Up for Debate: GOP jockeying

Thursday, December 29, 2011 at 12:20am

A week out from the Iowa Caucus, GOP candidates are jockeying for position. What's your take on who's coming out ahead and who's stumbling?

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By: Loner on 12/29/11 at 12:08

Maybe mitt will pick Jeb for Veep? The Heretic and the Royal Prince. Now there's a delightful pairing. I might vote for that combo...if waterboarded enough.

My crystal balls are glowing...wait....there's a message...."Beware, Prince Jeb the Jovial doth cometh."

Now, they went dark....could be a glitch?

I'll have to wipe them down with Wiccan Windex and a Sacred Chamois again. I trust the crystalline spheres of clairvoyance...Jeb is in this thing....he's not writing Editorials to the NYT for nothing.

Ben, you like a Mitt - Jeb ticket, no?

By: yogiman on 12/29/11 at 12:14


I recommend you take that free course on the Constitution offered by by Hillsdale College. They are offering it to begin 20, February 2012 beginning on the 20th. Its only 10 lessons. You might learn something about that little piece of scrap paper you don't seem to be able to understand.

Rubio was born in Florida to parents who fled Cuba. They did not become citizens until after his birth. He, like Barack Obama, was, and is, not eligible for that office.

Being an avid party member is one thing, intentionally stealing is something else.

By: Loner on 12/29/11 at 12:32

Born in the USA means full citizenship...natural born...end of discussion. Rubio was an "anchor baby", he's eligible to run and be elected POTUS, if he's at least 35 years old. And there is a minimum 14 year residency requirement, I suppose that he has fulfilled the basic requirements....as did Barack Obama.



No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen Years a resident within the United States.

Article II sec.1.

By: Loner on 12/29/11 at 12:55

Headline: Up for Debate: GOP jockeying

A week out from the Iowa Caucus, GOP candidates are jockeying for position. What's your take on who's coming out ahead and who's stumbling?

You know, the image of a fat-bottomed Newt Gingrich dressed in jockey silks, astride some unfortunate and unwilling race horse is quite humorous.

I see Rick Perry in a cowboy hat and cowboy boots, complete with Star of David spurs...seated ass-backwards on his obese and tired horse.

And Rick Santorum? I see him seated upon an ass in this horse race...he could have Divine help, if so, the sanctimonious ass could easily win this horse race.

Ron Paul looks like an old jockey...razor thin, ballsy and experienced...I'd bet on the old jockey, not on the fat impersonator...or the others...they are jokers, not jockeys.

By: Loner on 12/29/11 at 12:57

And Paul is riding the youngest horse in the race....it's Paul's race to lose, IMO.

By: yogiman on 12/29/11 at 1:27

I guess you read differently than I, Loner. If Obama and Rubio are legally eligible because of their birth, would that mean the children born in the USA to illegal mothers would make them eligible for that office, simply because they were born here? So, what is the difference between natural born and native born? Gimme a break, Loner, take that course on the Constitution.

Barry Soetoro knows he isn't eligible for that office. That's why he is refusing to show who he is to the people he is supposed to be representing.

By: Loner on 12/29/11 at 1:34

I tried, Yogi cannot be reasoned with...that's the definition of an internet troll...and me, I must be "insane", I've tried to reason with Yogi in the past...it did not work then, it is not working now...I'm crazy to have thought that one more attempt would make a difference....mea culpa.

By: BenDover on 12/29/11 at 1:48

I was for a Condi / Jeb or Jeb / Condi ticket all along loner but I don't see either of them as a 2nd to Romney.

By: yogiman on 12/29/11 at 3:43

No, Loner, Rubio isn't a usurper.

If you aren't aware, he isn't in the Senate illegally. To help with a little bit of knowledge, a usurper is one who usurps by seizing and holding in possession by force, or without right.

Barry the boy is a usurper who usurped the office and is now usurping it.

By: yogiman on 12/29/11 at 3:59


Why was that phrase "natural born citizen" placed in our Constitution by our founders? Why do you think it was placed there? I used to think you was a reasonably intelligent man. Sorry. My mistake.

Common sense would (at least should) tell you a natural born citizen would be a child born to parents, both of whom were citizens of the same nation.

By: BenDover on 12/29/11 at 4:30

14th amendment extends U.S. citizenship to anyone born here yogi. That makes Rubio a natural born citizen.

