Up for Debate: Manning verdict

Wednesday, July 31, 2013 at 12:03am

Which parts of the Bradley Manning verdict announced Tuesday do you agree with and disagree with? How long of a sentence do you think he'll receive?

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120 Comments on this post:

By: yogiman on 7/31/13 at 6:27

I have not heard, or read, the evidence presented in Manning's court martial; so I must agree with the Judge's decision in a normal manner.

Sorry I have to lie like that, bfra.

By: gdiafante on 7/31/13 at 7:08

Sorry, I disagree with the ruling. To think that he had no idea that the information he was leaking to the internet wouldn't, or couldn't, get to Al-Qaeda...well he's either really naive or really stupid. Or both.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 7/31/13 at 7:12

g, he will probably receive a sentence of 100+ years anyway.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 7/31/13 at 7:14

I think the judge ruled as she did because his sole intent wasn't to aid the enemy.

By: gdiafante on 7/31/13 at 7:14

Yeah, it's basically just the parole issue, but I still think that part of it is ridiculous. Maybe Manning doesn't understand the internet or thought he was putting on the intranet...lol

By: Blanketnazi2 on 7/31/13 at 7:17

Well, what he did was pretty stupid and I don't think he realized the consequences but that doesn't make him completely innocent.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 7/31/13 at 7:18

Do you think the judge will give him time served and eligible for parole?

By: gdiafante on 7/31/13 at 7:22

I don't think time served would matter much. The remaining charges add up to about 130 or so years, so even if he got half, that's still the rest of his life. It is all about parole.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 7/31/13 at 7:26

Don't you have to have a certain percentage of time served in order to be eligible for parole? I know that military court is different from civilian criminal court....

By: gdiafante on 7/31/13 at 7:27

I'm not sure since it's the military.

By: Captain Nemo on 7/31/13 at 7:28

He is a rat and a fool. Stupid little traitor want last long in prison at best. At the worse he will never have a save life.

By: Captain Nemo on 7/31/13 at 7:29

Comrade yogi has admitted that he lies.

By: yogiman on 7/31/13 at 7:39

Well let me tell another lie dumba$$, your postings on this board are so simply posted it's easy to understand what you're trying to post.

By: bfra on 7/31/13 at 7:40

He definitely has shown no remorse for anything . IMO leaking anykind of government information should be classified as treason & punished as such.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 7/31/13 at 7:40

Yeah, he's s a small guy - he's not going to do well in prison. Especially considering what he did.

By: bfra on 7/31/13 at 7:41

yogi should be classified in the same boat! Traitor!

By: yogiman on 7/31/13 at 7:42

So an Army private is guilty of treason but a usurper in the Oval Office isn't. That makes good sense with your intelligence, bfra.

By: bfra on 7/31/13 at 7:47

Considering that last comment, some brains would be necessary to be a traitor & yogi has none.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 7/31/13 at 7:48

Altogether they add up to 136 years. But the judge may decide not to slap him with the maximum for each count. She may rule that he'll serve time concurrently, rather than consecutively.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/31/us/manning-what-next/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

Since he's already been in custody for 3 years that may count as time served. So if each count is 20 years and he serves the concurrently and he gets 3 years for time served he could be out in 17 years, best case scenario.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 7/31/13 at 7:54

What is the difference between parole and MSR (Mandatory Supervised Release)?

The individual on parole and MSR is under the direct supervision of a United States Probation Officer (USPO) until the full sentence has been served or the Army Clemency and Parole Board remits the remaining portion of his sentence. The difference between the two is an individual is eligible for parole after serving one-third or more of his/her sentence, while an individual released on MSR is released when he has served until his minimum release date and has submitted an acceptable release plan. Failure to provide an acceptable release plan could require the individual to serve his full sentence in confinement.

http://arba.army.pentagon.mil/clemency-parole-faq.cfm

So if he serves 20 years concurently, get 3 years for time served he will be eligible for parole in 4 years (1/3 of 20 is approximately 7). Or he could get MSR.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 7/31/13 at 8:00

This is similar to civilian criminal court. I get so frustrated with sentencing guidelines. Someone who is sentenced to 135 years could possibly get out in 4 based on the criteria that the judge sets up (like time served, concurrent vs. consecutive, etc.) That's why we see criminals walking the streets.

By: yogiman on 7/31/13 at 8:02

If the young man knowingly, and willingly, gave betrayal evidence to our nations enemies, he should be put to death or life without parole if not given the death sentence.

By: gdiafante on 7/31/13 at 8:03

That's our yogi...always a day late and dollar short...

By: Blanketnazi2 on 7/31/13 at 8:05

He admits that he doesn't know anything about it, then says he agrees with the judge, then completely contradicts himself. The dementia loop goes round and round......

By: Blanketnazi2 on 7/31/13 at 8:06

"he should be put to death or life without parole if not given the death sentence"

Idiot.

By: Kosh III on 7/31/13 at 8:11

One more success for the growing Corporate/Fascist US Empire. If only we cared as much about freedom of speech as freedom to carry weapons of destruction.

By: gdiafante on 7/31/13 at 8:15

This isn't about free speech. Maybe you're thinking of Snowden and the NSA. The military is a completely different animal.

