Up for Debate: George Zimmerman and the law

Tuesday, March 27, 2012 at 12:44am

Should George Zimmerman face charges, possibly brought by the federal government, related to the killing of Trayvon Martin?

132 Comments on this post:

By: tomba1 on 3/27/12 at 5:13

As for bo sticking his growing nose into the matter, NO ! It's only election year fodder for him to use to stir up his troops and does not belong on his or any other legislative or "executive" agenda. This is a matter for law enforcement and the courts. He needs to find a way to return his focus to the problems of our Nation and keep out of these other matters.

But he chooses differently.

by sucking up to the russians in korea, disgusting behavior for any U.S. President -

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/26/nuclear-summit-barack-obama-medvedev_n_1379422.html?icid=maing-grid7%7Cmain5%7Cdl1%7Csec1_lnk3%26pLid%3D146654

by giving handouts to the Afghans from "President BO", not from the People of the United States.

" KANDAHAR, Afghanistan — The U.S. paid $50,000 in compensation for each villager killed and $11,000 for each person wounded in a shooting rampage attributed to a rogue American soldier , Afghan officials said Sunday. The families were told that the money came from President Barack Obama. The payouts were the latest move by the White House to mend relations with the Afghan people after the killings threatened to shatter already tense relations. ....."

So, now they won't burn HIM in effigy, since he's the cash cow, but it's ok to desecrate our Flag and murder our troops. Now THAT'S a commander-in-chief who's asleep at the wheel.

No, instead he steps in and encourages civil unrest and protests in our streets over an unfortunate local issue which has no place on the national or federal radar.

By: Ummm... on 3/27/12 at 5:39

tomba1 (like other Republican kool-aid drinkers) sees this as an opportunity to attack the president, and calls this an "unfortunate local issue." Obviously it was not tomba1's teenaged son who was killed.

By: Ask01 on 3/27/12 at 5:52

Considering that, after wading through all the flotsam and jetsam surrounding this highly emotional issue, it seems Mr. Zimmerman instigated the confrontation by initiating contact, yes, he should face punishment for his actions.

If the state of Florida, probably fearful of all manner of lawsuits originating with the well meaning, but seemingly poorly applied "stand your ground" law, will not pursue justice, the responsibility falls to the Federal government to seek said justice.

It seems Mr. Zimmerman was seeking a confrontation with someone, anyone who fit his ideal of a suspicious and dangerous individual. He found such in Trayvon, packing an Arizona Iced Tea and the dangerous Skittles.

If he had just stayed in the car instead of approaching what he must have thought would be an easily intimidated subject, none of this would have ever happened.

Trayvon would be alive and Mr. Zimmerman would not be the most hated man in America, probably facing incarceration in a Federal Corrections Facility for an indeterminate period.

By: gdiafante on 3/27/12 at 6:08

This is an interesting case. The "Stand your Ground" law seems to give Mr. Zimmerman the convenience of not having to justify his actions. But, he's saying that Trayvon attacked him, and went for the gun, thus justifying homicide.

However, if you're an unarmed youth, and you see that someone is following you, and then approaches you, armed, what would you do? Shouldn't the law also protect Trayvon because he stood his ground?

Talk about a cluster****...

By: dargent7 on 3/27/12 at 6:10

As more details emerge the story is spinning on it's axis.
Zimmerman was a self appointed Neighborhood Watch, "Commander".
Saw a tall black person wearing a "hoodie". According to Geraldo Rivera, that's a gansta, menacing appearance.
He should of driven away in his SUV after 911 told him NOT to follow the guy.
Let Police arrive and respond to the situation.
He obviously confronted Trayvon since he got a broken nose.
Shoots the kid in the chest, point blank.
Self-defense?

By: tomba1 on 3/27/12 at 6:19

ummmm -

I, in no way, am condoning or diminishing the tragedy of this event. I am only offering my opinion as to the editorial question pertaining to federal and, therefore, OB involvement in the matter. To respond to your closing remark would make my point entirely.

As your remark said, "Obviously it was not tomba1's teenaged son who was killed."