By: dargent7 on 12/29/11 at 4:53

L'ner: I'll see your mea culpa and raise you a quid pro quo.
"yogi" is not worth the ink to respond to. He's fixated on Obama. Usually male fixations are for their Mothe, Oedipus. (Freud)
"yogi" exhibits the female version of the fixation, Electra.
I'd upgrade to The Tennessean posts. You meet a better class of imbiciles.

By: pswindle on 12/29/11 at 5:01

Iraq has been given the choice of what to do with thier country. If it goes to hell in a hand-basket, that is their fault. We have lost enough men, power and money in that area. We should have never invaded Iraq, but that is water under the bridge. President Obama will be re-elected. The general public knows what he walked into, and the GOP has done everything in tbeir power to keep our country from growing and glowing.

By: dargent7 on 12/29/11 at 5:41

pswindle: So, correct, but, alas, the USA will likely vote for another liar and career politician or millionaire businessman.
Obama may win. If any of these Repubs get the keys, we can all kiss our ass'es good-bye. They will start 1 or 2 wars in the first 90 days. To show "balls", patriotism, and strength. Just shows how screwed up we all are.

By: yogiman on 12/29/11 at 6:13


I assure you, "Obama" is not the issue here. He is in the middle of the 'deal', but he is not the issue. The issue is flushing the Constitution down the commode.


I understand the 14th Amendment. It was originally passed to give citizenship to the former slaves. Back then, even in my youth they had a poll tax you had to pay to vote. That was done because most of the black people couldn't afford to vote and the 'runners' feared for their vote. They finally found that tax to be unconstitutional. It was then brought in to give citizenship to anyone born in the USA.

If simply being born in the USA to a citizen of any nation gives that person natural born status, that then gives the right to hold the Oval Office. As I have noted before, any child born here to an illegal alien would then be eligible for that office, even if their mother then took them back to their native nation and raised them.

How 'bout a president that can't speak English? Its hell not to understand them now even though they're speaking the English language.

By: Captain Nemo on 12/29/11 at 6:41

He never understands the simples of things.

By: yogiman on 12/29/11 at 7:33

Captain Nemo,

Let's look at this matter in a friendly fashion, shall we?

Okay, the way I see it, we have two different stupid groups here; I am individually one of the stupid groups. The way I see the wording and meaning of our Constitution and my understanding of the laws effecting this situation is different than the other group of stupid individuals. And, of course, I think better than theirs.

Next, we have a group of stupid individuals who feel they understand the meaning of our Constitution and understand the laws effecting this situation different than I of my team being a stupid individual. And, of course, they think they are smarter than I.

2012 is going to be a very interesting year politically and we'll know who's right and who's wrong by November 6, 2012, or possibly before.

So, let's have fun arguing back and forth the next ten months until we finally get to see who the stupids are. OK?

By: pswindle on 12/29/11 at 8:08

McCain was born in Panama. What does that make him? Why can't you understand President Obama when he speaks. I do not have a problem.

By: yogiman on 12/29/11 at 8:50


To refresh your memory, "Barack Obama" brought John McCain's eligibility before the Senate. The Senate called John McCain up for questioning which he readily accepted and showed his birth certificate.

McCain's father was an officer in the Navy stationed in Panama where he was born. Panama was a territory of the US.

It was determined with his father being on duty to the USA and both of his parents were U.S. citizens, he was a natural born citizen. "Barack Obama" agreed on that.

But when "Barack Obama" was asked about going through the questioning routine, he refused. Ever wonder why? Ever wonder why the Senate didn't insist on it?

And are you sure "Barack Obama" was born in Hawaii? How do you know? Have you ever seen his actual birth certificate? Didn't think so.

If he was born in Hawaii, why did he tell some young people he was glad to be home on a trip to Kenya? Why did his wife tell a group of women (in a talk) they went through Africa to his homeland of Kenya? Why has he spent so much time in Kenya in the past 3 years?

By: yogiman on 12/29/11 at 9:38


If you was insinuating my statement about a president that can't speak English, you need to go back and read it again. I was referring to children born on US soil to illegal foreign mothers who take them home and raise them. Ain't it great that a child can be born to a foreign mother in the USA and then taken home to raise so they could become president of the USA?

Those children usually learn the language of their homeland. To really plan ahead, though, they should learn English before becoming president.