Up for Debate: McConnell, Judd ... bugging?

Wednesday, April 10, 2013 at 2:16am

What do you make of not only the Mother Jones report that exposed Sen. Mitch McConnell's sizing up of Ashley Judd as a possible opponent, but also the obtaining of and what perhaps may be the illegal recording of that conversation?

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70 Comments on this post:

By: Ask01 on 4/10/13 at 3:01

A so far unknown individual secretly, and perhaps illegally, recorded the conversation, according to the story so far.

The circumstances, of course, may not be as nefarious as the allegations desribe. An aide could have recorded the proceedings for personal use and later reference. Then, in a fit of conscience, decided to make public Senator McConnell's all too common strategy of bileous personal attacks rather than focusing on issues.

Or this could have indeed been a highly successful, and illegal, fishing expedition with the goal of learning strategy or obtaining embarrassing comments as ammunition.

While the recordings may have been illegal, the court of public opinion fortunately does not have a pompous moderator in a bath robe instructing us to disregard inconvenient information, or directing that information stricken from the record.

Most citizens believe politicians are lying, scheming, low life scum, who would, in full view of the family, rip Grandma's gold teeth out of her head while lying in the casket, then deny having done so. Resorting to dubious attacks on character is also accepted as business as usual, but rarely have the opportunity to hear such tactics being discussed.

Bottom line, no matter how these recordings were obtained, the electorate now knows beyond a doubt of Senator McConnell's rather odious political scheming and dependence on character assassination than issues.

I hope this self serving career politician goes down in flames, done in by some damning evidence discovered, in a twist of fate, by the FBI while investigating the complaint.

An unguarded moment helped cement the downfall of Willard Romney. The same might result here. If we're lucky.

By: bfra on 4/10/13 at 4:58

Those unguarded moments usually tell the true nature of a person.

By: yogiman on 4/10/13 at 5:35

All politicians, especially the ones of the national level, see their position as a career opportunity and the congress of today has taken the attitude of rulers over us, the citizens of this nation.

To them, the Constitution doesn't seem to mean what our founders meant for it to mean when they wrote it.

By: Loner on 4/10/13 at 5:52

Good morning, Nashville.

I went to the main article:


I listened to the "secret" audio tape. Much ado about nothing. McConnell's hatchet men did their job...they researched Judd's public statements and they selected out of context items that they could oppose, refute, mock, denigrate and demonize....this is what politicians do all the time.

I patiently listened to the poor quality recording and did not hear any "bombshell" ...what I did hear was a room full of smug Republicans planning a character assassination on a potential political adversary....in other words, they are who we thought they are.

Since Judd has announced that she will not be a candidate, all of this is quite irrelevant. I.m glad that Judd withdrew...I do not like the idea of entertainers and sports heroes becoming lawmakers...it adds to the bread & circus image of the world's largest banana republic....we can do better.

By: Loner on 4/10/13 at 5:57

Before we proceed, what happened to yesterday's Up For Debate comment board?

Check it out...looks like they wiped the entire comment board:


Did I miss something? What's going on here?

By: Rasputin72 on 4/10/13 at 5:57

Class warfare takes no prisoners. This country is knee deep in class warfare. Yesterdayand the action taken by NCP is. no different than this McConnell bruhaha.

By: yogiman on 4/10/13 at 5:58

I agree, Loner, we can do better than [all] those we have in congress today. We need to find some who will do their job by following the Constitution, not using it as an entertainment rule.

By: Loner on 4/10/13 at 6:05

I have never seen an entire comment board wipe out like that before at this site...back when Clint Brewer ran the place, we had a purge...individual posters were banned and their entire verbal legacy here was expunged...self-included...the paper never fully recovered....looks like the censors are back....this is not a good sign, my friends....the Golden Age may be over....the NCP may be getting ready to try online suicide again?

Stand by to abandon ship.

