Up for Debate: Judge says mosque can open

Thursday, July 19, 2012 at 2:28am

What do you make of the lawsuits filed by both the Islamic Center of Murfreesboro and the U.S. Attorney's Office Wednesday as well as a judge's subsequent ruling that the mosque can open for Ramadan? What do you think the next move for Rutherford County government is, or should be?

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168 Comments on this post:

By: bfra on 7/19/12 at 9:19

What are you equating as right from wrong? With open borders, as you suggested, how is the number going to be smaller?

By: dargent7 on 7/19/12 at 9:19

re: gD's clarification of a prior clarification..."Check & Balances"...
The USA invaded, bombed, occupied a soveriegn country, Iraq.
All in the name of "justice.."protecting out interests..., keeping America safe..."weapons of mass destruction,....mushroom clouds...ALL BULLSHIT.
And 75% of all Americans don't even know it.
Half of all our 435 elected representatives in Congress are either on the take in someone's back or front pocket....usually both to hedge their bets.
50% of all Americans hate our duly elected President Obama.
Our country lost it's soul 10 years ago. At a minimum.

By: gdiafante on 7/19/12 at 9:19

Incense, slack..to cover the fart smell. The pope's diet is not that great...

By: slacker on 7/19/12 at 9:21

Oh... brilliant. The pot stays.

By: brrrrk on 7/19/12 at 9:21

gdiafante said

"unfortunately, sometimes people who need psychiatric help slip through the cracks..."

Cracks hell!!, in Tennessee they're wide open chasms....

By: Captain Nemo on 7/19/12 at 9:25

Ben the population south of the boarder is much higher than in the north. Again this will only drive the yogi’s farther into vehemence fury.

By: Captain Nemo on 7/19/12 at 9:25

A slacker shaking Pope that will be something to see and the pot on a chain could have wacky weed in it. Just a thought!

By: gdiafante on 7/19/12 at 9:27

...the pot on a chain could have wacky weed in it...

That's a good reason to convert.

By: dargent7 on 7/19/12 at 9:28

Shea Weber signed a 14 year, $106. million contract w/ the Flyers?
What?
Reminds me of Albert "Fat Slob" Haynesworth who got a $100. million contract from the Bengals. Played 3 downs, then collapsed.
Couldn't run the 40' splits w/o having to take a shit.
And, meanwhile, Obama is bustin' his hump for America.
For a measley $400,000. a year.

By: Captain Nemo on 7/19/12 at 9:29

In Tennessee the chasms is a rampant yogi.

By: gdiafante on 7/19/12 at 9:30

No, he signed an offer sheet. He's a restricted free agent so Nashville can match.

By: Captain Nemo on 7/19/12 at 9:32

I think d7’s agreeing with yogi, is a good reason not to have beer in the morning.

Got to go now.

By: slacker on 7/19/12 at 9:33

Most of the Generals who fought in the Mexican-American war, thought it was an unjustified engagement. But ''Manifest Destiny'' being in full bloom, things might have turned out better if the US had annexed Mexico as a state.

By: slacker on 7/19/12 at 9:38

Of course the Mexicans might disagree. How in hell did I get on this?
Note to self: adjust meds.

By: gdiafante on 7/19/12 at 9:46

Of course the Mexicans might disagree

I don't know, let's go down to Nolensville Road and ask them...

A-bing...a-bada-boom...

By: slacker on 7/19/12 at 9:49

Yes.. you're right gdiafante. They annexed the US instead.. brilliant.

By: bfra on 7/19/12 at 10:03

gdiafante - Not just Nolensville Rd., try LaVergne, Smyrna, Murfreesboro and many other areas south.

By: BenDover on 7/19/12 at 10:12

I didn't say open boarders. I said adjust guest worker to address the reality of the situation.

By: bfra on 7/19/12 at 10:20

By: BenDover on 7/19/12 at 10:00

Opening the border with Mexico via guest worker is probably our best hope
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That is already in force, so how you open it any more?

