Up for Debate: Gearing up in the General Assembly

Sunday, January 29, 2012 at 11:38pm

What's your take on the state legislature and where it appears to be headed this session? What do you think of the proposed amendments to the state constitution?

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54 Comments on this post:

By: Loner on 1/30/12 at 6:18

Good morning, Nashville!

What's my take on the state legislature and where it appears to be headed this session? Your legislature is filled with grandstanding, born-again. Judeo-Christian theoocrats; therefore, real issues, like joblessness and educational failure will not be addressed. Instead of tackling the problems of the day, these attention-seeking politicians will pander to their bigoted base and dink around with non-issues or try to overturn settled laws that irk the base.

What do I think of the proposed amendments to the state constitution? All three are counterproductive and/or unnecessary, or if enacted, would be functionally unimplementable. In other words, the proposed amendments are a waste of precious time.

Your legislature is more interested in winning elections than it is in governing. This is not just a problem in Tennessee; the problem is nationwide.

With the advent of the superpacs, American politics will never be the same. A lot more money and a lot less accountability has been introduced into our flawed system, courtesy of the Bush-family-appointed USSC. The Citizens United decision has removed nearly every safety feature in our electoral system.
I don't see how the republic can long endure under these conditions.

By: Loner on 1/30/12 at 6:41

What Tennessee needs is a constitutional amendment stating that when Jesus of Nazareth comes again, he will automatically replace the sitting governor of the State of Tennessee.....we need that and a law banning Satan from assuming the office.

By: Ummm... on 1/30/12 at 7:17

Loner, how about we amend the state constitution to disband the legislature and replace them with the board of the Southern Baptist Convention?

By: Loner on 1/30/12 at 7:24

Good one, Ummmmm, that would cut out the middlemen....saving the taxpayer's millions. Onward Christian soldiers! Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition. Git the Negro...git the illegals....git the dirty hippies....git the non-believers....and git yer gun!

By: Loner on 1/30/12 at 7:27

One more...Git the Muslims!

By: dargent7 on 1/30/12 at 7:43

Music Div.: Can you believe The Ryman is going to replace the stage floor?
The country musicians who played there are incredible. Elvis Presley.
Now who will grace the stage? Ted Nugent. I didn't know he was country.

By: Ummm... on 1/30/12 at 7:52

dargent7, don't you remember the twangy, soulful country strains of "Cat Scratch Fever?"

Seriously though, there hasn't been "genre purity" at the Ryman for a very long time now.

By: yogiman on 1/30/12 at 8:10

Perhaps our Tennessee legislators should play copy-cat and follow Nu Yawk, Loner. That way, maybe we couldn't be any worse than your'n are.

By: govskeptic on 1/30/12 at 8:45

What a yawn to daily open these proposed questions and find the psychotic
ramblings of Loner and his obsessions with "Judo-Christian theocrats"! It
makes no difference what is proposed, even the weather, it's all their fault!
Not one posting and done, but dozens as if everyone was at his paid convention!

By: BenDover on 1/30/12 at 9:11

Oh... state income tax is still bubbling just below the surface here in Tennessee. Everyone still has their notes from that faux study committee that was appointed right after it was shot down the last time. I don't think it's legal under the current constitution but that wasn't slowing anything down before and the State Attorney General at the time give his opinion that an income tax 'properly' written could pass muster.

I'd like to see it clarified. As for the other red-meat conservative issues, I think it's fair game. Obama and the dems at the national level are using the system to their full advantage; this should be no different and would be no different if the Dems were in charge.

A constitutional convention does worry me a bit though because I'm not sure if the delegates, by law, are limited to the amendments as written.

By: Rocket99 on 1/30/12 at 9:16

BenDover, we already have a state income tax so, yes, it is legal. Just at this time, it only affects investment income.

By: Rocket99 on 1/30/12 at 9:20

Our State legislature is NOT there for We the People. They are there for We the Bible Thumper Radicals. I don't understand why they are so scared of that crowd. It is actually a small crowd. Guess maybe it's because they are making the most noise.

