Up for Debate: Harwell opposes arming teachers

Thursday, December 20, 2012 at 12:40am

What do you think about House Speaker Beth Harwell's comments regarding arming teachers and moving forward on gun bills in the Tennessee General Assembly?

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By: Blanketnazi2 on 12/20/12 at 10:05

y: Blanketnazi2 on 12/20/12 at 7:50
St. Petersburg police say 52-year-old Michael Jock was waiting in line at a Little Caesars on Sunday when another customer, 49-year-old Randall White, began complaining about the slow service. The men exchanged words, which turned into a shoving match.

The Tampa Bay Times reports that Jock pulled a revolver and shot White in the lower torso. The two struggled and White was shot a second time.

Jock, who has a concealed weapons permit, told officers he was justified under Florida's "stand your ground" law, which allows people to use deadly force if they believe their lives are in danger.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/12/20/man-shot-during-pizza-restaurant-argument/#ixzz2FbGGTgBW

By: Loner on 12/20/12 at 10:07

As I posted earlier...the Israelis have the right idea on gun ownership....there is no right to keep and bear arms in Israel....one must be trained, licensed and retested every three years, in order to be a legal gun-owner in Israel....however, the Israeli government is a lot more lenient with their "settlers", thre fanatics who squat on stolen Arab land...they turn a blind eye to settler gun-violence directed at Arabs....Israeli Jews get away with murdetr every single day....and still, the US bankrolls and defends the murtderous Jewish theocracy...no strings attached.

It's all about enforcing gun laws....not just putting them on the books for show.

By: Captain Nemo on 12/20/12 at 10:09

Your apology is accepted from me, StevenII. However, as you can see the next poster has a problem with reality. I for one was quick to judges you as another troll, like bud.

Please accept my apology.

By: budlight on 12/20/12 at 10:10

Sorry Blanket, I didn't see the Florida case you were talking about and the line above it about "pass your garbage on" was not for you; forgot to double space.

However, regarding the Florida case you mentioned, I would have to read more. But with what you posted, I can't tell who started the argument. If the shooter started it, then he probably has no defense. If the person who was shot, started it, then maybe the other guy did feel threatened. I know one thing is for sure -- no one can afford to get into verbal altercations in person, in their car, at the movies or anywhere. Besides the legal firearms, there are illegal firearms and no one is immune to the violence.

I know you all think God does not fit in, but when He is involved, things are not as bad. Someone asked "why wasn't God at the School" and my answer to that is: The U.S. Government supported by the left wing told God to get out of schools years ago, and God only comes into our lives and hearts when invited in -- He does not bulldoze His way in like the U.S. Government does".

By the way G, during the assault weapons ban, there were MANY MURDERS INCLUDING MASS MURDERS in the U.S. So did that BAN help anything? NO!

By: Captain Nemo on 12/20/12 at 10:11

You are asking to much from her, Blanket.

By: budlight on 12/20/12 at 10:11

Blanketnazi2 on 12/20/12 at 9:04
bud, I posted the link to the article and quoted it. It has nothing to do with Trevon Martin. All you have to do is READ WHAT WAS POSTED. It doesn't even require you having to do any research or use critical thinking skills.

I agree with you and while you were "dissing" me, I was apologizing to you. I said I was sorry.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 12/20/12 at 10:13

bud, you need to read more about Thomas Jefferson and Thomas Paine and their thoughts on religion when our government was founded.

By: budlight on 12/20/12 at 10:13

Captain Nemo on 12/20/12 at 9:09
Your apology is accepted from me, StevenII. However, as you can see the next poster has a problem with reality. I for one was quick to judges you as another troll, like bud.

Please accept my apology.

Capt. Nemroid, I did not address Steven's post. So speak for yourself and do not speak for me, you interloper!

By: Blanketnazi2 on 12/20/12 at 10:16

Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity.
-Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia, 1782

Where the preamble declares, that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed by inserting "Jesus Christ," so that it would read "A departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion;" the insertion was rejected by the great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mohammedan, the Hindoo and Infidel of every denomination.
-Thomas Jefferson, Autobiography, in reference to the Virginia Act for Religious Freedom

Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legislative powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between church and State.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Danbury Baptist Association, CT., Jan. 1, 1802

By: Blanketnazi2 on 12/20/12 at 10:17

Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, February 10, 1814

By: budlight on 12/20/12 at 10:17

: parnell3rd on 12/20/12 at 7:22
Loner is drinking essprsso and speading propaganda early this morning.
How well are gun free zones working?
Will taking away all the guns in the world stop Murder?
Do the cities with strict gun laws have more crime? Yes.
Once again Pres. Obama has become the #1 gun saleman. By spreading fear!
And has Pres. Obama ever gone into Black, Hispanix,Asian neighborhoods reciting the names of Children who have died by gun violence? No. Is that because he is a racist?
After the London riots, their gov't wanted to ban baseball bats. They allegedly have no guns. People were useing baseball bats for protection and the crimanal's complained.

