Up for Debate: Manning Mania descends on Nashville

Thursday, March 15, 2012 at 1:36am

Could Peyton Manning really end up a Titan? Should he? Would that be good or bad for Jake Locker — not to mention Matt Hasselbeck?

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By: dargent7 on 3/15/12 at 5:03

At 37, he's long in the tooth. 3 neck surguries and from what I know, a QB has to be able to turn his head and rotate it like an owl.
Will bring in more people at the gate, for sure.
May have 2-3 more years still in him.
Bud "89" Adams wants him real bad.
But, the Titans are losing everyone in the 5 years I've been here since he's a skin-flint.
Collins, Young, Hanesworth, Vanden Bosch, now Finneginn...the list is endless.
The Colts gave Manning $90. million just 2 years ago, and he couldn't play one down since.
Either he's healthy now, or not. Neck vertebre fused to your spine don't heal.

By: gdiafante on 3/15/12 at 5:15

Who would he throw to? Who's on defense? Does anyone really think the Titans are one player away from a Super Bowl? Other than the fact that he went to UT, there is no good reason for him to sign with the Titans...unless it is just about the money.

I have to laugh at sports talk radio in Nashville though...talk about freaking out...104.5 is the WORST...the guys on that show are so full of it anyway, but add in all this ridiculous hype...at least 102.5 did break from "Petyonwatch 2012" to discuss March Madness and the Preds.

What's quietly being missed by everyone is that A-Rad is about to return from Russia, which puts the Preds as a very strong Stanley Cup contender, if not the favorite. They're closer to a championship than the Titans...with Manning or not.

By: Loner on 3/15/12 at 5:34

Good morning, Nashville!

Today's burning questions: Could Peyton Manning really end up a Titan? Should he? Would that be good or bad for Jake Locker — not to mention Matt Hasselbeck?

I suppose that it could happen; whether or not it should happen is not for me to say. Peyton would make a fine QB coach; IMO, his championship playing days are over...the man is damaged goods and too stupid to realize it, or too consumed with sibling rivalry to do what's right for his own body.

Like they say, football is a team sport; the addition of one over-the-hill super star will not magically transform the Titans or any mediocre team into Super Bowl material.

By: dargent7 on 3/15/12 at 5:35

Still gotta get past the Red Wings, which as history has shown, can't.

By: gdiafante on 3/15/12 at 5:50

All they have to do, Darge, is get the 4th seed as Detroit can't win on the road. I believe they can pull even in points with a win tonight.

These aren't your daddy's Predators...

By: Loner on 3/15/12 at 5:51

Darge claims that the owner of the Titans is a "skinflint"....Bud is one of the "Tight Ones"?

Tight with a buck, tightwad owners always seem to end up with lower wrung teams....or is that a myth? The Green Bay packers are a municipally-owned franchise; their players are not the highest paid in the NFL...but the Packers are always competitive.....go figure.

As for pro-hockey...I don't give much of a puck about watching grown men in skates with sticks, barnyard wrestling on ice. Last time I watched a hockey game I turned the channel and said, "Enough of this madness!" But that's just my personal preference....no offense meant to any hockey lovers.....no defense meant either.

By: gdiafante on 3/15/12 at 5:54

I disagree, Loner. I don't think anyone would consider him "over the hill". Before the injury he was regarded as the best in the game. I'm sure he'll be a bit rusty, as was Brady after he missed an entire season due to injury, but he'll be fine...if he's healthy.

Now, he may be in denial about his injury, but until he takes a snap and gets hit, no one will know, including Peyton. IMO, teams that are close, like Denver, should take a chance. If his injury is not an issue, they're instant SB favorites.

By: gdiafante on 3/15/12 at 5:56

Loner, you should care, the Sabres are making some noise...watched them play the Avs last night...they have the look of a team that's about to make a run and knock off a few teams. Lindy Ruff is a class act. You should be proud of your team.

By: Loner on 3/15/12 at 6:19

Yeah, Gd, you are right...we have the NHL Buffalo Sabres, who are almost always in the running and we have an AHL team in Rochester, the Rochester Amerks...a very good "farm team".