And if it had been, I would be furious that any political figure and especially a sitting United States President and candidate for reelection would make election year politics out of my son's death. No cool aid; no bs.

By: Ummm... on 3/27/12 at 6:30

tomba1, I believe your last post to be disingenuous, at best. If it was your teenaged son wrongfully killed by an overzealous "neighborhood watch commander" who faced no punishment as a result of a misguided state law sponsored by the NRA and the gun lobbyists, I do not believe for an instant that you would refuse the assistance of either the federal government or the devil himself in your effort to obtain justice for your son. In short, I think you're lying to try and score cheap political points.

By: gdiafante on 3/27/12 at 6:32

I think it's extremely naive to think that a supercharged issue like this wouldn't become politicized during an election year.

By: Loner on 3/27/12 at 6:35

Good morning, Nashville!

Should George Zimmerman face charges, possibly brought by the federal government, related to the killing of Trayvon Martin?

IMO, yes. The reality, however, is such that this trigger-happy cop-wannabe may walk away from this without doing any jail time...he could get rich & famous as a result of his wasting that unarmed, black kid at point blank range. He has his backers and supporters.

Now, "eye witnesses" are coming forth, to back up the shooter's claim that he was the victim, not the other way around. Somebody must have contacted "Rent-A-Witness"...all of a sudden we got "witnesses".

IMO, this was a hate crime...Zimmerman was volunteering as a neighborhood watch commander as cover for his real mission...the man was an an extended N*gger Hunt....and he finally got to bag his prey...a young black "buck"...a trophy for this perverted bigot's mantlepiece....he though he would now have bragging rights...he bagged a young buck in a hoodie.

If Zimmerman walks, Sanford, FL may burn, baby, burn....sounds like that racist hell-hole could stand a little razing to the ground....gated communities and all.

By: dargent7 on 3/27/12 at 6:38

Obama is a "man of the people". This is a "white on black" entense situation.
Why else would Sharpton and Jackson show up? Not to mention 40,000 people rallying.
For Obama not to address it, as he did the Afghan murdered civilians, he's be remiss.
It shows he's more in touch with what's happening in America...than say, GW Bush, who would be at his ranch clearing brush, and bush.
Bush, and his white, rich, oil men, wouldn't know how to address this type of situation in a thousand years.

By: yogiman on 3/27/12 at 6:39

Obama should keep his nose out of the city's business. It's none of his. We don't know the facts, only what wed have read or heard, and it seems there was an eye witness report that Trayvon attacked Zimmerman. Zimmerman had a broken nose, blood on his face and grass stain on the back of his shirt and a bruise on the back of his head.

Last night, a friend of Zimmerman's, on an interview, said Zimmerman told him Trayvon was trying to take his gun. And by the way, Zimmerman's friend was a black man. Would he lie for him?

It seems it has been brought into a racial issue of a white shooting a black. Just wondering, why didn't Obama make a call about that white boy getting killed by those black guys in Mississippi a few days earlier?

By: dargent7 on 3/27/12 at 6:40

L'ner: For the record, Zimmerman is 1/2 Hispanic. He's no "white vigilante".
But, he failed at becoming a Police officer. Probably the mental/ emotional portion.

By: dargent7 on 3/27/12 at 6:46

Yogi: Obama is constantly "putting out fires".
He's cognisant he doesn't live in a "bubble", like Bush did.
He's got the US military urinating on dead Afghans, burning the Qu'ran, and a nut case Sgt. murdering 17 civilians, 9 being children.
What do you suggest? Besides your socio-pathology and "usurper" psychosis, would you have him just stay locked up in the Oval Office or play 18 holes of golf during these crisis?
Obama has the experience, guts, and leadership to LEAD.

By: gdiafante on 3/27/12 at 6:51

As I stated earlier, if the law protects Zimmerman because he thought he was in danger, shouldn't it also protect Trayvon who, allegedly, saw someone following him with a gun.

A significant issue is that Zimmerman was instructed to stay in the car. He did not. That escalated the confrontation. If you believe Zimmerman, that Trayvon tried to take the weapon, that means that Zimmerman must have shown it first. Meaning, it wasn't concealed.

