Up for Debate: Fiscal proposals

Wednesday, December 5, 2012 at 12:33am

What do you make of the latest proposals and back-and-forth particularly between the U.S. House GOP and President Barack Obama over a plan to avoid the "fiscal cliff"?

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182 Comments on this post:

By: yogiman on 12/5/12 at 9:59

Wrong, B2,

Unlike you and your fellow posters on this site, I would readily and gladly admit I'm wrong; if you would just prove me to be. With your obvious admiration of Obama, why haven't you?

By: brrrrk on 12/5/12 at 10:03

This from Public Policy Polling, the group who ranked first among 28 organizations for the accuracy of its final, national pre-election estimates.

"Republicans not handling election results well..... "

"49% of GOP voters nationally say they think that ACORN stole the election [2012] for President Obama. We found that 52% of Republicans thought that ACORN stole the 2008 election for Obama, so this is a modest decline, but perhaps smaller than might have been expected given that ACORN doesn't exist anymore."

The sarcasm in the last sentence is hilarious!! And my spidey senses are telling me that at least yogi and bud are among that 49%. Seriously guys, when are you going to stop being stooooopid?

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2012/12/republicans-not-handling-election-results-well.html

By: Loner on 12/5/12 at 10:07

If we cut spending by 10% and increase revenues simultaneously, by 10%, it seems to me that, over time, the deficit could be brought under control...but that would have to be accompanied by a "peace dividend" of some sort....that's not apt to happen...DIE....Defense, Israel & Energy... call the shots in Washington, DC...and they have an expensive agenda in store for us.

Sadly, all the "austerity" in the world won't help much, as we get sucked into eternal holy war in the oil-rich Middle East.

Military adventurism broke the USSR's piggy bank...it could happen here too.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 12/5/12 at 10:08

Indeed it could, Loner.

By: bfra on 12/5/12 at 10:16

Repubs & teapubs are like the old adage "Cutting off their nose to spite their face" .

By: Loner on 12/5/12 at 10:20

I like the flying leap image, Ben...but I see the vehicle as the national bus....and I see that the bus driver, BHO, has been tied up and gagged....Boehner has seized the steering wheel, but he can't get his fat-cat ass into the driver's seat...set for skinny BHO....ergo, he can't get to the pedals and the cruise-control button...not only that, he's still got his seat belt on, the dumb-ass....looking for help and not finding any, he'll start bawling any second now....stand by, for the next episode of: "The Flying Bus".

By: yogiman on 12/5/12 at 10:21

mantality, bfra? So that's what you learned in you lack of education.

By: Loner on 12/5/12 at 10:24

Great snippet, Brrrrk. Tea-baggers do not wish to be bumfuzzled by the facts....they are a myth-based cult....steeped. like tea bags, in their own steamy dogma.

By: bfra on 12/5/12 at 10:25

yogi most posters can read, sorry you are left out.

By: Loner on 12/5/12 at 10:29

Stewing and brewing, the Tea-baggers are indeed a tempest in a teapot, nationally...but at the state level, the baggers are hunkering down in their sand-bagged bunkers of ignorance and hate....for them, it's all-out culture war.

By: brrrrk on 12/5/12 at 10:30

Loner said

"Great snippet, Brrrrk. Tea-baggers do not wish to be bumfuzzled by the facts....they are a myth-based cult....steeped. like tea bags, in their own steamy dogma."

Sort of makes the whole extreme Evangelical/Conservative thing make sense.

By: Loner on 12/5/12 at 10:41

I've got one of those economic fear-mongering ads in my right side-column right now...from Fisher Investments....scarey headline: "What could happen to the stock market now that the Republicans have failed to take back the White House".

Fisher Investments is fishing for suckers...the old K-2 sucker list is a good place to start fishing...this is the new doomsday scam....and factor in the Mayan end times prophecy...and add the power of the Christian media stampede machine....and voila! ...Disaster!

There is money to be made off this cliff crap....but people are playing with fire...we could all get burned.

A lady in our church actually liquidated her investment portfolio, she believes the doomsday BS....she's not alone....a panic could ensue.

By: yogiman on 12/5/12 at 10:43

Being 'bumfuzzled' by the facts isn't the same as being proven by the facts, Loner.

You, and your fellow Obama admirers have "bumfuzzeld" me from the beginning. So, correct me if I'm wrong; all I've asked for is proof your man is in office legally.

Why haven't any of you provided it? All any of you have claimed is, "he is". I want proof, damn it, not just your thoughts. But then, how can you prove it when you don't even know who in the hell he is?

By: Loner on 12/5/12 at 10:45

Brrrrk: If one were to cross-reference the tea-bagger list with the rabid evangelicals list, many of the names would appear on both rosters....that's my intuitive guess, anyway.

By: bfra on 12/5/12 at 10:51

It is hard to believe that anybody could have been born into this World that is as dumb as yogi. But on this site, we have the proof!

