Up for Debate: Mapping permit holders, journalists

Friday, December 28, 2012 at 12:31am

A blogger has posted the names, addresses and phone numbers of journalists after their paper mapped out the locations of gun permit holders. How do you feel about the publishing of such information in either case? Are either or perhaps both done antagonistically? Is there a benefit to either?

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58 Comments on this post:

By: Ask01 on 12/28/12 at 5:51

Posting information such as addresses and phone numbers has to be considered antagonistic, even though some information may have been readily available through other sources.

All that has really been accomplished is to lessen the effort to uncover the information.

If unlisted phone numbers were provided, there might be some grounds for legal actionm, but I would defer to an attorney for the straight story.

On the other hand, journalist have no problem about publshing all manner of information about private citizens when it suits them, so turn about would seem fair play.

Likewise, gun owners constantly declare they feel safer with a weapon in the house and are proud to be a practitioner of their Second Amendment rights, so I'm surprised most don't have sign declaring their property protected by their most beloved firearm. This sort of just tells the bad guys they so fear to stay away.

I read some comment on another board saying the non gun owners should be angry because the bad guys now know which properties are safe to burgle. That may be true. Or maybe not. I understand only the names of known permit holders were published so criminals still won't know who really has a gun or perhaps something worse waiting for them.

All in all, this was just an exercise in juvenile, sophmoric school yard justice, making both parties look immature.

By: Loner on 12/28/12 at 7:03

Let's just have one big circular firing squad in America and get it over with, once and for all.

By: yogiman on 12/28/12 at 7:42

Newspapers have ceased being news papers. They have become "down your throat" organizations.

I wonder how many of the paper's employee's (who own weapons) names were were identified.

By: bfra on 12/28/12 at 7:47

I can understand why something that can barely read & does NOT comprend what they are "trying" to read would feel that way.

By: govskeptic on 12/28/12 at 8:00

A useless folly played by a NY newspaper and editor desperate for an attention
getter to go with their PR campaign for more revenue. So far, it's been attacked
by both sides of the gun issue for different but similar reasons. Sounds like
something several local papers might want to copy. It's good for burglars and
those without legal eligibility to own a gun to known where one might be located.

By: Rasputin72 on 12/28/12 at 8:13

Lists and weird laws certainly helped the NAZIS control the people and broght on the deaths and destruction of not only Americans but over 40 million Europeans.

Getting on or off a list could get one killed or jalied or both.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 12/28/12 at 8:37

That's one of the risks and responsibilities of gun ownership.

By: Captain Nemo on 12/28/12 at 8:48

Aren’t we on a list of car and home owners? What is so wrong about being on a list of gun owners? Now on the other hand, if the name address and phone numbers were obtain illegality then that would be a different matter.

By: Captain Nemo on 12/28/12 at 8:49

Rasputin are you as rich as Denise York?

By: bfra on 12/28/12 at 9:40

Nemo - His keeper probably doesn't let him count her money.

By: budlight on 12/28/12 at 9:48

: Blanketnazi2 on 12/28/12 at 7:37
That's one of the risks and responsibilities of gun ownership.

Excuse me Blanket, but I disagree with you. My responsibility as a gun owner is the following: To keep guns locked up and out of the hands of children; to take training to be sure I know how and when to properly use a gun; to legally register the gun; to have a legal handgun carry permit if I choose to carry.

I have no responsibility to tell everyone in the world that I own a gun. Yes, it is probably listed someplace, but usually people are not probing around looking for that information. UNLESS they are a left wing libnut looking for some type of vindictive way to get even with gun owners.

Posting that information was wrong. But at least the journalists got their addresses etc posted in return. How would you like to have your home address posted? Heck, you are even afraid to post your REAL NAME. You hide behind a screen name (as we all do to protect our privacy).

The right to own a gun is just that: It is a right. And Raspy you are correct. Hitler had many wierd laws and lists. My friend in CA's grandfather was in Hitler's army; if he did not join, he would have been killed. Thank God we are not at that point in the U.S.