Now, I ask you, if you were confronted by someone with a weapon, what would you do? Would you put your hands up or would you fight back?

By: yogiman on 3/27/12 at 6:51

From what has been reported, it seems there had been several robberies in that neighborhood and Zimmerman was only a part of a volunteer patrol. Obviously, it could have been any one of those "volunteers" and he was the unlucky one.

Being a stranger in the neighborhood, why didn't Trayvon tell him why he was there? It was a residential neighborhood, folks, not a down town situation.

By: Loner on 3/27/12 at 6:54

Zimmerman is not an Hispanic surname...according to some websites, he's probably half-Jewish....maybe he'll now make Aliyah to Israel, join the IDF and start gunning down Palestinian youths with total impunity....that would be the "Promised Land" for a trigger-happy A-hole like Zimmerman.....free guns, unlimited bullets, criminal immunity and an inexhaustible supply of unarmed targets....yeah, Zimmerman needs to pack up and move to the Promised Land...it's always open season on Muslims in Palestine....no bag limit....it's a hominid hunter's paradise on earth.

By: yogiman on 3/27/12 at 6:59

Back to NCP's original question: No, the federal government should stay out of the city's situation. It's noe of the federal government's business.

If the federal government intrudes in the city's business and takes that case over, will they take every future civil case over?

By: dargent7 on 3/27/12 at 7:01

Yogi: You want a "black" man asking you, anywhere, "Why are you here"? He lived around the corner.
Think of it like White people, not one Black, Latino, Asian, Chinese, asking Obama, "Let us see your Birth Cert, .....and we only accept the "long form".
I'd tell them to all go F*** themselves, too.

By: yogiman on 3/27/12 at 7:03

What have you been drinking, Loner? You should get off your dope or sober up and leave Israel out of the picture.

By: gdiafante on 3/27/12 at 7:04

Yogi, the Feds have jurisdiction if it's determined to be a hate crime. I assume that's why they're trying to determine if Zimmerman issued a racial epithet during that phone call.

By: Loner on 3/27/12 at 7:07

If it's a "hate crime", then the feds can move in....a hundred years of Jim Crow, the KKK, the lynchings, the vigilante justice and institutionalized Southern white supremacy after the Civil War ended, necessitated federal legislation, in 1964, to protect minorities in racist locales, such as the former Confederacy.

States Rights is a dubious concept in a united nation like the USA..."states rights" has been used as legal cover for innumerable atrocities and acts of gross inhumanity in America....IMO, all state borders should be erased and their statehouses demolished...this is one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all....isn't it?

By: yogiman on 3/27/12 at 7:10

dargent7,

I know I'm a different thinking man than you. If I was in a neighborhood and an obvious resident questioned me as to why I was there, I wouldn't mind telling them.

If I was there visiting a friend or relative and he told me to leave, I'd tell him to kiss my a$$. And at 17 years of age, I wouldn't start a fight with the man, but I'd sure finish it. Not like you, I've lived through that age nature.

By: Loner on 3/27/12 at 7:15

Our trolling dope is lecturing me about dope....isn't that just special? The little old usurpaholic is now preaching about morality and world affairs....Bless his heart...

I did appreciate the weather report last night...sounds like it's damn nice in Nashville this time of year...had a heavy frost last night...Old Man Winter has not left town for the season, as some had said....never got to ski once this year.

By: yogiman on 3/27/12 at 7:16

So, you're ready for the communist government to take over, eh, Loner? Hang in there, if Barry pulls his usurpation off again, he might invite you to DC to help him out in his takeover.

By: gdiafante on 3/27/12 at 7:20

I'm shocked to say that I don't believe yogi understands the situtation. He conjectures that if Trayvon was an elderly white male, he would have told Zimmerman why he was there.

Note to yogi: if Trayvon was an elderly white male, he wouldn't have had to tell him.

Though, if I see yogi wondering around my neighborhood, I wouldn't call 911, I'd call the local mental health institution.