Parnell, you are correct. One city which bans guns is Chicago - highest crime rate and murders in the country but who's counting? Obviously not Obama because he, his kids and the wife are protected by a barrage of guns, while being surrounded by heavily armed secret service agents so they (obama clan) have no fear and do not relate to the everyday Joe and Jane who are confronted daily with violence and have no means of defense except to call 911 who comes by in 5 to 10 minutes if they are lucky.

By: Loner on 12/20/12 at 10:19

Round up all the guns...smelt them down....builfd bicycles with the recovered metal.

Those who refuse to give up their weapons should lose their US citizenship and get shipped one-way to a place like Somalia, where there are no laws to speaqak of...let the rugged individualists and preppers fulfill their shooting fantasies, someplace other than here.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 12/20/12 at 10:21

16.There are matters in the Bible, said to be done by the express commandment of God, that are shocking to humanity and to every idea we have of moral justice..... [Thomas Paine]

By: Captain Nemo on 12/20/12 at 10:21

bud says;

I know you all think God does not fit in, but when He is involved, things are not as bad. Someone asked "why wasn't God at the School" and my answer to that is: The U.S. Government supported by the left wing told God to get out of schools years ago, and God only comes into our lives and hearts when invited in -- He does not bulldoze His way in like the U.S. Government does".

I don’t think god has to be asking to be in school or not. If you so-called religious people would think just how powerful God is, then you would not be saying such silly then. Prayer in school or God had anything to do with the shooting. It was the act of a deranged mind and a society that thinks all answers are to be answered with a gun.

By: budlight on 12/20/12 at 10:23

By: StephenII on 12/20/12 at 8:06
What about the 329,000 innocent babies that Planned Parenthood Murdered this Year alone?

No apology necessary Stephen; you'll note that the libtards on this site do not even believe that the "fetus" which is killed is actually a person. So they will not compassionately or intellectually respond to your question. Our country is wrong to allow this type of murder and yet some of the libtards cry out if a mass murderer or other murderer is sentenced to die in the electric chair or by lethal injection.

I am always asking them: Did your own mother believe in abortion? She must not have believed in it, or else she would have aborted them and they would not be spewing their abortion venom on the nation.

My Mother Chose Life. So did theirs, but they have no appreciation of that fact. Plus, they do not care if others have the right of self defense. They are afraid of fire arms and too lazy or cheap to take a class to EDUCATE themselves in the matter.

So you do not owe anyone an apology Stephen.

By: Loner on 12/20/12 at 10:25

Working w/o a spellcheck safety net here....those red squiggly lines under misspelled words are surely missed this morning.

By: Captain Nemo on 12/20/12 at 10:26

Don’t flatter yourself, bud. I was talking to Steven in the first place. Just explaining to him about your bad disposition

By: yogiman on 12/20/12 at 10:26

It's easy, B2.

None of us know the situation of, or between, the two guys in Florida. That seems to be one of the problems with you posters that don't know what you're arguing about.

Learn your facts before you argue.

By: Captain Nemo on 12/20/12 at 10:29

My Mother Chose Life.

Yes and now the world has a monkey troll.

By: budlight on 12/20/12 at 10:32

y: Captain Nemo on 12/20/12 at 9:21
bud says;

I know you all think God does not fit in, but when He is involved, things are not as bad. Someone asked "why wasn't God at the School" and my answer to that is: The U.S. Government supported by the left wing told God to get out of schools years ago, and God only comes into our lives and hearts when invited in -- He does not bulldoze His way in like the U.S. Government does".

I don’t think god has to be asking to be in school or not. If you so-called religious people would think just how powerful God is, then you would not be saying such silly then. Prayer in school or God had anything to do with the shooting. It was the act of a deranged mind and a society that thinks all answers are to be answered with a gun.

No we do not think all answers (questions) are to answered with a Gun. But answering the questions with God would be a good start.

I don't get into the old testament of historical events. Those events are not to be repeated today. I'm not sure why you continually post them Blanket. Everyone knows they are historical facts. We are to use the 10 commandments to live by. Those 10 laws will answer any question that a person has.

And by the way, if a Christian commits a sin, it's due to them being human. After all, we're christians, not SAINTS.

