Up for Debate: George Zimmerman and the law

Tuesday, March 27, 2012 at 1:44am

Should George Zimmerman face charges, possibly brought by the federal government, related to the killing of Trayvon Martin?

132 Comments on this post:

By: Captain Nemo on 3/27/12 at 2:09

Now would you know what is smart, yogi? You don’t have the brains to differentiate from correct or incorrect. I’m afraid that the distinction to understand between up and down or when to change your diaper has been lost to you.

By: Captain Nemo on 3/27/12 at 2:14

Waiting on yogi’s grammar test, score later.

By: Loner on 3/27/12 at 2:14

What sort of a nation stains a child's record by suspending them from school for what was believed to be an empty "pot bag", there was no lab test, just somebody's guess?

An empty baggie in your book-bag is enough to tarnish a kid's record for life? Yeah...with modern data retention systems, this stuff stays with the individual for life...forget the "expunged from the record" crap...these things linger, as evidenced here.

They could have found a cigarette in his book-bag, would they have suspended him for that?

Our children are being treated as though they have no Constitutional freedoms and no rights...no wonder then, that when they graduate or drop out, they act like sheep, not American citizens....they are made docile and pliant....they are not aequately educated as to their rights and their duties, IMO.

It was inevitable that Zimmerman's defenders would resort to character assassination on Trayvor Martin; that's what lawyers are trained to do...as are right-wing radio talk show hosts...this is a post mortem murder of the same victim...now they will destroy his legacy, his record....everything that they can.

Meanwhile, Zimmerman will be portrayed as a hero, the victim and a first rate human being....this will be grand theater from now on folks....stay tuned.

By: Captain Nemo on 3/27/12 at 2:21

Not even the fact that Zimmerman was stalking Martin, even after the police told him not to seem to be unimportant to the fringe right-wing brutes on this board.

By: yogiman on 3/27/12 at 2:26

dumba$$,

Do you mean the man I saw claiming to be a friend of Zimmerman was lying? If you have the capability, notice I said I saw him make that statement, it wasn't hearsay. I also saw 3 other black men siding with Zimmerman. Were they lying also?

By: gdiafante on 3/27/12 at 2:30

Loner makes a good point. What's next? Testing kids fingers for nicotine residue? I wish that our education system paid as much attention to academics as they do to trivial things such as clothing, empty baggies and what kids write on desks. It's a joke.

But that's another topic.

Personally, I'm getting sick of the media, and people in general, rushing to find dirt on people in situations like this, and I include Zimmerman in this. I'll save people the trouble...both Trayvon and Zimmerman aren't perfect and we shouldn't hold either up to those standards.

Neither should we hold past actions against them unless they are applicable to the issue at hand. Meaning, if Trayvon had a juvenile record for armed robbery, assault, etc, then maybe there'd be an issue with why he was in that neighborhood at that time and you could argue he was looking for trouble (though very thin).

Also, unless Zimmerman has a history of racial slurs, profiling, random acts of premeditated violence and has issued a manifesto against African-Americans wearing hoodies that buy Skittles, odds are that he got caught up in a situation that spiraled out of control quickly.

Meaning, this was unique circumstances that ended in tragedy and could have been completely avoided had both parties acted differently. Trayvon could have avoided confrontation when he realized he was being followed, called 911 himself or had his girlfriend do it for him. Zimmerman could have stayed in the car and let the police handle it.

That's my rant.

By: Captain Nemo on 3/27/12 at 2:35

Like I said that yogi has the hardest time understanding the simplest of simple thing. Yogi if you had any brains (I use the word brains for the lack of what to call what is in that head of yours) what the black friend said was hearsay.

By: Captain Nemo on 3/27/12 at 2:37

had to stop laughing before I could compose that last post of mind. I can’t wait to show it to my conservative friends.

By: Captain Nemo on 3/27/12 at 2:44

yogi-

Your misery is always the result of thinking.

Now go back and have some more moonshine.

By: yogiman on 3/27/12 at 2:49

gdiafante,

I read where Zimmerman and his wife were home caring some children... and two of them were black children. Would a racist agree to take care of black children? If he was a racist, why was he living in a mixed-race neighborhood?

By: Captain Nemo on 3/27/12 at 2:57

yogi-

I read where Zimmerman and his wife had stain dyed three white kids to look black.

By: Captain Nemo on 3/27/12 at 2:58

A man walks into a gay bar and laid down bag of Skittles…..

By: gdiafante on 3/27/12 at 3:03

I wonder yogi, why is it so important to you that Zimmerman not be a racist?

By: brrrrk on 3/27/12 at 3:04

yogiman said

"I read where Zimmerman and his wife were home caring some children... and two of them were black children. Would a racist agree to take care of black children? If he was a racist, why was he living in a mixed-race neighborhood?"

Last I heard, you can't control who moves in next door.... as for Zimmerman's wife, is this the same woman who took out the restraining order against him?

By: brrrrk on 3/27/12 at 3:05

gdiafante said

"I wonder yogi, why is it so important to you that Zimmerman not be a racist?"

Mirror, mirror on the wall.........

By: Captain Nemo on 3/27/12 at 3:07

Read this yogi and all you yogi lovers.

Zimmerman was not following the neighborhood watch rules.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/os-trayvon-martin-neighborhood-watch-20120321,0,177284,full.story

By: Captain Nemo on 3/27/12 at 3:10

Read this yogi and all you yogi lovers.