I married a woman from Massena, NY....they are born wearing skates up there...her brothers were excellent HS hockey players....me, I can go forward, left, right and stop on the ice....slowly and with trepidation...I grew up in Western, not Northern NY....a big difference in weather and culture....we learned to swim...folks in Massena learned to skate.

By: BenDover on 3/15/12 at 6:34

Adams wouldn't let the head coach run the offense... do you think he's really going to turn it over the the QB? Manning would be an idiot to come to Tennessee if he really wants another super-bowl ring. We'll be rebuilding for the next 5 years.

By: Kosh III on 3/15/12 at 6:34

I'm so glad all the serious issues have been solved so that we can focus on the "bread and circuses."

No rural unemployment of 15-20%, no voter suppression, gay citiizens finally have equal rights, we shut down our global Imperium and Rick Santorum and Stacey Campfield ran off to Canada to elope.

By: BenDover on 3/15/12 at 6:36

Hockey has 3 periods. What the heck is up with that? Southerners know you've got to have symmetry in your sports..

By: dargent7 on 3/15/12 at 6:39

"3 periods"...Rick Sanitarium will do away with that, if elected. Too sexual.

By: gdiafante on 3/15/12 at 6:40

Santorum is a hockey puck.

-Don Rickles

By: Loner on 3/15/12 at 6:57

Kosh, the panem et circum stuff is popular and less controversial than the more serious topics of the day...it's a soothing distraction from the utter madness going on all around us.

Right on , Darge, three periods is too sexual...and "puck" rhymes with the "F" word....the "blue line" sounds like a Democratic deal...we'll have to replace it with the "red line"....Saint Richard will fix all that.....and tilt the rinks to suit the home teams.

By: Loner on 3/15/12 at 7:03

New York has never had much impact on a GOP primary race in the past...that could change this year. I hope that the GOP gaggle of ganders comes to Rochester or Buffalo...I'll attend the rally and put the Israeli abortion mill question to those right-to-life Zionists.

Planned Parenthood cannot get a dime in federal monies for abortion services....but Israel gets over 3 billion in US aid and they abort 50,000 fetuses annually in the Jewish State...how can this be?

None of the candidates is prepared to answer that question...it has never been raised in polite company in America.

By: Rasputin72 on 3/15/12 at 7:15

I had hoped there would be a question involving the struggle between the underclass and medocre versus the productive class. I think in politics they call it the Republicans versus the Democrats. Oh well, perhaps tomorrow.

In the meantime Peyton Manning probably thinks he has one last hurrah to stick it up the Indy owners behind. He may want to come to the Titans but there will be no last hurrah at this franchise. 50 years and one Super Bowl is the legacy of a Bud Adams franchise.

By: dargent7 on 3/15/12 at 7:23

re: Don Rickels. Growing up, as poor white child in Detroit, I always loved it when he was on Johnny Carson. It wouldn't be more than 5 seconds after he came on before he told Ed, ""the home's looking for you", and then tell Johnny, " Your 3rd wife is having an affair with a black matador".
Ah, the good old days.

By: Loner on 3/15/12 at 7:26

I've had three comments denied and a couple of comments removed at this CNN site:


It's the Helen Thomas effect....I dared to question the US-Israel special relationship and its relationship to Santorum and the GOP. An Israeli troll soon came online and we got into it...the Israeli trolls use the Disqus follow feature to dog my footsteps across the internet...they gotta be on the Mossad's payroll...I guess I should be flattered at the constant 24/7 attention that these Israelis pay to my posts. They must take me seriously....further evidence of their mass hysteria.

I have been banned on the Jerusalem Post....Haartez and Ynet post a small fraction of what I submit there...the Israeli media are state-controlled. The Washington Post and CNN are as bad as any Israeli site for censoring unpopular views.

I appreciate the NCP and it's policy of openness and tolerance of unpopular views.

By: Loner on 3/15/12 at 7:30

Yeah, Rickles...Mister Warmth...his schtick consisted of bitching about everything and everyone with sarcastic mockery...every society needs one of those guys....in some societies, they cut out the tongues of guys like that....Santorum would move the USA in that general direction.