And by the way, Blanket, my husband was shot in the neck at 17 years old in a hunting accident - close range - by his cousin - accidentally. He forgave his cousin but unfortunately the cousin never forgave himself. My husband is not afraid of guns and respects them. His cousin left the state and never came home. He died 3 years ago - kind of sad and lonely. But no one held it against him except himself.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 12/28/12 at 9:50

Gun ownership is public record as it should be. People know that when they choose to purchase a gun.

By: bfra on 12/28/12 at 9:55

Oh Me! Next bud will have a saga about someone "she knows" that shot their own foot.

By: budlight on 12/28/12 at 10:01

Shut your piehole bfra. you don't need to comment on my posts. And I'll not comment on your posts.

By: bfra on 12/28/12 at 10:05

Sorry buddodo, I will comment on any post I wish! You are not the comment patrole.

By: parnell3rd on 12/28/12 at 10:08

The Commercial Appeal in Memphis, TN. did the same thing a few years ago.
It gives the criminal a chioce of either breaking into a home knowing a person livivng there owns a gun, or going to his neighbors house who was not listed as a gun owner.
Remember we live in a country where the Police have to list their DUI checkpoints so drunk drivers can go another route.

By: Loner on 12/28/12 at 10:33

It won't be long before the predicted anarchy descends on the fruited plain...one nuke attack on Washington, DC would destroy the union of American states....the governors will become little emperors and roving gangs of heavily armed men will terrorize the general population....this nightmarish scenario could be a self-fulfilling prophecy....it's what many folks have come to expect; so they are arming themselves and stocking up on the ammo.

Canada lies just across Lake Ontario....I may be forced to be a boat person, seeking asylum and sanctuary in the land of the Maple Leaf? America has gone nuts.

By: budlight on 12/28/12 at 10:45

Parnell, on second thought, criminals may not be that smart - to look up those types of records -- or else why would they be criminals to start with?

Yeah, I hear you on the DUI; the drunks on this post keep up with that data. I think they should be allowed to have DUI roadblocks without prior warning. Maybe then these winos would be off the streets driving their lethal weapons.

And have we banned Craigslist yet? Another rape. This time in Nashville. But they caught the guy already. The lady looking for a job is lucky he didn't kill her. AND if she had a carry permit, she may not have been raped.

so long

By: dargent7 on 12/28/12 at 11:06

As long as it's legal to buy and own a gun, their names aren't anyone's business.
We're already publishing names of pedophiles, child molestors that move into the neighborhood.
If they did prison time that's their debt to society no matter how screwed up the system is.
That pinhead Palin put cross-hairs on districts who didn't favor her slanted views and Gabby Gifords got shot in the head.
Maybe there's a connection.

By: Rasputin72 on 12/28/12 at 11:22

LONER.........The confirmation of "America has gone nuts" came in early November.

By: Loner on 12/28/12 at 11:33

Rasp, America lost what was left of its mind in 2004, when Junior Bush and Dick Cheney were given four more years to wreck the place....sanity never really returned.

By: Loner on 12/28/12 at 11:42

America broke from the British Crown, in 1776, in order to gain "freedom" and "liberty".

Some dubious novel "rights" were trotted out by the Founders...like the right for white folks to keep and bear arms....Indians and Negro slaves were prohibited from owning firearms, of course.

Ironically, Canada never broke away from the crown and today, Canadians arguably enjoy more freedom, more security, more life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness than we Americans do...they do not live in fear of assault rifles in the hands of nut-jobs and ex-cons, like we do here....and in England, the mother country, national security and domestic tranquility far exceeds the American standard....the American Revolution may have been counter-productive....but we got our guns, dammit.

By: yogiman on 12/28/12 at 11:42

Where in the Constitution and by what law says gun registration is a "must" in the books as a law?

The law, as I understand it, states the legal gun dealers only have to keep a record of the guns they sell but are not required to turn said list over to the government for registration. Was a gun dealer friend lying to me? Unless the has, when was that law passed?

By: Loner on 12/28/12 at 11:47

Yogi...stick the gun barrel in your mouth, DesJarlais style....don't chicken out, like DesJarlais did....thanks.