Zimmerman was not following the neighborhood watch rules.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/os-trayvon-martin-neighborhood-watch-20120321,0,177284,full.story

By: Captain Nemo on 3/27/12 at 3:11

ooops this will something that yogi want see twice. LOL

By: yogiman on 3/27/12 at 3:11

Because you all on this site are making so many comments about his being so.

By: gdiafante on 3/27/12 at 3:17

So you hope he's not a racist to prove people wrong here, not because people shouldn't be racist...gotcha.

By: Captain Nemo on 3/27/12 at 3:17

Actually yogi it is people like you that make him into a racists. You never once say anything about Zimmerman having a gun and killing an young boy caring Skittles.

By: Captain Nemo on 3/27/12 at 3:21

“I want you to know yogi that I carry a big bag of Skittles and I mean to use it”, Says the Captain meaning business.

By: Captain Nemo on 3/27/12 at 3:24

Come on yogi, don’t you have any sympathy for a young black man with Skittles?

By: Captain Nemo on 3/27/12 at 3:26

I would have had some sympathy for Zimmerman if he had been the one with the Skittles.

By: Captain Nemo on 3/27/12 at 3:29

yogi-

If Zimmerman had killed a white man with Skittles, would yogi stand up for him then?

By: Captain Nemo on 3/27/12 at 3:29

Come on yogi, where is the fire?

By: Loner on 3/27/12 at 3:58

Zi8mmerman may not have been a racist, though the 911 call indicates that he may have been in a racist frame of mind when he said "they always get away.", or words to that effect....he had already informed the police dispatcher that the "suspect" was a black male...is that what he meant by "they"? And there's the garbled exclamatory remarks as the shots are being fired....was that a racial slur?

Those defending Zimmerman are not necessarily racists...but many racists are quick to defend the shooter.

Of course, some may hate Hispanics more than they hate blacks and that may cloud their judgment as well.

IMO, Zimmerman should not be able to play the role of victim here and get away with it...this man is a policeman wannabe who couldn't qualify to become a real cop...so he went with the cop-wannabe role....in a shooter-friendly state. It was only a matter of time before this panicky dude shot somebody.

Zimmerman had an itchy trigger-finger and he did not follow orders, from the 911 dispatcher, to not pursue....Trayvor had a perfect right to defend himself from this armed and overzealous cop-wannabe...I hope that the kid got in a swift kick to Zimmerman's nut-sack; the gun-toting neighborhood watchman seems to have a testosterone imbalance.

By: Captain Nemo on 3/27/12 at 4:11

Loner-

Testosterone imbalance, you make to sound like yogi.

By: yogiman on 3/27/12 at 4:26

Loner,

No one knows what happened at the time except Trayvor and Zimmerman. And now, only Zimmerman knows. Everyone else only knows what they have heard or read, and I made a statement before about Zimmerman talking to the on police dispatcher and telling him the guy was no longer in sight and he was going back to his SUV. Apparently it was when he was walking back to his SUV when Trayvor "jumped him" from behind.

In essence, if he jumped him from behind, how did he get that punch on Zimmerman's nose strong enough to break it?

I've read where Zimmerman was 5'8" and weighed over 200 pounds and Trayvor was 6'2" and weighed only 140 pounds, yet he had Zimmerman down and was beating his head on the pavement.

Either Trayvor was strong as a bull or Zimmerman was as weak as a piece of boiled spaghetti.

Well know soon enough.

By: Loner on 3/27/12 at 4:27

BTW, the Up for Debate question asks: "Should George Zimmerman face charges, possibly brought by the federal government, related to the killing of Trayvon Martin?"

Our opinions were solicited and we offered them. Facing charges is not the same thing as pronouncing Zimmerman guilty of murder or manslaughter...that's for a judge and jury to decide, IMO....hopefully, the case will go to trial and not be dismissed or preemptively pardoned by the Governor of Florida...the banana republic state.

Because we have a few of these banana republic states within our union of states, we sometimes need the federal justice system to come in and trump local incompetence and local corruption.

By: Captain Nemo on 3/27/12 at 4:33

It is all Martins fault.

By: budlight on 3/27/12 at 7:40

Hey Yogi. Tonight on a show I heard that a black man (82 years old) was in his home in Chicago sleeping; his wife woke him up cause someone was breaking into his home through the bathroom window. So the 82 year old gets his handgun and confronts the punk (about 19 year old black kid) and shoots him in the leg. The punk was in his house, stealing liquor from him and got shot. So who got arrested? Of course, the 82 year old defending his home and wife. It's against the law to have a gun in Chicago. Of course, that's the birth place of Senator BO! Well, not really the birth place - but it's the birthing ground for his political climb. Can anyone say corrupt? Of course it's two black men, so Sharpton, O'Drama, Jackson and the ilk of those "interlopers" don't get any media play out of defending an 82 year old black man who shot a punk for robbing his home.

I think that this kid who was killed by Zimmerman was not a saint. And if he was suspended due to drugs, did they do any drug testing on him when he was shot? Maybe he was out getting munchies. Isn't that what dopers do? Get high and run to the store for munchies?

Sad. We live in a sad world. Zimmerman's life is ruined; The kid's life was apparently already awry and his mom is a "camera hog". She needs to stay home from Congress and mourn.