Up for Debate: MBA and TSSAA rule violations

Tuesday, January 10, 2012 at 1:53am

Are you surprised by reports of possible TSSAA rules violations at MBA? Is it almost to be expected as the nature of the beast in private high school sports? Could there even be a properly monitored system that didn't rely on self-reporting?

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38 Comments on this post:

By: dargent7 on 1/10/12 at 4:24

There's no "the Nature of the beast" when it comes to rules violations at any level.
Look at Ohio State's football program, not to mention the insanity going on over at Penn State.
What's next? The Boy Scouts have a corrupt Merit Badge program and all the Eagle Scouts cheated?
It all boils down to parenting.

By: Ummm... on 1/10/12 at 5:41

"Are you surprised by reports of possible TSSAA rules violations at MBA?"

Not at all.

"Is it almost to be expected as the nature of the beast in private high school sports?"

Apparently, it is.

"Could there even be a properly monitored system that didn't rely on self-reporting?"

Probably not.

As dargent7 said before, parenting has much to do with ethics deficiencies, but the "me first- at whatever cost" attitude seems to be increasingly validated by society as a whole. (Lower my taxes, let the poor and disadvantaged try to find their "bootstraps," and give me the biggest gun available.)

By: dargent7 on 1/10/12 at 5:59

On another thread, this story is enhanced. But, a $1,500. check has everyone up in arms?
All college sports have money flowing to make more money.
Big money.
Money is ok, as compared to sex abuse at Penn State which is off-limits and out of bounds.
My God, Michigan Stadium, Ann Arbor, had 104,000 every Saturday and now can hold 115,000.
More than any NFL stadiums, including Cowboy Stadium in Arlington, TX.
You tell me all the players on Michigan's team have 3.8 gpa's?
But, you want to be the teacher who flunks the starting QB, denying him the Heisman, and loose all that positive publicity?
If that Baylor QB winner came to me and said, "2 + 2 = 5", I'd say, "absolutely correct".

By: yogiman on 1/10/12 at 6:32

Parenting has nothing to do with the school's executives, dargent7, unless they know about it and let their child stay in that school. It's a helluva education.

By: yogiman on 1/10/12 at 6:37

Obama exposure #7. Open Border Anarchy.
Despite the lack of progress on the double-layer fence, Obama will continue to minimize the government's efforts to secure our borders while exposing our nation to more illegal aliens crossing our borders.

By: dargent7 on 1/10/12 at 6:53

Sure, "yogi". Responsible "parenting" is vastly overrated.

By: Loner on 1/10/12 at 7:04

I'm just too lazy to look up what those acronyms stand for...looks like the City Paper was also too lazy to spell out the names of those groups involved in whatever it is that has the City Paper up in arms. This must be an insider story...just for insiders...I'll just step back and monitor the board....besides, lots of posters here are getting sick and tired of my comments...they now have the floor.

By: yogiman on 1/10/12 at 7:08

Comment anyway, Loner. You still have your unalienable rights to free speech (also meaning writing) until Barry Soetoro usurps his way into office again.

By: BenDover on 1/10/12 at 7:12

Sounds like an impropriety that's being addressed openly and forthrightly. The City Paper's 'editors' panties are in a wad because it's a private school with high tuition rates.

The biggest problem aside from the $1500 hand-out seems to be that the fact that the grandparents often pay the student's tuition rather than the parents.

More 1%er rage gone wild.

By: govskeptic on 1/10/12 at 7:17

Loner:

Those initials are just a cover to hide the fact that it may be a Jewish
conspiracy to get their children into the rough and tumble of football!

By: BenDover on 1/10/12 at 7:18

They seem to long for nice little Bolshevik Revolution to put the Dr Zivagos of our world in their place.

By: Captain Nemo on 1/10/12 at 7:25

Not at all.

By: GoodGrief on 1/10/12 at 7:28

You need to go back and look at the original story guys. The kid involved (and his family) were perfectly fine with taking money to supplant his tuition until..... he was removed as a starter. When he wasn't being treated like a prima dona everthing changed. Hence the coming forth with a copy of a check. Whoop de friggin' do.

By: dargent7 on 1/10/12 at 7:40

"Supplant"? You meant to say, "Supplement"?

By: Captain Nemo on 1/10/12 at 8:00

When sports come before academia, then the culture is doomed. This is only one incident in the over all fall of civilization.

By: Rasputin72 on 1/10/12 at 8:04

LONER.....You hit the nail on the head when you questioned whether or not this was an insider story. This story was written for the benefit and the detriment of a small group of Nashvillians who normally are immune to the lives and lifestyles of 99% of Nashvillians.

