Up for Debate: Haslam disagrees with evolution bill, lets it pass

Tuesday, April 10, 2012 at 7:05pm

Gov. Bill Haslam declined Tuesday to veto House Bill 368/Senate Bill 893, which would open up the debate in classrooms regarding scientific issues such as evolution, global warming, creationism, et al. 

Haslam said: "I do not believe that this legislation changes the scientific standards that are taught in our schools or the curriculum that is used by our teachers. However, I also don’t believe that it accomplishes anything that isn’t already acceptable in our schools.

“The bill received strong bipartisan support, passing the House and Senate by a three-to-one margin, but good legislation should bring clarity and not confusion. My concern is that this bill has not met this objective. For that reason, I will not sign the bill but will allow it to become law without my signature.”

Do you agree with Haslam's take on the bill? What about his decision not to put his signature on a veto but say the bill doesn't meet the objective it should?

144 Comments on this post:

By: Captain Nemo on 4/11/12 at 4:26

He should have had the balls to veto it.

By: Captain Nemo on 4/11/12 at 4:28

Loud mouth predictions;

By: shinestx on 2/10/12 at 12:14
Just got to say it first... "President Santorum"! Get used to it, folks!

By: Ummm... on 4/11/12 at 4:30

Typical behavior for the Tea Party fearing governor- first, say you'll "probably" sign it, then show tacit disapproval but let it become law anyway. Play both sides for as long as possible...Mitt Romney has nothing on Haslam.

By: dargent7 on 4/11/12 at 5:11

Another filthy rich idiot in government.
"I voted for it, before I voted against it..."
So, can Science 101 in the 8th grade talk about Global Warming and Evolution?
Or, is it another law like, Don't Say Gay, Say No to Drugs, Say No to Sex...?
What's become of our "schools" preparing kids for the outer real world?

By: Loner on 4/11/12 at 5:13

Good morning, Nashville!

Schlepped over from the original Pith in the Wind comment board:

Wow...Reverend Governor Haslam is a gutless wonder....and Tennessee looks like it's wearing a Coonskin Cap.... backwards.

Some eighty-seven years after the Scopes Monkey Trial, the people in Tennessee are still unconvinced that evolution is possible....in the Volunteer State, evolution may actually be impossible.....stupidity is bipartisan and the Governor is a trembling chickenshit.....do I hear the opening chords of "Deliverance"?

They're certainly squealing like pigs in Tennessee.

Rumor has it that the TN legislature is crafting a bill that would change the name of our species...from Homo sapiens, to Hetero sapiens....the Governor will certainly sign that one into law.

By: Captain Nemo on 4/11/12 at 5:18

From last night.

I venture to say that parnell3dr, has a short term memory lost. Hailey Barbour?

By: parnell3rd on 4/10/12 at 9:30
We're all missing the point! BenDover has the perfect name for jailtime! Boy, the jailor lost his keys and let all of you libs out on smoke break at the same time!
And Tennessee had a Demoncratic Gov. taking money for clemency letting prisoners out of jail eary. Oh, yall forgot that one right?

Barbour: No apologies for murderers' pardons

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505263_162-57358496/barbour-no-apologies-for-murderers-pardons/

By: Captain Nemo on 4/11/12 at 5:23

Or we could be call Ohno sapiens. wink,wink.

By: Captain Nemo on 4/11/12 at 5:26

Speaking of missing links….yogi and bud sitting in a tree k i s s i n g. Excuse me while I go trough up.

By: dargent7 on 4/11/12 at 5:54

Yeah, sure, Loner, but I'm building a chicken coop in my backyard to spend $400. to get eggs that would cost $0.98 cents a dz. from Kroger. Don't tell us we're THAT dumb.

By: Captain Nemo on 4/11/12 at 6:03

Asinine directive has away of coming back and biting people.

By: gdiafante on 4/11/12 at 6:05

So the governor admits he doesn't like the law, doesn't think it will change much, yet does nothing so it will become law. Sometimes the rationale of these twits is mind-numbing.

By: govskeptic on 4/11/12 at 6:09

Chief of Human Rights section of United Nations calls for Jailing
of Zimmerman and government payment to parents of deceased!!
He didn't mention whether Governor Haslam should have signed the
Bill or not!

By: dargent7 on 4/11/12 at 6:15

This is why I like California: Lawmakers here in Tenn. debate the pressing issues of "guns in bars, parks, employee parking lots, horse slaughter-houses, chickens in your back yard, abstience to control sex, no to abortion, no to evolution, no to global warming...in California the #1 priority for lawmakers is whether or not to ban foie gras (goose liver) in restaurants.
Good ole' boys in Tenn. seeing foie gras on the Shoney's menu would surely say, "Yep, give me a big heapin' bowl of that stuff".