By: Blanketnazi2 on 12/5/12 at 10:53

bfra, at least we can rest assured that Gordonsville does have a village idiot.

By: Loner on 12/5/12 at 10:55

Yogi claims to have undergone major brain surgery...not sure if the knife job was the work of a neurosurgeon, or a proctologist....maybe it was a team effort....the man was left with the mental attitude of an asshole....poor bastard should sue.

By: Loner on 12/5/12 at 11:00

It's noon here and I've spent enough time in cyber-Nashville...gotta get some more protest signs made up...gotta do some banking too....the cat needs his meds; can't forget that...Luke is like 18 years old and still kickin' ass...a 7-toed member of the family.

I'll try to nail the 4:20 Award....later!

By: bfra on 12/5/12 at 11:10

Loner have a good after noon & take good care of Luke, at 18, he has earned it.

By: yogiman on 12/5/12 at 11:26

bfra,

You and your fellow posters keep accusing me of lying but you never quote me in a lie. Why not? Are my "lies" only because of your lack of knowledge on the subject?

By: brrrrk on 12/5/12 at 11:38

Says the 49 percenter......

By: Captain Nemo on 12/5/12 at 11:43

The Republican Party has become the party of blame it on someone and never take responsibility for their screw ups.

yogi fast dance around his typos is an perfect example of this

By: Captain Nemo on 12/5/12 at 11:48

yogi you are a liar and a coward. Just like your fellow troll Rasputin, you talk big about meeting someone until they except Then you hide like the coward you are.

Now tell us another lie.

By: Captain Nemo on 12/5/12 at 11:52

yogi you say you have evidence that Obama is not legal, yet you have never shown any.

Now tell us another lie.

By: Adman on 12/5/12 at 12:03

The Republican Party has become the party of blame it on someone and never take responsibility for their screw ups.
Are you kiddin' me? You actually posted this? After 4 years in office all we heard from Obama was the weak economy was Bush's/Republican House's fault. Talk about blaming it on someone else and being unwilling to take responsibility for screw ups. Give me a break.

By: Moonglow1 on 12/5/12 at 12:06

Moonglow1: The giant sucking sound we hear is from taxpayer money sucked up by two unfunded and unfounded wars and the largess of Corporate Welfare (entitlement subsidies to Lockheed and other multinationals including BP).

We are not a capitalistic country as we routinely subsidize corporations. For example in our own back yard taxpayers will be subsidizing HCA a billion dollar private equity funded entity previously under investigation by the Justice Department for Medicare fraud while under the management of Rick Scott, the current "illustrious" governor of Florida. Only one brave councilman vote no. A brave soul going against monied and lobbyist pressures...

By: Moonglow1 on 12/5/12 at 12:14

Moonglow1: I am all for cutting entitlements, defined as giving taxpayer money to subsidize multinational corporations.

Social security is not an entitlement-it is an insurance paid for by working Americans. I know what was taken out of my paychecks. Although, when your salary exceeds 90K money for social security ceases to be taken out of your paycheck. So lower income people subsidize those making 90K and more.

By: yogiman on 12/5/12 at 12:47

My saying Obama is not legal is not a lie, dumba$$. If it is, simply offer proof he's in office legally. That's a simple thing to do, isn't it? That is, if you could. Why hasn't any of you solved that little problem already? Not just by your feeble minds, dumba$$; legal proof. Just show a legal birth certificate. That will be enough. You might also want to prove the SSN he's using is legally his, not the one that man from Connecticut was using when he died in Hawaii. And his registration number? Yeah, that would help too. And maybe you can explain why the date on his registration card is only two numbers instead of four like all others. You know, only he only used 80 instead of 1980. By a stamp, that is, not just hand writing.

And to correct you further, dumba$$, I did agree to meet you at the truck stop in Gordonsville on your "passing through", but you didn't show up. Why not? I waited for 15 minutes after the agreed time. You no show, I go. Why, did you see me and decide you didn't want to p!ss me off? Why would I want to meet you now, because you're such a fine man? Gimma a break, dumba$$.

I'll make a deal with you, dumba$$. You prove, beyond any reasonable doubt, Barry is in that office legally and I'll meet you at an agreed time and place. OK?

By: Blanketnazi2 on 12/5/12 at 12:48

yogi, I disputed the SSN conspiracy yesterday. Can't you read?

By: Blanketnazi2 on 12/5/12 at 12:51

http://search.atomz.com/search/?sp-q=obama%27s+ssn&sp-a=00062d45-sp00000000&sp-advanced=1&sp-p=all&sp-w-control=1&sp-w=alike&sp-date-range=-1&sp-x=any&sp-c=100&sp-m=1&sp-s=0&x=44&y=10

Regarding Obama's SSN

By: Blanketnazi2 on 12/5/12 at 12:54

You still keep repeating the same old crap even after it has been debunked. What are you, mentally handicapped?

