Up for Debate: Legislature gears up for session

Monday, January 7, 2013 at 3:13am

As the General Assembly heads back to work, do you think a wine in grocery store bill will/should pass? What do you think of the prospective legislation on guns-in-lots, TennCare expansion, school vouchers, charters, etc.? Which of these are the likeliest to pass, and what else should our state legislature be focused on?

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By: Ask01 on 1/7/13 at 4:30

As the legislature head back to session, (I am loathe to call what they do work,) I suspect the only legislation which will occupy their hummingbird like attention will have to do with guns, and any other issue with emotional appeal which generates headlines and little real action.

Wine in grocery stores should pass. I believe there is tremendous support for the measure, and more importantly, the monopoly exercised by the state liquor lobby needs to be broken, perhaps as a start to dismatling other lobbying tools.

All of the issues cited need thoughful, sober, (a difficult proposition for some legislators) and careful consideration and discussion. Unlike most of the issues distracting our elected employees, I would hope to see them actually address important issues instead of some of the trivial nonsense which usually holds their attentions.

Given their track record and the dismal IQ level I perceive from the current bumper crop of bumpkins (a tip of the hat to Mike Burch) I have little hope for a productive session, hoping instead they at least do no harm.

By: Captain Nemo on 1/7/13 at 4:47

I can see the possibility that there could be a carry your gun to bed. If wife refuses he can shoot her, legally.

By: Captain Nemo on 1/7/13 at 4:58

“People like rasputin who worship only themselves get a slick, polished look -- like monuments. Too bad they had to go so soon.”
Vanna Bonta

By: yogiman on 1/7/13 at 7:05

"Government is not the solution, Government is the problem". - Ronald Reagan

Wine in a grocery store is not the biggest problem our state legislature has today. They should be looking into the situations other states are having.

There's an Islamic community sitting on 80 acres of land [as a neighbor] of Hancock NY with their own "mayor" and "council members" and I understand they are just one among many over our nation.

www.patriotaction.net/forum/topic/show?id=2600775%3ATopic%3A6048952&xgs=1xg_source=msg_share_topic/ and follow through with


Consider strongly; Barry is their boy.

By: Loner on 1/7/13 at 8:59

Good morning, Nashville.

It's a safe bet that ensconced lobbies, like the liquor store owners, will retain their sweetheart deals with the state government...corruption runs wide and deep in the Volunteer State.

As for meaningful reform or fair & effective governance, forget about it; too many Tea-Baggers are members of the TN legislature, mucking up the works...strutting and grandstanding before their slack-jawed base of support.

One can expect more delusional and outright silly stuff, as we have seen in the past ....don't expect anything new, these are reactionary A-holes and they will behave as such.

By: BenDover on 1/7/13 at 9:04

Wine in Grocery stores... 'yes'

Eliminate restricting liquor stores to selling only liquor and wine... 'yes'

Call it the consumer friendly act of 2013

By: BenDover on 1/7/13 at 9:06

And throw in a drive-thru allowance too while we're at it.

By: Loner on 1/7/13 at 9:35

A Drive-Thru window for dispensing cocktails & brewskis would be nice, Ben...a Drive-Thru window dispensing Cannabis would also be nice....the MADD mothers would soil themselves in a defecating spasm, if such things were allowed....no, we gotta restrain ourselves, "for the cheeeldren's sake."

Professional zealots seeking a nanny-state society are constantly patrolling the various legislatures across the fruited plain, making sure that we are kept safe....from ourselves.....they got a hammer-lock on commitment, just ask them.

By: yogiman on 1/7/13 at 9:46

Is Hancock NY near you, Loner? I've read where they have formed a Islamic town in the outskirts with their own mayor and council. I understand there's been 35 such "towns" spread over the US.

By: Loner on 1/7/13 at 9:47

Speaking of zealots and zealotry, today is Protest Monday; once again, I'll be manning the signage 3-4 pm EST. HOLY WARS SUCK.

I'm going on a bus trip to Albany on Wednesday...a protest bus trip...we are protesting Gov. Cuomo's sweetheart dealings with the hydro-frackers....they are fracking now and want to expand the operation, even though this process contaminates the aquifer and the gas produced is for export sale.