By: Loner on 12/28/12 at 11:57

The original text: "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

If I could, I would amend that to read: "A well regulated militia being a threat to the union of American states, civilian militia are hereby banned; the so-called, "gun rights" of the lunatic fringe shall be vigorously infringed upon, for the public good".

By: Loner on 12/28/12 at 12:21

Do other countries have a constitutional right to bear arms?

Find out, here:

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/explainer/2010/12/have_gun_want_to_travel.html

By: Captain Nemo on 12/28/12 at 12:30

By: budlight on 12/28/12 at 8:48

Excuse me Blanket, but I disagree with you. My responsibility as a gun owner is the following: To keep guns locked up and out of the hands of children; to take training to be sure I know how and when to properly use a gun; to legally register the gun; to have a legal handgun carry permit if I choose to carry.

To have your gun locked up and out of the reach of children puts gun owners at a disadvantage. If someone is breaking into to you house you would have to go to the secret hiding place (which should be in someplace hard for children to get to) and unlock the gun. If one is smart and safe one should keep the key in another place so children can not find it. By the time you do all of this, you may find your self giving up that gun, because the perpetrator has got their gun on you or you are already dead.

By: Loner on 12/28/12 at 12:31

The US joins these three bastions of human rights with a constitutional right to keep and bear arms....Mexico, Hailt and Gautemala also have the "right" enshrined in their respective Constitutions; but they also have gun laws restricting the right...but the gun laws are usually ignored; unless you are a foreigner with a gun....in that case, you are going to jail for decades for mere possession of a gun.

By: Captain Nemo on 12/28/12 at 12:32

Loner the old fool would have to have brain to do that difficult of action.

By: yogiman on 12/28/12 at 1:58

I'll make a deal with you, Loner.

You stick a gun up your a$$ with all of your BS as you're doing and pull the trigger and I'll put it in my mouth and pull the trigger because if you're so successful with blowing all of that sh!t it out your a$$, I won't taste your sh!t when I blow it out of my mouth.

By: yogiman on 12/28/12 at 2:06

Please correct me if I'm wrong, Loner.

You have claimed to be a Army veteran with two years service. What oath did you take when you was sworn in service? Did you tell them you would like to change that damn Constitution you was taking an oath to honor? Did they let you take that oath with you telling them you thought it aught to be changed?

By: Loner on 12/28/12 at 2:07

This board has hit rock bottom...see ya later.

By: Eye Nose & Now ... on 12/28/12 at 2:32

I not postes for week as last time mean-spearit republican call me "bi-polar eye
nose'--- I know he republicans cause us democrts and Obama believers don't uses such langage. He use code name of BFI which is good as that is name of
garbagman in Nashville 2 type republicns -- mean spirit--& politic ignant, Yogi
man he belong to politic ignant group as he too old to undrstand new politic of
spred welth around but he still not mean spearit like this bfi man who needs
be ashamed of self as he deffinit mean-spearitd Yogiman not even a Believer
but he act more nice than bfi do I still wan ts wish ALL happy new year for
both Believers an d non-believers.

By: yogiman on 12/28/12 at 3:00

I'm a little amazed, Eye Nose & Now.

You seem to be quite able to spell you "name" correctly but you can't seem to spell two words in a row correctly.

Regarding your comment about being called "bi-polar eye nose", may I offer you the thought of considering the source and ignoring it. Too many on this site are trying to prove they're superior to us "fools" but can't seem to have much success by making so many errors themselves.

That, Sir/Ma'am, indicates their ignorant claims of intelligence.

By: Captain Nemo on 12/28/12 at 3:29

Just relax yogi, ENN is in another part of your brain.

By: budlight on 12/28/12 at 4:51

Yogi, eye, nose & now is not a separate person on this board. It is bfra and G posing as someone else. Or it could be D7 who is an avid obama fan (sorry D7, but it does sound kind of like you).

I do want to remind you all that in the past year or so, Mayor Karl Dean's 2 year old nephew was backed over by an SUV in the driveway. There are many of those unfortunate accidents which occur annually and the victim is usually under 10 and under 4' tall. In other words, it's mostly children. Why don't ya'll harp on the auto industry to ban vehicles that are capable of that kind of carnage? The fact is that in most cases, it is a parent, sitter or someone in authority who dropped the ball watching out for the child for a few moments - seconds, if you will.