By: yogiman on 7/31/13 at 8:16

I apologize that I don't think the same was as you and your colleges on this board, BR. How can you out think a judge if you aren't knowledgeable of the evidence presented to that court?

I'd sure like to know what evidence you made your personal decision with.

By: yogiman on 7/31/13 at 8:17

s/h/b same way as you...

By: bfra on 7/31/13 at 8:21

yogi - Who is BR? What does (same was as you) mean? What evidence did you make your 8:02AM decision on? Get some brains & come back when you can make sense. HA! That will be never!

By: Captain Nemo on 7/31/13 at 8:21

By: yogiman on 7/31/13 at 6:27

Sorry I have to lie like that, bfra.

Comrade yogi is a horrible North Korean agent that has gone Coo, Coo.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 7/31/13 at 8:22

g, you're a Marine, right? What's the best course of action if you see things going on that are not right? What should have Manning done?

By: Captain Nemo on 7/31/13 at 8:28

By: yogiman on 7/31/13 at 8:16
I apologize that I don't think the same was as you and your colleges on this board, BR. How can you out think a judge if you aren't knowledgeable of the evidence presented to that court?

More evidence that the commie is going deeper and deeper into Coo, Coo’ness (sic)

"same was as was you"

By: yogiman on 7/31/13 at 8:28

Sorry ma'am, as I use the term loosely. I meant D2. I haven't had but one cup of coffee this morning.

Thanks for helping me wake up.

By: Captain Nemo on 7/31/13 at 8:33

Who the HELL is D2 He,he,he.

Coffee want help that crap fill brain.

By: yogiman on 7/31/13 at 8:37

What do you think of that Marine veteran refusing to take his flag or 'color' down in his subdivision in Georgia, gdiafante?

They gave him his choice; take the US flag down or his Marine color down (they think his color is a flag) and he can only have one up.

He can be fined 25 dollars a day if he doesn't "obey their order.

Check it out on Fox news.

By: yogiman on 7/31/13 at 8:39

One more cup dumba$$, and I'll get to B2. That's ahead of D2, ya know. I'm getting close.

By: Captain Nemo on 7/31/13 at 8:41

I think there is a difference between a Whistle Blower and Traitor. Manning and Snowden seem to have created a new category between the two groupings. I think that both have let their self-image of importance far out reach their abilities.

By: yogiman on 7/31/13 at 8:42

Coffee want's to help dumba$$, but until I get at least three, it won't help.

By: Captain Nemo on 7/31/13 at 8:46

You will never get close, Comrade yogi, even if you shoved a head in a toilet full of coffee.

By: bfra on 7/31/13 at 8:47

Nemo - Your description about their self-image seems to be their major problem. Both, when interviews exhibit arrogance, impudence & self-importance, the same as Weiner.

By: Captain Nemo on 7/31/13 at 8:49

By: yogiman on 7/31/13 at 8:42

Coffee want's to help dumba$$, but until I get at least three, it won't help.

Even more evidence that the Village Idiot is Coo, Coo, he thinks that coffee "wanr's to help". LOL.

By: Captain Nemo on 7/31/13 at 8:54

bfra-

I bet if you look into their back ground you'll find some link to the Tea Party. They think they know all but having no clue to what reality is all about.

By: Captain Nemo on 7/31/13 at 8:55

shb want's

By: Blanketnazi2 on 7/31/13 at 8:57

Well, we know that Snowden was hired by a contractor that had ties.

By: yogiman on 7/31/13 at 9:00

Looks like y'all might have to put up with me for awhile. I just read where a man in Texas is presumed to be the oldest ex-GI in the nation. He's a WWII vet and credits his longevity to a stress free life, cigars and whiskey in his coffee. And he's 107.

He served on Guam, Palau and Iwo Jima in WWII. I live a stress free life and served on Guam and Palau but I don't smoke cigars and put whiskey in my coffee, but I'll settle for 100 years.

By: gdiafante on 7/31/13 at 9:08

g, you're a Marine, right? What's the best course of action if you see things going on that are not right? What should have Manning done?

You don't steal classifiied information and put it on the internet. There is a chain of command. If you go through proper channels and see that either nothing is happening or there's a cover up, etc., then alert the media so they can investigate.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 7/31/13 at 9:09

The consulting company that hired Snowden is owned by the Carlyle Group. Here's a little info about who runs the Carlyle Group:

James Baker, currently a Carlyle senior counselor, was President George H. W. Bush’s secretary of state;

George W. Bush, the former president of the United States, serves as senior adviser to the Carlyle Asia Advisory Board;

Frank Carlucci, former secretary of defense under Ronald Reagan, also served Carlyle as its chairman from 1989 to 2005;

Richard Darman, director of the Office of Management and Budget under President George H. W. Bush, also served Carlyle as its managing director and then as a senior adviser

http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/crime/item/15696-behind-the-curtain-booz-allen-hamilton-and-its-owner-the-carlyle-group

Looks like more right wing extremists trying to bring down the Obama administration.

By: Captain Nemo on 7/31/13 at 9:12

Comrade yogi you are no Texan. A zombie for sure.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 7/31/13 at 9:16

I guess wandering around in a full diaper all day waiting for the care giver to show up doesn't stress out the old fool.