I composed this text, for my anti-fracking signage: IS CUOMO FRACKING LOCO?

I gotta leave this NCP board early today, to get the signs made...I will put that text on 11x17 bright yellow card stock and laminate it...cost is about $2.50 per sign...I'll mount two, back to back, on a cardboard tube "pole" and use two "sandwich board" style, one on my chest, one on my back...this technique works very well.

By: slacker on 1/7/13 at 9:50

Loner.. if those MADD mothers had a couple of drinks, they might loosen and stop being such hard arses.

By: budlight on 1/7/13 at 9:52

Yogi, In Antioch on Old Franklin Road, there is a relatively new Muslim graveyard and funeral home. It was never presented to the neighborhood that it was being "built" or that a residential home was being converted to a business. After all, a funeral home is a business. You are forgetting that Muslims apparently are exempt from our laws, locally, state-wide and nationally.

You can google funeral home old franklin road antioch to see it.

By: Captain Nemo on 1/7/13 at 9:56

Ben the problem with drive-thru is the driver has already been drinking, the-thru could be all the way thru. :-)

By: BenDover on 1/7/13 at 9:56

http://fracknation.com/ offers the counter-points against the Matt Damon propaganda piece, loner.

By: Captain Nemo on 1/7/13 at 9:57

Speaking of mad.....

By: Loner on 1/7/13 at 10:01

Bud doesn't want Muslims to live here or be buried here, in the USA....the Nazis tried to make Germany, "Judenfrei"....(Jew-free)....patriotic nationalist folks, like Budlight, would prefer an America that is "Muslimfrei".

The Muslim is the new Jew?.....it's now OK to openly hate a billion and a half human beings, because they are Muslims?....Damn, but holy war truly sucks. It sucks the reason out of the reasonable, the sense out of the sensible and the compassion out of the compassionate.....and they suck time, troops and treasure....like an ever-growing black-hole of hate....and we are in its gravitational pull.

By: Loner on 1/7/13 at 10:15

Ben Dover has been misled on the fracking issue too....like everyone else, he looks for evidence to back up his pre-conceived position. For right-wingers, each and every environmental issue is totally bogus and dismissed as "leftist propaganda"...same goes for the hydro-fracking issue.

The Energy lobby is one of the most powerful in Washington and the state governments are also heavily influenced by this special interest group. The conservationists and other eco-friendly group's combined power is miniscule, by comparison.

The right-wing and Christian media are both environmentally unfriendly. Why is that? It's because investors know that environmental regulations hinder unbridled capitalism and the Jesus freaks think that the earth is going to be destroyed by God, not by mankind....(so it is written)....so, they reason, why worry about the health of the planet?

As we know, money talks....and folks like Ben are listening to and regurgitating the rhetoric of the modern-day robber barons and the Jesus freaks.

By: Eye Nose & Now ... on 1/7/13 at 10:28

It early in morning on Mon and yogaman already at it, tells truth about Muslims
and every body else-- just about-- has to rush to tell lies to cover for Muslims, i think
I just ignore yogiman and may be he behaves self rest of week and then he stops
all the lieing on C P when he stop tells truth on CP

By: BenDover on 1/7/13 at 10:44

I'm tremendously environmentally friendly loner. As I've noted before I've been a Mother Earth News subscriber since I was a teenager.

The fact is though is that environmentalism is not and should not be defined as knee-jerk a war on energy because the biggest friend to the environment is economic prosperity that gives us the luxury to even contemplate our relationship with Mother Earth.

All of the 'evidence' against fracking has existed prior to our utilization of this technique of releasing this fossil energy and the simple fact is that it is the environmental movement that exhibits zealotry in this matter, not me.

By: yogiman on 1/7/13 at 10:57

Well, ENN, as one who seems to be offended by the truth, you must be a Muslim buddy of Barry. Is that true? You're sure imposing that thought to me.

You need to quit loving the liars and start loving the truth. I won't quit telling the truth until I die when I can't "talk" any more.