By: Rasputin72 on 4/11/12 at 6:18

Here we are, representing one of the smallest posting groups I know of and we cannot get a consensus from 14 people.

Can you imagine what this democracy (if it exists) will look like in 25 years?

By: BenDover on 4/11/12 at 6:19

Veto in Tennessee is meaningless. It just takes a simple majority to override.

By: Rasputin72 on 4/11/12 at 6:20

There are only seven now but the other seven will show up soon I am sure.

By: treehugger7 on 4/11/12 at 6:33

There would be more (and smarter) posters if the repugs weren't holding the state hostage. How many times can we talk about the stupidity that runs rampant in the state and the legislature? They are stupid, we know it, yet people keep on voting for them. thinking people have just given up!

By: dargent7 on 4/11/12 at 6:33

re: The Masters....Bubba Watson. Looks like one of the original Monkees. Mickey Dolenz.

By: Captain Nemo on 4/11/12 at 6:35

In the year 2037 The Holely(sic) Divided Southern States of Southeastern,(We haven decided on a name yet.) came together and slammed the oppositions Bar-B-Cue as being the worst.

By: Captain Nemo on 4/11/12 at 6:37

Where in the World is George Zimmerman?

By: gdiafante on 4/11/12 at 6:39

Stupidity is a bipartisan endeavor, tree.

By: dargent7 on 4/11/12 at 6:43

re: Zimmerman. He's hiding behind a web site, looking for donations/ money.
His two idiotic lawyers are holding press conferences, "We're no longer his attorney's".
He has more death threats than Salman Rushdie.

By: treehugger7 on 4/11/12 at 6:44

Agreed, gdia!

By: gdiafante on 4/11/12 at 7:00

Why is Zimmerman asking for donations? Is he anticipating having to fund a legal defense or is he alleging that he isn't able to support his family due to this?

By: dargent7 on 4/11/12 at 7:03

If it were you, and you saw thousands asking for your arrest, you might as well make a buck off of it. He'll need $400. an hour attorney's. A bunch of them.

By: Moonglow1 on 4/11/12 at 7:23

Moonglow1: I said yesterday that Haslam should dump his ALEC handlers and man up. We all signed the petition, but Haslam refused to listen to Tennesseans, scientist, or professors.

So, he is also disappointed that Volkswagen is hiring a national search firm to recruit engineers and other highly skilled educated science professionals. Now more than ever companies will shun TN.

Haslam thinks because he did not sign he won't be associated with its passage. Well he is wrong. Haslam will be remembered as Scopes II-The Monkey Governor.

By: Moonglow1 on 4/11/12 at 7:33

Moonglow1: Hey Loner, come on down!, See Haslam in his coon skin cap climbing the tree outside the capitol eating bananas.

In my earlier post I meant to say that Volkswagen had to search out of state for qualified engineers because they cannot find any here. Then Haslam is quoted as stating we obviously need to strengthen our science curriculum. Then today he passes the Monkey Law!!!!

I can't tell you how upset I am with these "Fools on the Hill. "

By: BigPapa on 4/11/12 at 7:35

Haslam should have vetoed that instead he's going to make someone take it to court. Pretty whimpy, to not sign, but let it pass.

So far I've agreed with Haslam on most things, he's kept the loony stuff to a minimum, he's reformed tenure (didnt abolish it) he's reformed civil service, those are two things that never ever would have been touched by a Dem, but they needed doing. This however, is not only ridiculous, it's spineless.

By: Captain Nemo on 4/11/12 at 7:46

Artist: The Beatles
Song: The Fool On The Hill Lyrics

Day after day,
Alone on a hill,
The man with the foolish grin is keeping perfectly still
But nobody wants to know him,
They can see that he's just a fool,
And he never gives an answer,

But the fool on the hill,
Sees the sun going down,
And the eyes in his head,
See the world spinning 'round.

Well on the way,
Head in a cloud,
The man of a thousand voices talking perfectly loud
But nobody ever hears him,
or the sound he appears to make,
and he never seems to notice,

But the fool on the hill,
Sees the sun going down,
And the eyes in his head,
See the world spinning 'round.

And nobody seems to like him,
they can tell what he wants to do,
and he never shows his feelings,

But the fool on the hill,
Sees the sun going down,
And the eyes in his head,
See the world spinning 'round.

Ooh, ooh,
Round and round and round.

And he never listens to them,
He knows that they're the fools
They don't like him,

The fool on the hill
Sees the sun going down,
And the eyes in his head,
See the world spinning 'round.

Ooh,
Round and round and round

By: BenDover on 4/11/12 at 7:50

The hyperbole on this issue is astounding. The settled 'science' of anthropological Global Warming is falling apart like Al Gore's marriage after date-night at the Chakra Inn.