By: Loner on 4/10/13 at 6:12

I left the board early yesterday....did any of you see something that may have caused the full wipe?

By: yogiman on 4/10/13 at 6:21

No, I was surprised, but since this is NCP's site, that was their right. I feel it to be a privilege to post on this board, not a right.

By: Rasputin72 on 4/10/13 at 6:23

LONER........I can only remember what was posted through 11 AM. Other than our usual exchange of opinions and insults I read nothing unusual.

I had assumed that the boatd was shut down becaise of one of your after lunch rants. Unless NEMO brought his IQ to the afternoon board I am at a loss for clues.

It must have been a doozy because NCP is very very toleramt with the 15 or 16 regulars.

By: yogiman on 4/10/13 at 6:35

I just read an interesting article, Loner. It shows you don't need Barry's birth certificate to find out who he is.


It puts it all on the table.

By: Loner on 4/10/13 at 6:38

After I left I never re-checked the board until late last night...it was gone...no explanation.

Before leaving that board, I left a draft of a 12-bar blues piece there...working title: "We don't need no income tax"....maybe that frosted somebody's cupcake?

Mister Big must have picked up the phone and chewed somebody's @ss off....there has to be a story here....never saw a board fully wiped like that before....what happened?

Webmaster...please explain, thank you.

By: Loner on 4/10/13 at 6:47

Yogi, that site is total BS...that article was a fresh cowpie...people who run those sites exploit guys like you...they feed you the BS and you regurgitate it on sites like this....you have been duped....what a sucker!

By: bfra on 4/10/13 at 6:48

Loner - I was hopeing they got tired of the stench from such comments as the 7:35AM one today. They smell up the board, have no factual backing & have been repeated over & over for over 4 1/2 years. Anyone has to be crazy to continue to post lies for that long.

By: Jughead on 4/10/13 at 6:52

Obama is not a US citizen.

By: bfra on 4/10/13 at 6:53

Neither is jughead!

By: BigPapa on 4/10/13 at 6:56

I dont understand the uproar, did Judd not think that all her character flaws woudn't be hashed over and exposed? That's what happens when you run for office. Hollywood and sports types are more than likely to have a longer public track record than your typical private citizen, so its only natural that the opposition do their homework.

By: govskeptic on 4/10/13 at 7:06

This recording did have some supposedly interesting statements that Ms. Judd
has made in the past about family and child bearing. Assuming those are true
she would have certainly had a problem explaining them to a large majority of
Ky voters.

As to the recording, in today's digital world the guy or gal standing
next to you can have a micro recording device and camera with pretty decent
audio and video in something as small as a pen in the breast pocket. Not a
fan of McConnell's for many years, but if it does turn out to be a planted bug in
this case, then a prosecution is in order if the perp is discovered.

By: Captain Nemo on 4/10/13 at 7:18

Who would benefit from this news? Why is it coming out now? Then there is only 11 min of this conversation. At first glance it seems to be staged and amateurish at best.

By: BenDover on 4/10/13 at 7:22

Loner's right. These guys play hard-ball. A recording of an Obama strategy meeting would not have Mr Wedge cautioning his staff about not going after Romney on any perceived weakness either.

By: yogiman on 4/10/13 at 7:38

Sorry, Loner,

You and your cohorts on this site are the suckers. Common sense, if you had any, would tell you your man would save a pile of money and prove his eligibility.

Common sense would also tell you his being born as a British subject would not give him natural born citizen status.

So tell me, why is he hiding all of his papers? Remember, putting all of his papers under lock and key withing 2 hours after being "sworn in"?

If you're a fellow communist with him and willing to become a servant to him, hang in there, Loner

And I'll repeat my biggest question, Loner: Why has congress let this happen? Why is the GOP putting Marco Rubio in the limelight? Apparently they've forgotten the constitutional qualifications

By: Captain Nemo on 4/10/13 at 7:47

As usual Ask01 spotlights critical views and with eloquence I might add.