By: Captain Nemo on 1/30/12 at 9:26

Condoms aren't completely safe. A friend of mine was wearing one and got hit by a bus.
-Bob Rubin

By: BenDover on 1/30/12 at 9:38

I'm pretty sure that the constitution and legal precedent limit that income tax to investment income, Rocket. Their strategy was to classify the new tax as a privilege tax and they thought they had the numbers on the State Supreme Court for it to hold.

http://tinyurl.com/tnIncomeTax

By: Loner on 1/30/12 at 9:39

By: govskeptic on 1/30/12 at 7:45

What a yawn to daily open these proposed questions and find the psychotic
ramblings of Loner and his obsessions with "Judo-Christian theocrats"! It
makes no difference what is proposed, even the weather, it's all their fault!
Not one posting and done, but dozens as if everyone was at his paid convention!

When I read posts like that, I know that my mission is being accomplished. I will redouble my efforts to fight ignorance and hate in Nashville....and the Volunteer State.

Thanks, Gov, for the inspiring post.

And now, Kum - Bah - Yah:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CEBHpMmvw0

By: BenDover on 1/30/12 at 9:40

I think the abortion thing could back-fire. Nothing fires up Obama's base like threatening their right to root out a baby fetus.

By: Captain Nemo on 1/30/12 at 9:47

Loner, I fell asleep watching wacthing that.

This should wake you up. It did me. lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6qD6IBIyn0&feature=related

By: pswindle on 1/30/12 at 9:49

The only thing that the GOP is interested in is taking away our rights and killing the the Unions in TN. Oh I almost forgot, the laws must protect the Haslam family and their businesses.

By: Captain Nemo on 1/30/12 at 9:49

The word is that the citizens of Tennessee are getting feed up with Tea Bags.

By: dargent7 on 1/30/12 at 9:56

When Obama took office, the National Debt was $9. trillion. He "promised" a major deduction. Now, 3.+ years in office, it's $16.5 trillion. He failed to deliver.
I say, we put a money man in there, and see what he can do.
Romney will cut, slash, stop, financial shenanagains, and restore fiscal responsiblity.
Or so he says, but had a track record to prove it. I don't care at this point how ruthless he is. Just get 'er done!
Obama's a nice guy, spent 3+ years apologizing for Bush's b.s., but now it's time for USA.
And screw all this foreign aid we hand out like candy. Egypt gets $2. billion? For what?

By: Loner on 1/30/12 at 9:57

Ben, how come you right-to-lifers are mum on Israel's state-sponsored "abortion mills"?

Thanks to generous US foreign aid...they top the list of recipients....the Israelis can afford a 1st class system of socialized medicine. Free, or cheap abortions are included in the services provided.

An Israeli woman's right to choose is never questioned by the vast majority of the Chosen People in the Promised Land.

The deafening silence in the US on this issue implies that the US right-to-lifers believe in the state of Israel's right to exist....but in their view, an Israeli fetus does not have a right to life.

In a nation of under six million, 50,000 abortions per annum is high....probably exceeds the US rate. But that is seldom mentioned in the US media...would be bad for the special relationship....they keep that stuff out of our news.

Here's a link to an Israeli right to life website...check out the facts:

http://www.friendsofefrat.org/

By: Captain Nemo on 1/30/12 at 10:02

Ben-

The real trouble with reality is that there's no background music.

Captain Nemo-

By: Loner on 1/30/12 at 10:04

And no laugh track, Cap'n.

By: Captain Nemo on 1/30/12 at 10:11

And no script either. The GOP makes it up as they go,Loner.

By: bfra on 1/30/12 at 10:38

Nothing fires Ben up, like the truth about the GOP.

By: BenDover on 1/30/12 at 10:57

Actually I agree with a lib friend who says, "Well, hopefully no one is FOR abortion". That view doesn't preclude understanding the position for making it legal though. Hating abortion doesn't necessarily mean you are not for the right of someone to have an abortion.

The reality of the situation, at the time anyway, was that people were getting them anyway and it was uncontrolled and caused a lot of grief and even deaths of the mother in many cases.