And science itself keeps nailing Darwin's monkey theory to the cross in that it has proven that we couldn't have evolved from the chimps with the latest theory being an earlier common ancestor. Plus the DNA evidence shows we have far more in common with pigs than monkeys. Good shooting there monkey man.

Darwin's own concerns about how to explain the Cambrian explosion never sees the light of day in the classroom either because it undermines the dogma being taught in our schools I guess. Insecurity doesn't suffer criticism well. It's so much cleaner if you just let the teachers teach the dogma.

You guys keep on with the idea that this miraculous universe just whipped itself up from scratch and that this little blue ball we live on, placed at the exact distance from the sun and with the exact tilt necessary for widespread life; and with its miraculous force-field that protects us from radiation and meteor impacts is the product of chance; and that we bootstrapped ourselves out of the mud to be the most complicated self repairing, self sustaining, cooperative, self aware devices ever conceived with a 3 billion bit DNA blueprint in every one of the trillions of coordinated microscopic cellular factories that make up our bodies.

Yeah... Darwin's tidy little theory should shut the door on such thought provoking discussion and mind opening discussions. It should quash any mind-expanding ideas of the spirit as being equally irrational as a young couple's feelings of love for one another. Yup... no place in the classroom for thoughts of such impractical non-sense or how that affects our lives, or our society, or our being.

It's no wonder our kids these days are just one rung over flinging feces as their primary form of communication.

By: Captain Nemo on 4/11/12 at 7:55

Creationism = Standing on the beach looking out at the horizon and saying this is all there is.

Science= Boarding a ship and sailing out toward the horizon to see what really is there.

Bill Haslam = Passing the buck and taking cover in his bunker.

By: Captain Nemo on 4/11/12 at 7:57

Ben Dover= Sailing the river of Denial

By: Captain Nemo on 4/11/12 at 7:57

You can come out now yogi, I'm going to work.

By: budlight on 4/11/12 at 8:08

Ahhh! Freedom of Speech. A thing of the past. Where did we go wrong? What is so bad about having an open intellectual discussion about anything and everything? Evolution? Revolution? Dissolution? Whatever the subject a person should be able to voice their opinion. After all, no one is forced to agree with everyone. Oh, unless the everyone is Obama the Drama Queen!

dargent7 on 4/11/12 at 7:43
re: Zimmerman. He's hiding behind a web site, looking for donations/ money.
His two idiotic lawyers are holding press conferences, "We're no longer his attorney's".
He has more death threats than Salman Rushdie.

D7, the media came out of the "filled with lies" closet they hid in and apologized and fired someone for ALTERING THE FOOTAGE of Zimmerman's injuries. They also are publishing a photo of the kid when he was 14 years old, looking like a normal 14 year old. However, the rumor has it that he had gold teeth and tattoos and was no innocent kid. Let me see if I get this: Zimmerman is guilty just because of a pack of lies so far? A witness stated that the kid was on top of Zimmerman. Where's the witness now? Afraid for their own life.

If you are driving on M'boro road and accidentally hit a person staggering across the street, do you want to be proven guilty or beaten up on the spot? When is this nonsense going to stop? The media distorts everything and you people suck it up like candy at a carnival.

By: gdiafante on 4/11/12 at 8:08

You guys keep on with the idea that this miraculous universe just whipped itself up from scratch and that this little blue ball we live on, placed at the exact distance from the sun and with the exact tilt necessary for widespread life; and with its miraculous force-field that protects us from radiation and meteor impacts is the product of chance; and that we bootstrapped ourselves out of the mud to be the most complicated self repairing, self sustaining, cooperative, self aware devices ever conceived with a 3 billion bit DNA blueprint in every one of the trillions of coordinated microscopic cellular factories that make up our bodies.

Yes, that's right. Is it really any more incredible than an omnipotent intelligent being that always existed randomly deciding to create life on a little planet in the middle of nothing?

By: Moonglow1 on 4/11/12 at 8:10

Moonglow1: Ben Dover or is it Bend Over. Take a look at The Huffington Post with the picture of Haslam (monkey in chair behind desk).

Ben, I am so impressed that you have such an in depth knowledge of Darwin's theory. Wow, The National Academy of Science would be thrilled to have someone of your knowledge and stature on their staff. Or perhaps you could apply at Volkswagen or maybe the Chinese would snap you up with such keen intelligence on display.

Common folks, like God snapped his finger and here we are. God gave us a brain to interpret our world. However those TN legislator's have not "evolved. ". They remain in pre historic territory.

Going bananas in TN.

Monkey's all around. Instead of Nash as our Predator's mascot, we need Haslam in a monkey suit. Go Preds go.