By: yogiman on 1/10/12 at 8:05

If the "payoff" was to supplement his tuition, what kind of work did he do other than play sports? If that's what he received the money for, that ain't supplemental pay. That's a payoff as a professional athlete.

By: brrrrk on 1/10/12 at 10:03

BenDover said

"They seem to long for nice little Bolshevik Revolution to put the Dr Zivagos of our world in their place."

"No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main. If a clod be washed away by the sea, Europe is the less, as well as if a promontory were, as well as if a manor of thy friend's or of thine own were: any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind, and therefore never send to know for whom the bells tolls; it tolls for thee." :-)

By: BigPapa on 1/10/12 at 10:59

You mean all these great athletes weren't just walking the halls of MBA, BA, and Ensworth? I know when I think "great athlete" the first image I picture is a pasty white rich kid in penny loafers.
Who knew ... color me shocked.

By: yogiman on 1/10/12 at 11:44

Do you really have to be an athlete to get "paid off"?

I friend sent me a little story about a young man that recently died in New Orleans by

from gunshot wounds.The young man was only 25 years old, but... he had 3 sons and 5 daughters but no wife (only a "roommate"). Some of the children were with her and some were with other women.

It seems they are entitled to welfare payments now. That's 9 recipients at $950 each... or $8,550 a month. Now add that they get food stamps, free medical aid and free school lunches... and on and on. The math says that's $102,000 cash plus subsidies per year.

Now it seems this young man had 13 brothers and sisters. If they all follow suite, that means $11,700,000 a year and that's just one damn family.

Now how many "families" are in this bracket nationwide? That is one of the reasons why this nation is going bankrupt.

By: Loner on 1/10/12 at 11:50

I did some research and left the following comment on the main board for this story:

Corruption in private high schools? In Nashville, Tennessee, buckle of the Bible Belt? Say it isn't so.

I went to Wikipedia and checked out the history of MBA and its original benefactor and creator. Here's a choice snippet:

"(Montgomery) Bell was noted for sharp business practices; it was said of him that he would never pay a debt unless sued for it. He was also reputed to frequent prostitutes and to force his attentions upon female slaves. Earlier in his life he was also quick to whip male slaves for the slightest offense and was noted for the ferocity with which he would pursue those who ran away; later in his life he came to regard slavery as a great moral wrong and at the time of his death was in the process of freeing his slaves and arranging passage for many of them to Liberia."

So, when Bell finally got religion on the slavery issue, late in life and after becoming a tycoon thanks to their sweat and blood, he wanted to send the no-longer-needed freed slaves back to Africa...he did not want their kind hanging around as free men..."Back to Africa, ye Negroes! I'll pay your fare...one-way, of course."

Sounds like the school honoring this Bell character has a bad Karma problem...and, BTW, its logo is functionally illegible...and an all-boys school sounds like a perfect setting for Coach Sandusky types...just sayin'.

Keep digging, NCP...there's probably a lot more crap here.

By: Captain Nemo on 1/10/12 at 12:07

Jan 10, 2012 (1% of precincts reporting)

Mitt Romney 7 36.8%
Ron Paul 5 26.3%
Jon Huntsman 4 21.1%
Newt Gingrich 2 10.5%
Rick Perry 1 5.3%
Michele Bachmann 0 0%
Rick Santorum 0 0%
Other 0 0%

By: brrrrk on 1/10/12 at 12:16

I just heard something interesting....

We all probably know that Clear Channel Communications through its Premiere Radio Networks subsidiary is the syndicator for Rush Limbaugh's radio show.... right? But how many know that Clear Channel has connections with Bain Capital?

"Clear Channel Communications, Inc. Enters into Merger Agreement with Private Equity Group Co-Led By Bain Capital Partners, LLC and Thomas H. Lee Partners, L.P."

By: brrrrk on 1/10/12 at 12:26

Something to consider....

Once again this year the median income has dropped; now down to $26,236 per person, while at the same time the net worth of members of congress has gone up.

Here are the average net worth values for members of the house.

All members: $775,000
None Tea Party GOP members: $834,000
Tea Party GOP members: $1.8 Million

Like they say, follow the money.....

By: Loner on 1/10/12 at 12:26

Here is a snippet from the website hosted by the Independent Schools of the Nashville Area, (ISNA). Montgomery Bell Academy, (MBA), is a member of the ISNA organization.