By: Eye Nose & Now ... on 1/7/13 at 11:04

See yogi still at it

By: yogiman on 1/7/13 at 11:05

I read a good article on they way our "guvmunt" is betraying us. He suggests we create a new party to take over the Republican branch.

www.wnd.com/michael-savage-time-for-a-nationist-party/ stating we need someone to step in as the leader because the Tea Party doesn't have one leader up front. It's just a bunch of American loving citizens when we need a leader to oppose Barack Obama's leadership of the "Democrat" party even though he's a known Muslim.

By: Loner on 1/7/13 at 11:11

Ben says, "...the biggest friend to the environment is economic prosperity that gives us the luxury to even contemplate our relationship with Mother Earth."

Is that right? The native Americans were excellent stewards of the Western Hemisphere for about 20,000 years....then white men, capitalism, Christianity, "prosperity", African Negro slavery, industrialization, deforestation, strip-mining and agribusiness came to the New World...in less than 500 years, European invaders and their posterity have caused more man-made environmental degradation than occurred over the previous 20,000 years.

Obviously, the original human populations in the Western Hemisphere had a deep and loving relationship with Mother Nature, based upon respect. Guys like Ben Dover, on the other hand, argue that Mother Nature can take a hit.....and that the environmentalist whackos are simply duped alarmists.

By: Loner on 1/7/13 at 11:31

Ben, take an excursion to your local landfill...spend an hour or so watching the loads of stuff that "economic prosperity" generated and now is being buried...lots of single-service waste, my friend...."economic prosperity" is not the solution, it's a big part of the problem.

In hell-hole places like Liberia, they don't bury the refuse, folks live in it and they "mine" it for salvageable items....the lack of economic prosperity causes folks to scrap for a living....we in the states have the luxury of just burying the unwanted used stuff and making new stuff....the landfills are out of sight and out of mind....and that's just the way that the capitalists like it....we are a self-bullshitizing people.

Mother Nature can only take so much abuse, before she goes into her self-defense mode...when that happens, even Homo sapiens will feel her wrath.....we claim that we really don't wanna mess with Mother Nature...but the truth is, we are raping the old lady.

By: Loner on 1/7/13 at 11:33

Slacker called it....EN&N is using Redneck Ebonics. We got a real menagerie of trolls here....birthers, racists, dumbshitz & ignoramuses....diversity is good.

By: Eye Nose & Now ... on 1/7/13 at 11:37

good thing about yogiman is he don't call me names like other meanspearit
republicans call me. yogiman not meanspearit type republican--- he just
the other type--- Politic ignant-- a higher class than meanspearit ones

By: Loner on 1/7/13 at 11:43

Fracking is proceeding, even though the dangers are well known and well documented....why? Could it be that money talks...and lawmakers listen to the voice of special interest money?

I'd bet that the citizens of Moore county, TN, where they make Jack Daniels whiskey, would not be in favor of fracking up their aquifer, so that the natural gas produced could be exported....with fracking it's a Not In My Back Yard issue (NIMBY)....frack elsewhere, but not HERE.

A little Frack in your Jack, Ben Dover? The extra octane in a fracked Jack might enhance its sales appeal?

By: Loner on 1/7/13 at 11:50

They won't be fracking up in the state of Maine, where the Poland Spring bottled water comes from....unless Exxon Mobil buys Poland Spring....and the Maine legislature....the ruined aquifer would make an excellent base for Exxon-Mobil brand charcoal lighter fluid.....a marketable by-product of fracking the aquifer...hey, that's the price of economic prosperity...or so they tell me....and flaming faucets are no biggie.

By: slacker on 1/7/13 at 11:56

Loner, isn't the same method used in oil drilling?

By: Captain Nemo on 1/7/13 at 12:01

The word Fracking is a softer word for rapeing the land.

By: Loner on 1/7/13 at 12:10

Slack: I think that some old, depleted, oil wells are being fracked, to squeeze out the last remaining crude oil, or they are using something similar to hydro-fracking on these "spent" wells. They're squeezing Mother Nature for every last drop of black gold.

In the Empire State, the frackers are lusting after the Finger Lakes wine region, for aquifer-threatening energy exploitation....this is plumb loco....hence my signage.