By: slacker on 7/19/12 at 10:20

I started the open borders thing Ben. Its my conspiracy of the day.
I think in the near future, Hispanic politicians will rule the entire southwest, and there will be open borders with Mexico or worse.

By: slacker on 7/19/12 at 10:24

And I will be Pope. Better get on my good side, or I'll excommunicate the lot of ya.. bejesus.

By: BenDover on 7/19/12 at 10:32

We have legal guest workers in the country from Mexico under the existing visa system representing about 1,000,000 workers here legally.

I'm saying we should create a Guest Worker program that addresses the reality of the 10s of millions of undocumented people already here and others coming over here trying to make a better life for their families.

By: Beernazi on 7/19/12 at 10:34

We didn't really have a problem with illegal immigration until we tightened the borders. It used to be that Mexicans came to work seasonally and returned home. With the threat of a closed border, they came over en mass for fear of being cut off from their seasonal work, which kept their families fed.

By: yogiman on 7/19/12 at 10:35

Lithium doesn't seem to work on you, slacker. Try baby aspirin.

By: slacker on 7/19/12 at 10:40

nazi, I disagree. You're correct about seasonal work, fruit picking, etc. But when companies like Gaylord, in Nashville's case, started bringing them in to work in hotels, and plants, the rush was on.

By: yogiman on 7/19/12 at 10:42

WE used to have a guest worker program decades ago, BenDover. Many Mexicans came to the US as seasonal workers and went back home after they finished their job.

And many workers on the border cities lived in Mexico and worked in the US city across the border. Nothing was thought about it back then.

But then the "giveaway" program was put into action. So why go back home if you can get paid for doing nothing?

By: Beernazi on 7/19/12 at 10:43

slacker, the influx began right after 9/11 when the fear of a closed border caused fear of losing their only means of income. Once they came over, large busineses such as Gaylord started exploiting them for cheap labor.

By: Beernazi on 7/19/12 at 10:45

Large corporations lobby the government to turn a blind eye so there is no enforcement of the laws regarding hiring illegal immigrants. Our government has dropped the ball and now we have quite a mess to figure out.

By: slacker on 7/19/12 at 10:48

nazi, the Opryland hotel brought them in before 9/11. They couldn't find cheap labor, after opening the hotel. They boarded them in a motel on Murfreesboro Rd. That started it in Nashville.

By: bfra on 7/19/12 at 10:52

Beernazi - I completely agree with you that our government has dropped the ball & IMO they are not trying to figure the mess out. Politicians today (most of them) are in it for the money.

By: Beernazi on 7/19/12 at 10:53

I definitely agree with you on that, bfra!

By: Beernazi on 7/19/12 at 10:54

And yet we now give corporations "personhood"???? That needs to be repealed!

By: global_citizen on 7/19/12 at 11:02

Apparently we don't disagree on everything, gdiafarte. "Fastchecker" and "Snopes" are like twins in their postings of Obama. All positive. None negative.

It's hardly the fault of Snopes and Factcheck that conservatives circulate such a volume of misinformation that needs to be debunked.

If it gives the appearance that they're biased in favor of Obama, perhaps it's because conservatives are so biased against him. The truth amongst a barrage of lies might look like favoritism to you, but that's a matter of warped perspective.

By: Beernazi on 7/19/12 at 11:05

Excellent point, global!

By: slacker on 7/19/12 at 11:06

Regardless.. they're here and they're not gonna leave. Both parties let it happen. The Mexicans are the only people that will take a manual labor job. Our workers are on the govt. teat, much easier than work. I don't blame them.

By: Beernazi on 7/19/12 at 11:09

I completely agree with you on that, slacker.

By: slacker on 7/19/12 at 11:22

Moving on to NCAA rule change's. To avoid injuries, Soccer will replace football.
Boxing will be replaced by country line dancing.
Mixed-Martial-Arts will be replaced by ''Bum'' fights.

By: brrrrk on 7/19/12 at 11:28

BenDover said

"We have legal guest workers in the country from Mexico under the existing visa system representing about 1,000,000 workers here legally.