By: Loner on 3/15/12 at 7:38

Rasp, the "unproductive class" produces jobs....somebody has to reach out to the disadvantaged..."...there's gold in them thar hillbillies"....If we stopped the outreach, we'd have massive lay-offs....consumer spending would plummet...rents would go unpaid....Air Jordan athletic shoes would sit on the shelves....Cadillac Escalade sales would drop off the charts...panic would soon set in.....riots, looting and anarchy....don't you agree?

By: gdiafante on 3/15/12 at 7:40

I wonder what Rasputin thought about the storming of the Bastille? That must be his worst nightmare.

By: Mike Burch on 3/15/12 at 7:47

If anyone has the work ethic to come back, it's Peyton Manning. And he would be a great tutor and example to Jake Locker.

I would love to see the Titans take a chance on Peyton Manning, one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time, and a great role model to boot. His ties to Tennessee, his legions of orange-blooded Tennessee fans, and the Titan's offensive line which doesn't give up many sacks, could all be factors in his decision. And what about having Kenny Britt, Jared Carter and Chris Johnson on the same team?

Bud Adams isn't getting any younger and if he wants to win a Superbowl this may be his chance to shake things up.

Go Titans!

By: BenDover on 3/15/12 at 7:58

Raspy has problems with shades of gray it seems. Maybe a conservative who has never been poor? Having been poor myself to the point of selling plasma for gas money to get to and from work I've adopted a far less harsh tone in my conservatism.

I grew up a liberal because that's my personality. I really care about people. But I reason now that fiscal conservatism is the best in the long term for even those at the bottom of the income spectrum (a debate played out on this forum most every day).

I know, though, that some people are in tough situations through no fault of their own (not to say that many others didn' t fully earn their hardship).

I have been one pink-slip away from the streets myself in my life and since, in my mind, current government policy has contributed greatly to our unemployment woes right now. We owe some obligation to offer a hand up from the collective to those harmed by it.

Moreover I know myself well enough to know I'm simply a breakdown away from living in the streets myself so as they say, there but for the grace of God go I.

By: gdiafante on 3/15/12 at 8:07

Well said, Ben. And I agree with most of it. The older I get, the more of a fiscal Conservative I become...I think most people do, it's natural.

I do lean strongly left socially, though. And I also understand the need for a strong effectivecentral government (no, not central planning). It aggrevates me to no end that the entire country understands that things need reformed but our legislators can't get past their petty differences to do it. They're more concerned about maintaining power.

Again, I think that's probably something all Americans can agree with.

By: gdiafante on 3/15/12 at 8:12

Forgive the spelling errors, too much coffee this morning...

By: Loner on 3/15/12 at 8:35

Yogi the Bear has his "Usurper" rant and his little sidekick, Boo Boo, has his "Productive Class" rant....they are a comic duo...and yes, Ben Dover has his "TARP Repayment" rant...and me, as we all know...my favorite rant concerns the US-Israel "special relationship"....nobody is human....we all got our hang-ups.....and now more Kum-Bah-Yah:


By: BenDover on 3/15/12 at 8:36

My tendency toward social conservatism is more recent, gd. One of my dad's favorite sayings is, 'the more I learn the more I learn how little I know' and I find that the be very true when I look back on my arrogant self that knew everything in my 20s and 30s.

Over the past 10 years or so I looked around and more often than not the people who were living full and happy lives were people of faith and those who were mad at the world and pissed off at everything were people who had only contempt for faith.

That was enough to open my mind to the idea and from there I've learned that a lot of long forgotten lessons are sewn into our time tested religious traditions and that for the most part, like anything else, the criticisms revolve around the polar edges of the faith community and don't apply to the epitome of it.

Maybe I'm just noticing it more now but the level and intensity of people critical of everything in general and Christians in particular seems to be a steadily rising crescendo in the past few years. I don't think society is not a better place for its abandonment and displacement of Christianity.

By: BenDover on 3/15/12 at 8:41

"I don't think society is not a better place for its abandonment and displacement of Christianity."

double negative... lol... the devil made me do it.

By: Loner on 3/15/12 at 8:49

Doctor Dover says: "I don't think society is not a better place for its abandonment and displacement of Christianity".

So, my old friend is still carrying a torch for Charlemagne and the Holy Roman Empire...underneath that gruff exterior of a hard-nosed, Bush-dynasty conservative is an old-school Christian theocrat.