Giant wind-driven electricity generators are popping up across the Southern Tier of NY....I think that's the way to go in New York state...we have lots of wind up here....especially in the capital district....all kinds of blowhard zealotry is generated in Albany, NY...if political BS was combustible, we could power the state with just that.....but the particulate emissions would be quite toxic, I suppose.

By: budlight on 1/7/13 at 12:18

: Loner on 1/7/13 at 10:01
Bud doesn't want Muslims to live here or be buried here, in the USA....the Nazis tried to make Germany, "Judenfrei"....(Jew-free)....patriotic nationalist folks, like Budlight, would prefer an America that is "Muslimfrei"

You are assumptive and incorrect. What I do not want is people being able to "build" in their back yards without going through proper local and state regulations. If I want to put a grave yard in my back yard, there are proper procedures to follow. They apparently didn't have to because usually when someone is building or re-building in a neighborhood, and it impacts the neighborhood, there are meetings announced to discuss it.

What part of that process do you not understand Loner. I don't care what religion or nationality they are, they should follow the rules of American law. Actually, they are in America now, so that would make sense to law abiding citizens.

By: yogiman on 1/7/13 at 12:40

I'm afraid I must disagree with you, ENN.

You're showing (and proving) your political ignorance with your fellow posters on this site while I'm trying to educate you on political facts.

I know... I know, it's hard to educate an idiot.

By: pswindle on 1/7/13 at 12:57

Since the GOP has taken total control of the Legisltive Branch, they have made the silliest policies. They only deal with the thinking of the little brain. All of these policies that deal with taking away ones rights are silly and a waste of time. When the democratics wake up and start fighting again, we will get some of the rights back. I'm so tired of guns, wine, vouchers and etc. as the topic of this Legislative Branch, do sometnhing useful. But stay our of our bedrooms and lives. I don't want to hear any policy about trying to limit abortion. Women have had this rigjht for many, may years, the Supreme Court has spoken. If this is the best that the GOP can do, TN is and will remain a laughting stock of the nation.

By: yogiman on 1/7/13 at 1:54

If Tennessee is a laughing stock of the nation, why are so many "outsiders" moving here, pswindle? If I could think of a better place to live, I'd move there... as long as it wasn't close to DC.

By: dargent7 on 1/7/13 at 2:03

Why, yogiman?
Because at every turn the state legislature and morons like yourself spew jibberish and pass "laws" taking the lower 48 to the 50's.
The Music City Convention Center is a stroke of genius on Dean's and Haslam's part.
It will bring in millions to the local economy.
But, then shooting yourselves in the collective feet, you pass laws allowing guns in bars.
How about in Convention Centers? In the employee parking lots?
Can the NRA carry weapons at their convention in 2014? Sell guns and assault weapons in the parking lot w/o a backround check?
Think about it.

By: dargent7 on 1/7/13 at 2:13

re: Wine in groceries.
You'll all be pleased to know California allows wine sales in all groceries, Trader Joe's,( Two Buck Chuck), Safeways, Lucky's, 7-11, all mom and pops.
Sales start at 6:00am and conclude at 2:00pm. Seven days a week.
All Holidays have liquor sales.
There's none of this blatant b.s. about restrictions, lobbies, and exclusivity.
CA is FOR THE PEOPLE. Not who knows who, payoffs, and what favors are owed.
Oh, and the 49ers play the Packers this Saturday.
The Titans suck, too.

By: budlight on 1/7/13 at 2:37

Pswindle said " But stay our of our bedrooms and lives. I don't want to hear any policy about trying to limit abortion. Women have had this rigjht for many, may years, the Supreme Court has spoken"

Swindle, can you clarify a point for me, please? In the Lacy Peterson (husband Scott murdered her) case, she was 8 months pregnant. When he killed her, the baby died. California charged him with 2 murders: Lacy and the unborn child. Does that sound right to you? Shouldn't the NOW have stepped up and defended him against being charged for killing a fetus? Especially since the Supreme Court and others say that it is not a real person until AFTER it comes out of the uterus? Just curious on what your take is on that question?