I am so sad for those children. Yesterday was the 28th anniversary of the Wilberg Mine Fire and 59 children lost a parent in that fire. Along with mothers, fathers, brothers, sisters, and aunts, uncles and grandparents. Just like Florida, Wilberg touched many lives. It is painful. One never forgets the pain, but learns to adjust and live with it. It was not a gun that took those lives at Wilberg; but it was neglect and a bit of greed and arrogance. Sad. All lose of lives is sad.

And there is a child being tortured, neglected, abused or murdered within a 50 mile radius of where you are right now while you're reading this post. AND what are YOU doing about it?

By: Captain Nemo on 12/20/12 at 10:32

I had better clear this up. It was bud’s mother.

By: budlight on 12/20/12 at 10:39

FRANKLIN, Tenn. -
The Tennessee Bureau of Investigation added an 82-year-old man wanted for child rape to the state's "Most Wanted" list on Tuesday afternoon.

An example of my point. Did you guys try to help those kids? Nope - but at least they caught him.

and Capt. Nemroid, you are a pain in the butttttt, and it's a shame your Mom didn't teach you to respect life. Mine taught me. I know you think you are cute calling me names, but honestly, it's just who you are so I don't mind. If it makes you feel like a BIGGER MAN (or woman) then go ahead and call me and others names. After all, it's who you are, probably. And you were never taught better.

Have a Merry Christmas Nemroid. It's a blessed time of the year.

By: Eye Nose & Now ... on 12/20/12 at 10:40

It seem just about every bodys posting today an d this week are tolerant excpt
may be Yogi and 2-3 others who cant tolerate fact Obama is Muslim. I want
thank every bodys else who tell white lie when say Obama is NOT Muslim as
that white lie is just like good white lie you tell toddler that there IS Santa Claus
as good outways the bad. At right time Obama come forward and ADMITS he
Muslim and big 48 hrs hullablew and it blow away just like when Obama say
same-sex mariage ok and it last 2 day before everyone realizes how Obama
be right on that to. It best we keeps tell one anothr white lie about Obama
alltho any half witt morun who looks into it know Obama a Muslim unless
dishonest but it be only harmless white lie. And we all also agrees that
guns are bad to cause Obama say so and as usal he be rightm on that to.

By: Captain Nemo on 12/20/12 at 10:41

bud-

Why does God let things like the shooting in Newtown happen? Maybe it is because people like you; don't want tax money going to mental care. God has given us the ability to help people like shooter, but God has also given people like you the ability to stop funding.

So maybe we should be asking you bud why you let this happen.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 12/20/12 at 10:43

Police, however, disagreed with Jock’s interpretation of the law and arrested him on charges of aggravated battery and firing a weapon within a building.

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/12/19/1360511/michael-jock-shooter/?mobile=nc

The police arrested the Florida shooter. So much for the "we don't know what was going on so we can't judge" mentality.

By: Captain Nemo on 12/20/12 at 10:50

Have a Merry Christmas Nemroid. It's a blessed time of the year.

Here you go again bud, with your holier than you attitude.

Saying Merry Christmas in angry and name calling does not help your dark soul.

By: gdiafante on 12/20/12 at 10:51

My issue with these people are why they go out of their way to defend something like that Florida story, blanket. In their attempt to defend someone pulling a gun in public and shooting over a minor dispute, they lose track of reality.

The police knew what was going on and they knew the law and acted appropriately. I haven't read the link but were there any innocent bystanders, blanket? You know, those people who just wanted a pizza without being killed?

I can imagine standing in line with my children and two nuts start arguing and one pulls a gun...what about my rights and the rights of my children to not face a warzone everytime we go somewhere?

By: yogiman on 12/20/12 at 10:51

Parents are the way they are raised, gdiafante. How much are you like you dad? Too many of today's kids don't have parents, they too often only have a mother.

It's unusual for a child to be raised by good parents to turn out lousy. I've known a few, but they are few and far between and it's usually by the influence their "friends" impress on them in their childhood.

By: Captain Nemo on 12/20/12 at 10:53

Bi-polar ENN chimes in. Here is an good example where tax money should god to help people.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 12/20/12 at 10:54

Exactly, g. This guy was a legal gun owner with a carry permit and he starts a pissing match with a disgruntled customer then pulls a gun on him and shoots him. He put the employees and all the other customers at risk and yet the pro gun people STILL defend him. Then they change the subject to abortion and prayer in school. !!!!!!!

By: Blanketnazi2 on 12/20/12 at 10:55

I just Sheriff Roy must've been an awful parent, then.

By: Captain Nemo on 12/20/12 at 10:55

Isn’t it obvious Blanket? The police are just wrong. LOL

By: grid on 12/20/12 at 10:55

I'm replying to Blanketnazi2's post on 12/20/12 at 8:59. I believe that the current laws regarding gun ownership can be made more strict, and those who are able & willing to accept responsibility may own the type & quantity of guns they desire.