I'm saying we should create a Guest Worker program that addresses the reality of the 10s of millions of undocumented people already here and others coming over here trying to make a better life for their families."

True enough, we've had a guest worker program in this country specifically for migratory agricultural work for some time. I remember as a kid seeing immigrant workers in the apple orchards in Pa picking apples during the heavy harvest season. And when the harvest was over, the immigrants either returned home or moved on the the next agricultural job. The real change came about when non-seasonal employers decided to illegally take advantage of the cheap labor that immigrants provided to fill year round permanent jobs. As I've always said, we don't have an illegal immigrant problem; we have an illegal employer problem. Go after the employers, and the illegal immigrant issue will go away.

By: slacker on 7/19/12 at 11:29

s/h/a.. Hockey will also be replaced by ''Bum'' fights.

By: gdiafante on 7/19/12 at 11:35

The Mexicans are the only people that will take a manual labor job. Our workers are on the govt. teat, much easier than work. I don't blame them.

It all goes back to cheap labor. Until the rest of the world institutes their own labor laws that require a minimum living wage, or we repeal 100 years of our own labor laws, we cannot compete. It's that simple.

By: dargent7 on 7/19/12 at 11:36

You guys should spend some time in San Diego.
For whatever goddamn reason, Egyptians favor Tennessee.
The Mexican population here is quite large.
But in San Diego, from Imperial Beach all the way up to Oceanside are 100% Latino.
Pick strawberries, avocados, berries....$4.00 an hour, CASH.
Us Detroiter's just pich a tent where whomever let's us and doesn't call the cops.

By: gdiafante on 7/19/12 at 11:36

Hockey will also be replaced by ''Bum'' fights.

You Maniacs! Ah, damn you! God damn you all to hell!

By: brrrrk on 7/19/12 at 11:39

slacker said

"Regardless.. they're here and they're not gonna leave. Both parties let it happen. The Mexicans are the only people that will take a manual labor job. Our workers are on the govt. teat, much easier than work. I don't blame them."

Mark Twain once said, "I'd rather sit and think all day for nothing rather than dig a ditch for 10 dollars a day" (which in Twain's day was a sizable amount of cash).... My point, just because someone works with their back all day doesn't mean that they don't deserve a living and fair wage. There's no sin in sweating for a living.... and there's no moral justification for looking down ones nose at those who do. Just curious Slacker, when's the last time you broke a sweat for a living?

By: dargent7 on 7/19/12 at 11:40

Want an American to pick avocados in 75 degree heat (!)....
$12.00 an hour, full medical, dental, optical, vacation pay, 401k, maternity/ family leave.
Otherwise, it's Sianora Muchascho.

By: slacker on 7/19/12 at 11:41

Guest worker program? They don't need no stinkin' guest worker program!

By: brrrrk on 7/19/12 at 11:43

gdiafante said

"It all goes back to cheap labor. Until the rest of the world institutes their own labor laws that require a minimum living wage, or we repeal 100 years of our own labor laws, we cannot compete. It's that simple."

I disagree. Americans have always had a higher standard of living then most other countries.... and yet up until the past 20 to 30 years we've been able to complete without a problem. It's all about trade agreements......

By: gdiafante on 7/19/12 at 11:52

As long as Republicans can filibuster, and are proponents of the free market myth, that isn't an option, brrrrk.

By: slacker on 7/19/12 at 11:53

brrrrk.. other than when I was a wee lad, I've never done any hard labor.
I took risks.. lots of risks, and never looked down my nose at anyone.
Other than short people of course. They really have no reason to live.

By: gdiafante on 7/19/12 at 11:55

I did hard labor enough to know I didn't want to do hard labor the rest of my life. Ironically, I went from being a roofer to joining the Marines...I think I probably could've gotten an office job...

By: yogiman on 7/19/12 at 12:00

brrrrk,

Didn't that cheap labor effect start under Bill Clinton?