boy.

By: Jughead on 7/17/13 at 12:16

@goddmainfant: Did you say something? Or, something relevant.

I did not think so. Go sit in the corner and try to matter, dirtbag.

By: gdiafante on 7/17/13 at 12:20

Judging from the majority of your posts, thinking is not your strong suit, jug.

Troll on, little man. Troll on.

By: Captain Nemo on 7/17/13 at 12:37

Must be slow at the hamburger shack, for the flea to post his stupid snot.

By: gdiafante on 7/17/13 at 12:39

Yeah, now I remember why I stopped posting here.

By: Captain Nemo on 7/17/13 at 12:44

Don't worry gdia. The flea mental ability are limited to a few scrambled word now.

By: dargent7 on 7/17/13 at 2:48

Why they don't ban this asshole "Jug" from this board/ post is beyond comprehension.
There's not ONE employee at TCP who reads his vulgar, insensitive, bullshit and says, 'This guy's an asshole" "Ban him for 6 months".....?

By: brrrrk on 7/17/13 at 2:56

dargent7 said on 7/17/13 at 3:48

"Why they don't ban this asshole "Jug" from this board/ post is beyond comprehension.
There's not ONE employee at TCP who reads his vulgar, insensitive, bullshit and says, 'This guy's an asshole" "Ban him for 6 months".....?"

The only thing I can figure is that the powers that be at the TCP passively approve of what this jerk says....

By: BenDover on 7/17/13 at 3:09

"First Amendment Discussion Devolves into Calls to Ban Commenter"

By: brrrrk on 7/17/13 at 3:18

Ben,

Here's some free (your favorite cost) speech.... bite me.