Ben likes the Christ-centered republic paradigm....I prefer the secular democracy model.

Human beings experimented with Christian theocracy...we got a series of holy wars, witch hunts, Negro slavery, environmental degradation etc.

The secular democracy idea is still a relatively new idea...I'm not ready to return to rule by priests.....most Americans have not decided to revert to the old ways...or have they?

By: Loner on 3/15/12 at 8:52

Oooops, I missed the double negative, Ben...I would have corrected the quote, if I had read your correction before hitting the submit button...I knew what you were saying....and I tried to rebut the argument.

By: BenDover on 3/15/12 at 9:00

I didn't mention government loner but it's my position that government should not discriminate against religious views or institutions, nor against people informed by their religious views.. You disagree, loner?

So long as those views are not inconsistent with our Constitution a man's/woman's faith is a good benchmark.

Reagan was a fine president I think and he illustrates the point pretty well.

By: Kosh III on 3/15/12 at 9:23

I'd have no problem with Christian "values" being dominant provided they were the authentic values and not the coercive and abusive values that are now prevalant.

You know: heal the sick, feed the hungry, visit the prisoners, defend the marginalized, help the helpless, the hopeless and the hapless; love joy peace patience meekness...........the values of their alleged deity, not the values of Pat Robertson and Pope Ratzi.

By: BenDover on 3/15/12 at 9:39

Give ole Pat a break there Kosh... he's come out in favor of legalization of marijuana. That should be worth something, right.

By: Loner on 3/15/12 at 9:48

Ben wrote: "I didn't mention government loner but it's my position that government should not discriminate against religious views or institutions, nor against people informed by their religious views.. You disagree, loner?"

True, Ben Dover did not mention "government"....he talked about "society". That's fair enough....but I stand by my post....theocracy is not a good thing.....it's a bad thing....democracy & secular governance are good things, not bad things.

I think that government has the right and the duty to trump religion-based law...like the Talmudic laws, Sharia law and "Christ-centered" law...and so on and so forth. Ben may disagree.

The Churches, Temples, Mosques, Aboriginal Sweat Lodges, Wiccan Covens etc. do not pay taxes, they should butt out of politics and stick with saving souls, or whatever spiritual service(s) they claim to offer.

When a religious view conflicts with secular law, secular law must prevail. When a religion-based agenda conflicts with the public's interest, the people's interest must prevail. The US Constitution, not the Judeo-Christian Bible, the Quran or any other "sacred text" is the law of the land here in the USA.. That's what the American experiment is all about, IMO.

Others vociferously disagree.


By: Loner on 3/15/12 at 10:07

Pat Robertson is trying to redeem himself with the Cannabis Crowd?

I read that and wondered what he had been smoking...I want some of that Pat Robertson-approved Kum-Bah-Yah Green....gotta be green like a bullfrog & sticky like glue.

Who would have thought, a year or two ago, that Rev. Pat would be in favor of legal herb; but Obama & Holder would be cracking down on the medical marijuana dispensaries? I never saw that coming.

It's gotta be due to the special interest campaign contributions....the public interest, and the consensus opinion, seems to indicate that legalization or decriminalization is the way to go.

By: BenDover on 3/15/12 at 10:09

The SCotUS held that bigamy laws are valid loner. That is both informed by the Christian religion and in conflict with the Muslim and early Mormon religion. What's your take on that? As for Sharia law it's inconsistent with our basic constitutional liberties but ideas of liberty are falling to the ideal of Democracy as the tide of Islam is washing over Western Europe.

By: BenDover on 3/15/12 at 10:20

Robertson made the same point I often do. It just destroys the lives of so many low income minorities who get into trouble for a little weed and can't buy their way out of it.

Municipalities turn it into a cash cow with the taxpayers funding their little life-destroying fiefdoms of revolving-door prosecution, probation violation, incarceration machines as the people ignorantly call for "more!".

C_ F_ of major proportions.

By: dargent7 on 3/15/12 at 10:32

" the tide of Islam is washing over Western Europe.." As it is here.
That's their edict, their tenent, their mantra.
And, in the south, shockingly, nobody get's it.
"Let's all build mosques on every street corner, like Shell gas stations, hold prayer services in Arabic 6x a day...".
But, Obama is a Muslim and we have to take him out of office.