By: dargent7 on 3/27/12 at 7:25

Paul Wade: You live in a bubble.
No cop ever pulled me over and asked, "Why are you here?"
A citizen watch dog hasn't either.
This 17 year old probably has dealt with discrimination in his life. And, this fat putz Zimmerman had No Right to ask him anything.
Had he not had a gun, he would of stayed in his car, like 911 told him, waited for Police, and retreated.
Guns give pussies, balls.

By: treehugger7 on 3/27/12 at 7:26

Amen, Loner, on the states rights issue. We could have an intelliegent legislature in TN if that were the case...and pigs would fly!

By: Loner on 3/27/12 at 7:27

By: yogiman on 3/27/12 at 7:16

So, you're ready for the communist government to take over, eh, Loner? Hang in there, if Barry pulls his usurpation off again, he might invite you to DC to help him out in his takeover.

He better. I've been running interference for that Usurping Commie Muslim for four years now...he owes me...I want to be Camp Commandant, at the re-eduction camps that we will be setting up for guys like Yogi, Tomba, Goveseptic, Rasputin & Ben Dover....there will be a nightly Kommie Kampfire...we will sing Kum-Bah-Yah and pass the pipe of peace.

In time, you will grow to love Kamp Loner, Yogi....it will be kept clean and neat....or else. We will be self-supporting...we will grow Cannabis for the Medical Market, at our commune farm...we will worship at an Atheistic Temple every Sunday....pot luck suppers at the temple every night.

I can't wait for BHO to drop the facade after November's "election"....we will crown him as Emperor of the People....he could go for the Anti-Christ job too.

By: treehugger7 on 3/27/12 at 7:29

And now we are fighting the 10 commandments argument again. What part of separation of church and and state that these fools don't get? If you call yourselves constitutional conservatives, maybe you should read it first!

By: Ummm... on 3/27/12 at 7:30

Funny, Loner. Except people like the ones you mention probably think you're serious.

By: Kosh III on 3/27/12 at 7:31

"he could go for the Anti-Christ job too"

Nah, we gotta leave something for Bush.

By: Rasputin72 on 3/27/12 at 7:36

The boy would have probably been considered a candidate for the peniteniary by the time he was 25 years. However the boy was just a boy on the day he was killed. There is not doubt in my mind that Zimmerman should be arrested and hopefully convicted of manslaughter. Having spent my youth on the street I can see this situation and how it played out in my mind very clearly.

Zimmerman was the entire provocation.

By: Loner on 3/27/12 at 7:37

Another Commie checks in...thanks for the support, Treehugger.

Trayvon Martin was 6 foot three, but weighed under 150#...that's a skinny teenager....Zimmerman must have outweighed the kid by 100#....an unarmed, frightened bean-pole is not normally going to initiate a physical confrontation with somebody the size of Zimmerman...what would be his motivation, other than desperate self-defense against an armed, racist bully?

If they struggled for the gun, it's because an adrenalin-addled Zimmerman probably was pointing it at the kid at point blank range.

Zimmerman playing the role of victim in all this is absolutely absurd....but hateful A-holes will delude themselves into believing that BS.

By: Loner on 3/27/12 at 7:42

Treehugger...my dear and departed momma used to say, "If you can't beat 'em, join 'em."....and my dear and departed daddy, who was a carpenter, used to say, "It's better to be the hammer than the nail."

Kamp Loner sounds like a stellar idea, don't you think?

By: Loner on 3/27/12 at 7:44

Rasp may not need as much re-education as the others...we can make him a kapo.

By: govskeptic on 3/27/12 at 7:46

Unlike so many of the previous posters, I have not enough info to make the
judgements of others. Yes, I could go along with Rev. AL, MSNBC and CNN
along with the New Black Panthers and call for a lynching, but maybe we should get all the sworn facts before a Grand Jury first.

It's a tragedy for all, but that same weekend Chicago had 9 blacks and 3 whites all under the age of 24 killed including an 18 month old black baby shot and killed!

By: Ummm... on 3/27/12 at 7:47

Rasputin72 said: "The boy would have probably been considered a candidate for the peniteniary by the time he was 25 years."

What is there besides sheer racist hatred that could possibly justify such a remark?