I sometimes wonder how banning it again would work though because that stigma of unwed mother isn't there anymore. It's more a convenient form of birth control in some cases or a remedy for irresponsibility in others. All the Eugenics minded people are all for it still, I guess, but I suspect that a lot of women I meet who regret their irreversible decision to abort might be stronger mentally now too if society had limited that choice.

It's a tough question. I know where I stand on it personally but I'm not sure it's good for me to mandate how others in society deal with the question.

By: Captain Nemo on 1/30/12 at 11:06

That just proves that liberal thinking is not a dead end thinking like conservatives, Ben ;-)

BTW
I hope we don’t get caught up with trying to reason with nothing like was done on Friday.

By: yogiman on 1/30/12 at 11:21

Not to change the subject, but I just read about a test a young girl in a secondary school in Sussex, England on her thoughts of a microwave.

I wish I could show the pictures of her test. It was made by boiling water on a stove to purify and in a microwave to grow the same form of plant to see how each water affected the identical plants planted in the same soil. She was amazed at the results. In nine days the plant nurtured by the purified water from the microwave was dead and the plant nurtured by the water purified by being boiled on the stove was thriving. Amazing; and in only nine days.

By: brrrrk on 1/30/12 at 11:23

Loner said

"When I read posts like that, I know that my mission is being accomplished. I will redouble my efforts to fight ignorance and hate in Nashville....and the Volunteer State."

That's a pretty tall order considering that navigating a four way stop seems to be beyond the skills of the local populace.

By: bfra on 1/30/12 at 11:39

brrrrj - That can be witnessed 24/7 at any 4 way stop. Neither do most drivers not know how to L turn into a street. Stop 2 spaces back or you might get the front of your car taken out.

By: Captain Nemo on 1/30/12 at 11:49

I keep my left turns to a minimum and not at all if there is no traffic light. I found it better to turn right and look for a place to cross where you only got on coming traffic to deal with. Then I double back and go in the direction I intended in the first place. Most times it same you some time, but it all ways keep you out of harms way.

By: brrrrk on 1/30/12 at 11:54

bfra said

"brrrrj - That can be witnessed 24/7 at any 4 way stop. Neither do most drivers not know how to L turn into a street. Stop 2 spaces back or you might get the front of your car taken out."

It has often been said that if you want to tell the true nature of someone, simply put them behind the wheel of a car and watch what they do.

By: brrrrk on 1/30/12 at 11:55

Captain Nemo said

"I keep my left turns to a minimum and not at all if there is no traffic light. I found it better to turn right and look for a place to cross where you only got on coming traffic to deal with. Then I double back and go in the direction I intended in the first place. Most times it same you some time, but it all ways keep you out of harms way."

Sorry, but logic simply isn't allowed on the mean streets of Tennessee.

By: brrrrk on 1/30/12 at 12:25

"One of the defects of modern culture is that we are taught to believe that every problem can be measured in economic terms. But when society's principle tool is measurement rather than understand, great mistakes follow" - Sir James Goldsmith

By: Loner on 1/30/12 at 12:51

My 8:57 post goes unanswered...Ben wouldn't touch it...if there is anybody else on the right to life side who can address my 8:57 post, please do so.....I want to know how this hypocrisy cab be tolerated....why the double standard for Israeli women, as opposed to American women?

I put this question to a local Christian Radio talk show host recently....he was flabbergasted and could not respond....he just went into a tired rant about how lovely the US Constitution is.

By: Loner on 1/30/12 at 1:11

BTW, since an anti-abortion amendment is on the TN ballot, the topic of abortion in general seems to be fair game.... US support of Israeli abortion mills should be fair game in this discussion....don't want to be accused of anti-Semitism....again.

Why the right wing outrage over American women choosing to end their pregnancies through abortion, but not a peep about Israeli women doing the same thing...what about the so-called "shared values" between the US and Israel, is that a myth?

By: yogiman on 1/30/12 at 1:24

Loner,

If I may, may I make a remark about your 8:57 comment. First, abortion can only be legalized by the government. The only nation I ever heard of requiring them was China.