By: BenDover on 4/11/12 at 8:13

I'm just not sure why the science community is so thin skinned that it has to take legal action to shut-down any questions or criticisms.

By: gdiafante on 4/11/12 at 8:19

Ben, probably because we're in the 21st century yet have the mentality of the Dark Ages.

By: pswindle on 4/11/12 at 8:26

What have we elected? Oh, I didn't vote for this wimp, but a lot did and look where it has gotten us.

By: BenDover on 4/11/12 at 8:28

GD, you do know the settled science on the AGW is falling to pieces, right? All the Chicken Littles our there predicting world's end at the hands of American SUVs... led by the Master Debater in Chief are standing around now with their d*cks in their hands wondering why the crusade has yielded no World Domination rapture for the scientific faithful; and no choking gaia doomsday for the rest of us by now.

By: gdiafante on 4/11/12 at 8:33

No, I don't Ben. And by your own admission yesterday, man has had an effect on the weather pattern, climate. Again, I can't believe that an enlightened society in the 21st century, instead of finding a consensus that our species should act responsible in regards to pollution, are acting like spoiled children trying to pin the blame on a sibling.

By: Moonglow1 on 4/11/12 at 8:39

Moonglow1: Good post Nemo-Haslam taking cover in his bunker.

How in the h..ll is Pilot successful with a guy like Haslam. Goes to show you how dumb CEOs are and why do we pay them in the millions. They can't even take a simple stand. Not men but wimps.

By: yogiman on 4/11/12 at 8:46

It looks like things are different in Tulsa OK than Sanford FL. I read where a 20 year old black boy robbed and beat an elderly couple of white people and raped the woman and she died from it. Her husband was a WWII vet and they had been married 65 years. But nothing has been heard about it. Any wonder why? Yet they want Zimmerman brought in an found guilty without a trial because he killed a 17 1/2 year old black boy constantly being shown as a 12 year old child. And the Zimmerman's photos are shown with him in jailhouse clothes.

What would be the difference if Tyrone Woodfork was a white 20 year old boy and the elders were a white couple? Would the news show it? Don't make any bets on it.

Ladies and gentlemen, racism is back in the American picture again.

By: BenDover on 4/11/12 at 8:47

That's not the case but if you consider the anthropological global warming industry (private and public) to be unbiased then it's you with your head in the sand, gd.

The only effect that the industry wants to ignore is that our successes in cleaning up aerosol pollution have had a substantial effect on the main indicator they point to as evidence of AGW being a byproduct of industrialization and the capital economy.

Read Kyoto... it had nothing to do with pollution and everything to do with shifting wealth from wealthy nations (particularly the US) to poor nations... with an America hating UN committee as the arbiter of it all.

These goals are not scientific or logical... they are political.

By: gdiafante on 4/11/12 at 8:48

Yet they want Zimmerman brought in an found guilty without a trial because he killed a 17 1/2 year old black boy constantly being shown as a 12 year old child. And the Zimmerman's photos are shown with him in jailhouse clothes.

This shows your complete lack of comprehension regarding this case. The issue is that Zimmerman hasn't been arrested. Period. Unless there's something in the Constitution that states you can be tried before being arrested, I fail to see the logic in your statement.

So, what say you, Mr. Constitutional authority?

By: gdiafante on 4/11/12 at 8:51

So, you're argument is that the market is determining that going green is profitable? Yay Capitalism.

Oh wait, it's not a free market, they're holding a gun to people's head and forcing them to be environmentally aware.

Again, why the issue with being responsible? Talk about your head in the sand...

By: brrrrk on 4/11/12 at 8:54

Wow, from now on a weak spine in Tennessee will be referred to as a "Haslam".

By: yogiman on 4/11/12 at 8:55

Moonglow1,

If Governor Haslam is going to be known as the monkey-man for [what you consider] mistakes, what is your man Barry Soetoro (a.k.a. Barack Obama) going to be know as for his 69 lies (so far)?

By: brrrrk on 4/11/12 at 8:56

Captain Nemo said

"Where in the World is George Zimmerman?"

He's partying with Waldo, Matt Lauer, and Carmen Sandiego

By: BenDover on 4/11/12 at 8:58

I have no issue with being responsible. I'm a greenie from way back. I've had a subscription to Mother Earth News since I was a teenager.

There is no better friend to the environment to the free capital economy though. It provides the excess and gives us the luxury to consider our relationship with our environment. If you want to see environmental desolation go to third world countries where they are crapping in trenches and roasting endangered species over open cook fires.

The whole dirty industrialist is a childish stereotype born of people who ignore the necessity to balance our environmental concerns against our economic concerns. If the economy goes south people digging roots for survival have little concern for preserving natural areas or watersheds.