By: Captain Nemo on 12/5/12 at 1:21

I'm not kidding at all Adman. The GOP blames Romney for losing the race, when the Party has gone so far to the right, that Reagan would not get elected. The ranting fringe right has taken over and people like you has let the monstrosity, take control.

By: Captain Nemo on 12/5/12 at 1:25

First post of the day Blanket, yogi will repeat himself over and over.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 12/5/12 at 1:27

Nemo, I seriously do feel sorry for his family. Sheesh.

By: brrrrk on 12/5/12 at 1:27

Captain Nemo said

"First post of the day Blanket, yogi will repeat himself over and over."

It's called self pleasuring ones self....

By: Blanketnazi2 on 12/5/12 at 1:28

And he's OCD about it, brrrrk......

By: Blanketnazi2 on 12/5/12 at 1:29

He should at least be required to do 6 Degrees of Barack Obama for the topic of the day before he starts ranting.

By: yogiman on 12/5/12 at 2:01

Interesting, B2.

I haven't "read" it yet, but let's assume that is a legitimate SSN. If (I repeat... if) he was born in Hawaii, why couldn't the governor provide his birth certificate like he said he would when he went in office? I understand he looked, but couldn't find and was stunned.

His parents never showed the same address. The address shown in the two papers announcements of his birth was that of his grandparents. I understood the papers would accept any birth announcements without question. So, was he born in Hawaii or Kenya as has been said. If he was born in Hawaii, why didn't the hospital announce his birth to the papers?

When he was adopted by his Indonesian stepfather, he lost his American citizenship. You can only take your citizenship with you if the new nation will accept dual-citizenship and Indonesia wouldn't in 1961.How couldd he regain his natural born status? He couldn't. If (which we don't know) he became an American citizen, he could only be a naturalized citizen.

B2, being born to a British subject as his father, and teenage American girl as his mother, the best he could have gained would be dual-citizenship. And if he was born in Kenya as has been shown (even by himself), his mother could not pass her American citizenship down to him at her age in 1961.

I have found several items on the issue if you would like to see them. That is, if you're interested in his legality in office.

So B2, is he still an Indonesian citizen and is his name still Barry Soetoro? You don't know, do you?

By: Rasputin72 on 12/5/12 at 2:07

I just finished a great round of golf. It being 3 o'clock here and an impending cocktail and dinner party planned for early evening I thought I would check on those who are the wards of the productive class.

It seems ypu have thrown quite a bit of bile against the wall since I left this morning.

At the turn today,one of my golf associates offfered what may be an excellent solution tobalancing the budget and putting the pressure on the 47% to help with their own welfare
payments. He suggested putting a tax of an additional 3.00 per galllon of gas.

This would help alleviate the deficit and make driving an option for the underclass and anyone else who did not want to pay the tax. I thought 3.00 was not enough and should be at least another 4.00 per gallon.

I thoughtt this would give you some good ammunition for your afternoon volleys.

By: bfra on 12/5/12 at 2:16

Blanket - Between mainly you & gdiafante, the old fool has been proved wrong on everything he smears on this board. If he even has 1 iota of a brain left, he knows that. He has also put on this board every kind of excuse for not meeting Nemo, now he says he went there. Another lie! Just like Raspy, enviting you & Nemo to lunch, as soon as you accepted, he withdrew the invitation. Another liar, like yogi. They are hopeless trolls, nothing more.

By: Rasputin72 on 12/5/12 at 2:21

Blanket.......It appears that the trolls are a dominant force on this forum. I have counted including you of course at least "six" today.

By: Rasputin72 on 12/5/12 at 2:25

By the way Blanket, I withdrew the luncheon invitation when I belatedly realized that Nemo was was not of my kind. You know what they say, If you play with s##t, you will get s##t on your hands. The word is shit

By: bfra on 12/5/12 at 2:27

Raspy adds his childish "you are too" response.

By: bfra on 12/5/12 at 2:30

Raspy - I always heard, if you stir s**t, the worse it stinks. Who stirred you up?

By: Rasputin72 on 12/5/12 at 2:31

Bfra.......I would have directed my comment at you, but then again you are very sensitive. Blanket is an old war mare and understands these things.

By: bfra on 12/5/12 at 2:43

Raspy - That didn't answer the question!

By: yogiman on 12/5/12 at 2:43

I have another dumb question, B2. If Obama's first job (as he has claimed) was in an ice cream parlor in Hawaii, why was he given a Connecticut SSN?

How many other Hawaiian kids were given Connecticut SSNs in 1980?

By: Rasputin72 on 12/5/12 at 2:47

Bfra.......Perhaps you are not capable of understanding the answer. Perhaps you do not want to understand the answer. Perhaps you do not know the difference between a statement and a question.

Perhaps the 4th grade was just too challenging for you.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 12/5/12 at 2:50

yogi, the link will answer those questions - read it!

By: bfra on 12/5/12 at 2:51

Raspy - Well you must be speaking for yourself, I at least know the difference between a question & an answer. Where did you flunk out of school?