The individuals are the ones making the decisions to murder the babies in their wombs (and sometimes right after they "pop out"). And that's a decision each has to make; whether to murder a baby because of a possible "problem" they may have after birth or they simply don't want the damn brat.

By: dargent7 on 1/30/12 at 1:31

A "4-Way Stop" has nothing on that 'Rounda-Bout" Killean Way, by Music Row.
The one by the Naked hemaphrodites and Gay Statues.
It's like some psychotic at the DOT invented this thing to purposely crash cars.

By: dargent7 on 1/30/12 at 1:42

"Yogi": Know your limitations.
Your knowledge of the female's reproductive anatomy, the male sexual response, associated with today's social mores is on par with your knowledge of Obama's stewardship as the country's President: Ziltch.
Your area of expertice is Animal Husbandry.
I hear hens in backyards is making a comeback. Stick with it.

By: brrrrk on 1/30/12 at 1:42

dargent7 said

"A '4-Way Stop' has nothing on that 'Rounda-Bout' Killean Way, by Music Row.
The one by the Naked hemaphrodites and Gay Statues.
It's like some psychotic at the DOT invented this thing to purposely crash cars."

Sad really that both seem to be beyond the intellectual capacity of most drivers around here.

By: bfra on 1/30/12 at 1:52

Leave it to the dumbarse, I have never seen a baby that was a "damn brat"!

By: yogiman on 1/30/12 at 2:47

Well Loner me boy,

Being about 15 years your elder, I believe a got a little more "life" knowledge that you have yet to come by. And based on the required brilliance you needed to carry the mail in your working days as opposed to the scientific knowledge I needed to determine if it was going to rain or snow in my working days, I believe I might beat you on intelligence... even with half of my original brain.

Raised on a farm and living on one now, I think I might know more about life on this earth on what causes a baby and what'ts done to "develop" one than you have any mind of. Or was they better at it in Nu Yawk?

And accepting the man sitting in the Oval Office as your president indicates just how ignorant you really are. Oh, I'll admit, you type pretty good posts on this site.... word wise. But I'm not too sure about knowledge wise.

As I have posted before and I will repeat, the evidence on Barry Soetoro being in that office illegally is so evidently strong it shouldn't take anyone with a brain as empty as yours to be aware of it.

By: Captain Nemo on 1/30/12 at 3:05

“A fool is his own informer.”
Yiddish saying

By: Captain Nemo on 1/30/12 at 3:20

By: brrrrk on 1/30/12 at 10:55

Sorry, but logic simply isn't allowed on the mean streets of Tennessee.

The logic is to know that logic does not work with the natives. There for it is logical to see the natives as illogical and trust their lack of intelligent behavior behind the wheel as normal behavior and pray for divine intervention. You need it in Nashville.

By: yogiman on 1/30/12 at 3:41

I agree with your 2:05 Yiddish quote, Captain Nemo. And there seems to be a lot of fools on this site. Otherwise, where did they get the information they so readily accepted?

By: brrrrk on 1/30/12 at 3:45

yogiman said

"And accepting the man sitting in the Oval Office as your president indicates just how ignorant you really are. Oh, I'll admit, you type pretty good posts on this site.... word wise. But I'm not too sure about knowledge wise.

As I have posted before and I will repeat, the evidence on Barry Soetoro being in that office illegally is so evidently strong it shouldn't take anyone with a brain as empty as yours to be aware of it."

So says Tennessee's own version of Orly Taitz, or as I refer to him.... Oily Titz.

By: Captain Nemo on 1/30/12 at 3:45

If I wanted to hear from an ass, I would fart.
Captain Nemo

By: Captain Nemo on 1/30/12 at 3:48

Don't wast your time on nothing, brrrrk.

By: yogiman on 1/30/12 at 4:11

Is it possible that all of the uneducated ones on this site could be democrats. Or should they be called dumbocrats because of their obvious stupidity? Where are you leading that line, brrrrk?

By: bfra on 1/30/12 at 4:19

Give it up yogi! Nobody does, has ever or will ever think you are anything but a dumbarse old troll. Ironic, you being the dumbest one on the board, calling anyone else dumb.