By: Loner on 3/27/12 at 7:49

Kosh...Bush tried out for the job as Anti-Christ...he got booed off the show....BHO may try out for the role after November, when he goes Full Kommie....Full Jihadi....the Anti-Christ could be a popular, glib and powerful Muslim....the Holy Scriptures are unclear on this vital detail. My Crystal Balls are unclear on this too.

By: yogiman on 3/27/12 at 7:49

All the A-holes combined should let the court decide who's right. Blaming either of the two on this case, when you don't know either of them, is like accepting someone as your president when you don't even know his name.

By: Loner on 3/27/12 at 7:52

Ummm read Rasp's commentary: "The boy would have probably been considered a candidate for the penitentiary by the time he was 25 years."....and then asked, "What is there besides sheer racist hatred that could possibly justify such a remark?"

Statistics?

By: gdiafante on 3/27/12 at 7:52

Sure you do gov, you're just chicken****. This is an opinion board and it's asking for posters opinions on the subject. Pay attention.

By: Loner on 3/27/12 at 7:59

I heard the 911 recordings between Zimmerman and the police dispatcher...it reveals that Zimmerman ignored the police dispatchers warning and pursued Trayvon Martin on foot...there goes the "victim" claim....and other parts of the recording indicate that Zimmerman was aware of the race of his victim and he said something like, "These guys always get away!" as he ran after the young black teen...that sounds like a hate crime to me...bring in the feds, the Sanford Police blew it....their Chief of Police should be sacked, not allowed to temporarily step down.

By: Loner on 3/27/12 at 8:03

Gd, once Govskeptic undergoes re-education in one of the camps, he'll see the light. The poor boy's been misled...but we can fix that...at Kamp Loner.

By: Ummm... on 3/27/12 at 8:04

So Loner, are you saying that "statistically" most 25 year old black men are "candidates for the penitentiary?" If you are, I think you and Yogi may have finally found some "common ground."

By: gdiafante on 3/27/12 at 8:06

The issue is that (1) Zimmerman possibly used racial profiling when assuming that Trayvon was a neighborhood threat; (2) he ignored instructions to stay in the car, thus escalating the situation; (3) misrepresented his position, as he was acting as "neighborhood watch" independently; (4) stalked the claimant (per phone conversation victim was having at the time) and (5) used deadly force after confronting the individual (who seemingly was defending himself as well).

This doesn't mention the possible racial slur used in the phone call. It's a mess.

By: gdiafante on 3/27/12 at 8:09

s/h/b victim, not claimant. Not sure where that came from...lol

By: Loner on 3/27/12 at 8:10

I'm not justifying it, Ummm, or applauding it...I'm just saying that the US prisons are filled with a lot of 25-year-old black males...I Googled it, to verify my suspicions on the stats; here's a source & snippet:

Source:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statistics_of_incarcerated_African-American_males

Snippet:

A black male born in 1991 has a 29% chance of spending time in prison at some point in his life.2
Nearly one in three African American males aged 20–29 are under some form of criminal justice supervision whether imprisoned, jailed, on parole or probation.
One out of nine African American men will be incarcerated between the ages of 20 and 34.
Black males ages 30 to 34 have the highest incarceration rate of any race/ethnicity.

(According to America Community Survey.)

Sure, it's just Wikipedia, but the sources they cite seem legit.

By: Ummm... on 3/27/12 at 8:12

Do you believe Rasputin72 was innocently citing statistical information, Loner? I sure as hell don't.

By: yogiman on 3/27/12 at 8:14

It looks like this is being brought in entirely as a race issue. Rev. C. L. Bryant, who is a former chapter president of the NAACP, said Jackson and Sharpton are race hustlers. Now the boy's mother seems to want something named after him and they are already selling shirts "in his name".

Is that a racial issue or normal issue?

By: Loner on 3/27/12 at 8:16

Gd, your 8:06 post summarizes things quite well...I agree with your analysis and conclusion.

After the OJ trial, we can all see that it's all in the jury selection process...if this goes to trial...and it may not....the jury will be highly vetted....the major media would work the trial like the OJ trial....kerching!

If Zimmerman walks...on a hot Florida afternoon this Summer....all Hell will break loose in Sanford...and who knows where else....this is an international story...it's huge.