Ethical Principles:

The unqualified approval for full membership by the Independent Schools of the Nashville Area (ISNA) of any member school shall imply that school’s observance, in spirit and in deed, of high professional and ethical standards in its relations with its students, faculty, and employees and with other schools, particularly when there may be overlapping interests between schools with respect to faculty employment, student enrollment, and the recruitment of both faculty and students. The following guidelines are based on the concept that our strength as independent schools is derived both from the diversity that exists among us and from the support and cooperation that we can give each other. Certain admissions and hiring practices, such as raids on other schools’ students and teachers, should not be driven by marketing concerns to the extent that ethics are disregarded. (end snippet)

Looks to me like the TSSAA and ISNA talk the talk, but have difficulty walking the walk.

TSSAA and ISNA both need to get some internal investigations going and IMO they need to appoint some outside group to monitor compliance with their rules and regulations...self-policing is not working out and everybody knows it.

These private high schools are supposed to be teaching young people about fairness, ethics, honesty and compliance with the law; they are not setting a very good example for the youngsters to emulate.

If the real, but unspoken educational goal of these high-falutin high schools is to teach kids that it's a jungle out there and you must win, even if by cheating, then they are setting a marvelous example for the kids to follow.

As we adults all know, it actually is a jungle out there...maybe the kids should learn how to circumvent the rules and subvert the goals from these professionals - the administration, faculty, alumni and staff of these ISNA schools.

By: brrrrk on 1/10/12 at 12:31

Loner said

"The following guidelines are based on the concept that our strength as independent schools is derived both from the diversity that exists among us and from the support and cooperation that we can give each other."

Laughable..... You want to see diversity in the private schools around here? Then go to a football game.... the diversity is on the field.

By: Loner on 1/10/12 at 12:56

Thanks, Brrrrk, for the info.

Clear Channel is actually Smear Channel....when Reagan threw the Fairness Doctrine over the transom, the Ship-O-State lost its sextant....we are now lost - our position unknown - a compass, even a moral compass, is of little value under these circumstances.

And still they clamor for Reagan's likeness to be imprinted on our currency and such...they named an airport after the guy...and an aircraft carrier too....ridiculous.

By: Loner on 1/10/12 at 1:01

Brrrrk, on your 12:31 post...I did not say that, that was a quote from ISNA.'s website...and it is laughable

I suspect that the majority of the black kids attending these ISNA schools are there because of their athletic prowess...am I right to suspect or conclude that, Brrrrk?

And thanks, Darge for the NH update.

By: Loner on 1/10/12 at 1:10

If it's true, that the recipients of the check went public, only after their son was denied a starter position on MBA's football team, then it's a double tragedy for the young man involved...he sees the school cheating and he sees his parent's act of vengeful ingratitude. There is no virtue in their actions, just vice....in my humble opinion.

By: Loner on 1/10/12 at 2:05

These ISNA high schools are little Penn States? Places where football rules?

It's bad enough when colleges and universities emphasize their football programs, even though the evidence pointing to brain damage caused by football injuries is mounting.

It is even worse, IMO, when high schools emphasize their football programs in spite of the evidence that young brains can be permanently damaged by concussions suffered on the gridiron

Some will argue that the ends justify the means...but I'm not so sure about that.

By: yogiman on 1/10/12 at 2:22

Loner,

Not too many years ago MBA and other private schools were well admired schools. They did have good athletes but their prime goals were well educated students.

I guess its pretty much like our nation today; they've all gone to hell.

By: Captain Nemo on 1/10/12 at 2:26

The end may justify the means as long as there is something that justifies the end.
Leon Trotsky

By: Captain Nemo on 1/10/12 at 2:27

There are no absolute rules of conduct, either in peace or war. Everything depends on circumstances.
Leon Trotsky

By: Loner on 1/10/12 at 2:28

Great quotes, Cap.n.

By: Captain Nemo on 1/10/12 at 2:33

Thank you Loner.

I wonder what the circumstances were at MBA. The need to win?

By: yogiman on 1/10/12 at 2:49

No one wants to lose except on certain circumstances, Captain Nemo.

By: Loner on 1/10/12 at 2:51

Nemo asks, about MBA's motivations, "the need to win". Apparently that is so, they need to win at football... but why the need to win at football, at all costs? Is it the alumni living out their fantasies vicariously? Is it old grudges..old rivalries...old feuds....old scores to settle? Good old "us versus them"?

Or is it more simple than that...do the better football schools simply attract more donor dollars?

By: Captain Nemo on 1/10/12 at 6:00

Your answer is more to the truth, Loner.