However, this will require compromise...something that seems to be lacking in our current political leadership. Trying to discuss things while the CT tragedy is still fresh in people's minds will lead to knee-jerk legislation that ultimately helps no one. Once people have grieved & begun to heal; that's the time for discussion.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 12/20/12 at 10:56

s/h/b I guess Sheriff Roy must've been an awful parent.

By: Captain Nemo on 12/20/12 at 10:57

He did raise an idiot son. LOL

By: Blanketnazi2 on 12/20/12 at 10:57

grid, I agree. I really have a problem with the who gun show thing where people don't have to do the waiting period. I

By: Captain Nemo on 12/20/12 at 11:01

I will be the first in line at the Gun Show and improve my manhood.

I. B. Mann

By: frodo on 12/20/12 at 11:13

It's not about guns. It is about a culture of killing. It is about a culture that devalues life. Take away guns, and they will use knifes, as one man did in China recently. Take away the knifes and they will use home made bombs or pitchforks or a stick of wood. Strip everything away from us, down to our nakedness, and still some will have the will and means for mayhem. It is time to take a long, hard look at our media and what passes for entertainment. At attitudes that so easily terminate life in the womb.

Compare these standards and attitudes and what we feed on in the media with that of past generations. We are not just a financially bankrupt nation, we are also a morally bankrupt people. Only our pride keeps us pointing at other things, like guns and knives and laws and politicians, as the problem.

But this preaching is a sad lament. Because we will not look within. And so we have no choice but to enslave ourselves to the ever-tightening noose of regulation. Now a quote from Ben Franklin before I pass the hat, "Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become more corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters."

By: Captain Nemo on 12/20/12 at 11:19

Is it true frodo, that there is a secret hide-out for Neo-Nazis and Klansmen, on Paradise Ridge.

By: gdiafante on 12/20/12 at 11:19

That's all fine and well, frodo, but where is mental illness in your rant? Because, sane people don't commit these acts.

And forgive me, but I'll take my chances with one madman and a knife rather than one madman with three assault weapons, high-capacity magazines and body armor.

I do agree what we've been desensitized to violence and that there is a culture in this country where guns and killing is seen as heroic. That should be acceptable to no one.

By: yogiman on 12/20/12 at 11:20

He's already admitted he's a Muslim in an interview, ENN (or was that an intentional "boo boo"?). He's already shown he's of the Islam faith, not the Christian. When did he convert? Was it when he went the the church with a preacher that hated God? No? Then why did he say "God damn America"?

But no, my argument hasn't been his faith, it's been his constitutional eligibility. The posters on this site claim he's eligible because he was born in an American state. But they have no evidence he was and he refuses to prove it. His father was known to be a British subject born in Kenya by his autobiography.

Yet they claimed two other men (Mitt Romney and Rick Santoram) weren't eligible to run, even though they willingly proved they were born in the USA, because their fathers were born in a foreign nation.

Do you have their answers? They won't give them.

By: Captain Nemo on 12/20/12 at 11:25

You are right about one thing, frodo. However you seem to leave out an important ingredient in your ridgeline philosophy. The mental care factor would have gone a long way in dealing with people like the shooter. Instead there will be a lot of money spent on the emotional care of the survivors.

By: bfra on 12/20/12 at 11:25

Perfect example of a mentally incompetent troll that should not have a gun.

By: gdiafante on 12/20/12 at 11:26

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/muslimfaith.asp

Next

By: bfra on 12/20/12 at 11:27

Nemo - You got 1 comment in between the 1 I was replying to.

By: Captain Nemo on 12/20/12 at 11:33

That won’t help gdia. It see only what it wants to see and ignores the facts.

Enough wasted time on the troll.

By: Captain Nemo on 12/20/12 at 11:33

I'm sorry bfra...?

By: yogiman on 12/20/12 at 11:36

I'm surprised, even you make mistakes, don't you, B2? And I'll bet Sheriff Roy raised better children than your dad, B2. Sheriff Roy taught us kids to respect and show respect.. until we were disrespected then we could "get in the middle of it". So here I am.

I'm still waiting for an answer as why Barry Soetoro aka Barack Obama is in that office legally with a Kenyan father when Mitt Romney and Rick Santoram weren't in the race legally because their fathers were form in foreign nations. When did we adopt Kenya as state 51? Or would it be state 58 using Barry's numbers?

By: yogiman on 12/20/12 at 11:37

Gotta go. You should have enough time to find an answer, B2. I'll read it when I get back.

By: gdiafante on 12/20/12 at 11:38

What a dumbass...I feel sorry for his idiot family.