He was tried and convicted of both murders.

By: dargent7 on 1/7/13 at 3:24

Bud: The anniversary of Roe v. Wade is upon us. 1974? Thereabouts.
In the Scott Peterson case, he was found guilty of killing Lacey. His unborn son was icing on his birthday cake.
One murder with premeditation is life in prison w/o parole in CA.
Stacking the deck adding another death to a life sentence is irrelevant.
Abortion at 3-5 weeks to even the 3rd trimester isn't murder according to SCOTUS.

By: yogiman on 1/7/13 at 6:33


You have your ideas on every issue; so please let me have mine. After all, I do think differently than you. So may I ask; can you name one mass murder incident where the murderer was a law abiding citizen? Can you name one incident where the murderer wasn't a person with a mental problem on a medicine for such condition? I didn't think so. So can you explain your reason why you think no one should be allowed to own a gun?

By: budlight on 1/7/13 at 9:51

Scott Peterson was convicted of first degree murder in the death of his wife and second degree MURDER in the death of his unborn child.
I don't care about Roe v. Wade. Abortion is murder.

By: pswindle on 1/7/13 at 10:23

Who o is going to take care of the malformed and other problems that the average parent cannot take care of? Go visit a place and have yoiur eyes opened. I have seen families torn apart with problems without a solution. Abortion, you have no idea what the hell you are talkling about.

By: Loner on 1/7/13 at 11:30

Late night wrap-up...less than one full page of comments today...the topic wasn't so hot.

Got my protesting gig done for the day...we had five protesters there on Monday....it was windy and cold.

But, no matter what, here at the NCP, we have our usual trolling...this was once an excellent, leading edge type site, back in 2004...it has been quite reduced since then....the NCP never fully recovered from the damage done by Clint Brewer....but, in spite of its shortcomings, this site is still great for its freedom of speech aspect....posts are relatively unfiltered and there is no time delay between submission and posting....and it does not require a Facebook account.

Actually, I love this site....I may live 800 miles from Nashville, but I think that I may know more about Music City's political machinations than I do about those in Rochester or Buffalo...Marshall McLuhan was prophetic, the global village is now a fact....and George Orwell was also prophetic, we have word and thought filters on most of the online sites. You gain some. You lose some.

The NCP is cool....long live the Nashville City Paper.

By: budlight on 1/8/13 at 7:51

By: pswindle on 1/7/13 at 10:23
Who o is going to take care of the malformed and other problems that the average parent cannot take care of? Go visit a place and have yoiur eyes opened. I have seen families torn apart with problems without a solution. Abortion, you have no idea what the hell you are talkling about.

What is the percentage of children who are born "malformed and other problems" which you speak of?

Swindle, did your mother believe in abortion? How many of your siblings were aborted? I have seen families with perfectly formed children torn apart also. And I have close friends who have daughters, age 24 and 35, who are what you call "malformed". One of them is in a group home; she's well cared for and loved by her parents and the people in the home. The other young woman lives at home and her mother and father consider her a blessing - not the curse that you think she is.

There are people walking around with perfect looking bodies and yet their minds are twisted and malformed and they are performing such acts as Columbine, Connecticut, Aurora, CO., and Fort Hood. How do you propose we deal with those people? Would the world be better off if all of those people had been aborted? Where do you draw the line?

I know what I'm talking about. At 19, my best friend aborted her child. After that she was unable to conceive. She subsequently killed herself over the "mistake" she had made by aborting her child. So you see, my experience with abortion has been horrific. Everyone who loved her (Susan) was hurt by the fact that she could not live with herself after killing a child.

By: budlight on 1/8/13 at 7:56

One other thing Swindle: If people who are about to embark on a "sexual experience" were to think things through, the world might be a better place. Having casual sex without protection does produce results such as pregnancy. There are consequences to every action. So if the consequence is that one of the two people engaging in casual sex will get pregnant, then that one who can get pregnant might be better served if she either abstained or used protection.

And don't tell me about protection not working. Most people who use contraception properly will be protected. The consequences of unprotected sex is usually an std or pregnancy. Both should be taken seriously.