By: Loner on 3/15/12 at 10:33

Ben, you left out the rehab industry and the drug-testing industry and their powerful lobbies in the "cash cow" group.

The established drug companies want to keep Cannabis out of the legal arena for their own selfish reasons, as do the insurance companies.

Then there are the professional zealots who testify before Congress....they make their livings off of the Cannabis prohibition.....and they have a hammerlock on commitment.

And in those states with the medical marijuana programs, those established growers within the supply chain are organizing to keep upstarts from coming in...this keeps prices as high as when the stuff was illegal. It's human nature....greed rules!

By: Loner on 3/15/12 at 10:50

By: BenDover on 3/15/12 at 11:09

The SCotUS held that bigamy laws are valid loner. That is both informed by the Christian religion and in conflict with the Muslim and early Mormon religion. What's your take on that? As for Sharia law it's inconsistent with our basic constitutional liberties but ideas of liberty are falling to the ideal of Democracy as the tide of Islam is washing over Western Europe.

The Hebrews, the Chosen People, did not outlaw polygamy in their holy texts....I did not read where the New Testament banned it...can you cite anything to back up your claim, Ben?

IMO, Jewish law, Sharia law and Christian Commandments etc. are all inconsistent with our Constitution. Religion-based laws derive their authority & legitimacy from the claimed word of a God or Gods...a Supreme Being who is not himself subject to such laws.

In a constitutional, republican, democracy - like ours - the law and our lawmakers derive their authority and legitimacy from the consent of the people, those governed by the laws.

The US anti-polygamy laws came about largely as a reaction to Mormonism....Utah residents, mostly Mormon, were forced to agree, as a prerequisite to Utah joining the union of American states....it was federal interference with the free exercise of religion, IMO.

By: Rasputin72 on 3/15/12 at 11:26

Gdiafante........I do think about the storming of the Bastille. I think a "storming" will occur in this country in some future year. This will occur for exactly the same reason the Bastille and French Revolution occurred. The wealthy were just not wealthy enough to support the huge throngs of peasants and underclass.

The underclass peasants did what underclass peasants do best. They decided to kill somebody.

I just hope that they do not in their anger decide to destroy the expensive granite masoleums.

By: Loner on 3/15/12 at 11:47

Rasp....you and Dick Cheney should go on a peasant hunt together....Dick killed 87 in one afternoon...in Latrobe, PA.....damn killer peasants, I hate 'em.

By: Loner on 3/15/12 at 11:48

No...my bad...it was a pheasant hunt, not a peasant hunt. Related, but different sports.

By: Kosh III on 3/15/12 at 12:31

You had it right the first time. The GOP elite care nothing about anyone but themselves and their corporate welfare recipients.

Grigori Yefimovich:
You really need to read a history book some time. The French elite spent the country into bankruptcy with such vanities as Versailles. The only peasants there were the semi-slaves who worked for the indolent rich.

By: brrrrk on 3/15/12 at 12:36

Rasputin72 said

"I had hoped there would be a question involving the struggle between the underclass and medocre versus the productive class. I think in politics they call it the Republicans versus the Democrats."

Glad you got the relationships in the right order......

By: BenDover on 3/15/12 at 12:47

"Hey Julius, got a minute? The boys and I have a little surprise for you."

By: yogiman on 3/15/12 at 12:48

Well, good afternoon, children. I just got home and skimmed the posts on this site... and I saw one kind of interesting.

Loner, to refresh your memory, it was your 9:35 post where you made comments about the "rants" you and some of your fellow posters are enhanced with. It seems as though it's okay for you to rant as you wish but I'm dead wrong for ranting against the usurper in office.

Am I to presume you are an avid Obama fan supporting him any way you can?

By: yogiman on 3/15/12 at 1:12

I hate to "say" it, but I read where the young man who threatened Sheriff Joe with death on his findings on Obama's fraudulent birth certificate is from Knoxville. I didn't know we had that kind of feeble minds in Tennessee.

By: BenDover on 3/15/12 at 1:47

Probably the same kid who hacked Palin's online accounts.