So you must look at the accidental shootings of children. A parent, guardian or other has dropped the ball. Someone should have been watching a 2 year old or else it would never have been in the position to run behind the car OR PICK UP THE GUN.

So once again, personal responsibility can play a role in childrens' safety. Maybe not true in all cases, but I'll be in many of them it is true.

Guns are not the problem. People are the problem.

By: Captain Nemo on 12/28/12 at 5:00

By: budlight on 12/28/12 at 3:51
Yogi, eye, nose & now is not a separate person on this board. It is bfra and G posing as someone else. Or it could be D7 who is an avid obama fan (sorry D7, but it does sound kind of like you).

How would you know bud? Your Crystal Balls giving you insight?

By: yogiman on 12/28/12 at 5:15

It doesn't take much to put you at the bottom of the pole, dumba$$. You keep exposing your ignorance every time you post on this site.

By: budlight on 12/28/12 at 6:04

Nemroid, go back into your cav(ity) and hibernate. You are irritating!

By: budlight on 12/29/12 at 7:25

Well Yogi, Obama says the fiscal cliff issue has to be dealt with immediately, so he'll probably do something slick over the weekend of New Year's - behind closed doors and for his benefit and not ours - and it will be an executive order - probably. God please bless America. Amen

By: yogiman on 12/29/12 at 9:10

Obama is really the least problem we have, budlight. Congress (especially the senate) is our biggest problem because they let a man usurp the presidency knowing he wasn't legally eligible for that office (or at least they should. if they didn't, they need to go home).

They threw the race issue as the reason but from what I've read and heard, Barry doesn't have the vast majority of black Americans on his side so the biggest question is: Why has no one in congress raised the question of eligibility when it's based on Obama's autobiography, Barry's and Michelle's comments and comments from many people of Kenya?

I'm [told] constantly by the "experts" on this site he's in that office legally but none of them seem to remember what they told me on his qualifications.

All I can remember is they claim him to be eligible because he was born in Hawaii with a Kenyan father but Mitt Romney wasn't eligible because he was born in Michigan with an American father. They can't explain where our constitutional requirements were changed so I'm trying to find when Michigan rebelled from the USA.

By: Captain Nemo on 12/29/12 at 10:55

By: budlight on 12/28/12 at 5:04
Nemroid, go back into your cav(ity) and hibernate. You are irritating!

WOW! I am amazed has to how your clever brain works. This really hurts him…not! LOL

By: bfra on 12/29/12 at 1:29

Nemo - Every time bud "thinks" she is dissing someone, it just shows she is still the same old stupid bud.

By: Captain Nemo on 12/29/12 at 3:31

Stupidity would be an improvement, bfra.

By: yogiman on 12/29/12 at 6:39

The only stupid ones on this site are you Obama admirers, bfra. You keep commenting I'm repeating myself on his constitutional eligibility but you're never willing to prove me wrong.... again. Why?

My thoughts? Because you finally understand your ignorance on eligibility and aren't willing to admit it.

You keep complaining I'm repeating myself because I think I'm right; so you must be sure you're wrong or you would [correct] me every time I make such a mistake.

By: Captain Nemo on 12/29/12 at 7:08

Go *uck yourself yogi

By: BenDover on 12/29/12 at 8:33

I was never sure before why you chose that handle Raspy...

http://i.imgur.com/T7ax1.jpg

By: Captain Nemo on 12/29/12 at 9:46

LOL Ben.

But the truth is Rasputin was a con man and so is Raspy.

By: budlight on 12/29/12 at 9:55

By: bfra on 12/29/12 at 12:29
Nemo - Every time bud "thinks" she is dissing someone, it just shows she is still the same old stupid bud.

Yogi you are right. And they are both too stupid to get it! They wallow in their own muck and don't even realize they stink! Hogs! Nemroids are painful, so capt. get you some help with that.

By: BenDover on 12/29/12 at 11:07

I'm going to start calling him Dirk.