Loner brings attention to McConnell character assassination plans. Does this mean that there was fear in his heart and that he has a problems?

And of course (or as yogi likes to put it; coarse) Rasputin manages to flaunt his imaginary wealth and adds nothing to the debate.

By: Captain Nemo on 4/10/13 at 7:48

So what happen yesterday?

By: yogiman on 4/10/13 at 7:51

A little more common sense, Loner, would tell you when Barry became an Indonesian citizen he lost his American citizenship. And if he was (which he wasn't) a natural born citizen, he lost that status and once you loose it, you cannot get it back.

So the question now is whether he's even an American citizen now. Or do we have an Indonesian citizen in the Oval Office.

By: yogiman on 4/10/13 at 7:56


You are the biggest joker on this site by ridiculing someone's misspelled word. You should learn to read and write in the English language before ridiculing someone else.

By: Captain Nemo on 4/10/13 at 8:01

Common sense is something you have none of yogi.

Perhaps if you would not through the stones of someone else grammar or typos you would not get them through back at you. And I might much better than you can ever.

By: yogiman on 4/10/13 at 8:13


By: Captain Nemo on 4/10/13 at 8:15

Captain Nemo ;-)

By: yogiman on 4/10/13 at 8:16

What did you "say", dumba$$? Sorry, I couldn't understand what you was posting. Or was you just trying to prove how dumb you are?

By: Captain Nemo on 4/10/13 at 8:23

So when yogi has the truth shoved in his face he then tries his silly little song and dance habit and not to face the facts of his inept ability of not understand cause and effect.

By: pswindle on 4/10/13 at 8:49

McConnell is just low-life. KY should wake up and realize that he killed all projects slated for KY to help bring it out of the recession. They need new bridges, roads and etc. He wanted to hurt the President more that he wanted to help the people of KY. Ashley Judd would have made a great Senator in representing the people and their needs of KY. Everyone has something in their past, but that should not keep them from holding office. I bet McConnell has a shady past. Why does someone not dig for it? It would be interesting.

By: bfra on 4/10/13 at 8:56

Anthony Weiner, the former congressman who was forced out of office after he was busted sexting with women who were not his wife, says he’s considering a run for New York City mayor this year.
Loner - Not much room to say anything about TN after this little news item.

By: Rocket99 on 4/10/13 at 9:04

Not sure if it's true in KY but, in TN only one party needs to be aware of a conversation being recorded. You do not have to divulge to everyone present that they are being recorded. So, if that's true in KY, then, most likely, the recording was not illegal.

Basically, I hope McConnell goes down in flames. He's one of the big roadblocks in DC. He's not there to serve the people. He's there to serve himself. He needs to go.

By: Rasputin72 on 4/10/13 at 9:09

Rocket99........I think most actions by people including yourself are self serving. There are too few humanitarians and good samaritans lke myself in this country.

By: dargent7 on 4/10/13 at 9:16

Mitch McConnel has to be the ugliest Congressman, ever.
He always looks like he just bit into a sour lemon.
He is living proof for term limits....8 years and you're OUT!

By: Captain Nemo on 4/10/13 at 9:16

By: Rasputin72 on 4/10/13 at 10:09
Rocket99........I think most actions by people including yourself are self serving. There are too few humanitarians and good samaritans lke myself in this country.

Another Rasputin lie. LOL

By: bfra on 4/10/13 at 9:18

Nemo - I was laughing too hard to respond on Raspy's lie!

By: dargent7 on 4/10/13 at 9:18

bfra: Weiner...? How about the black cocaine guy, Marion Barry?
Voters always give these slugs a 2nd, 3rd, 4th, chance.

By: BenDover on 4/10/13 at 9:20

By: yogiman on 4/10/13 at 9:13


"Denny Crane"

By: Captain Nemo on 4/10/13 at 9:23


By: Captain Nemo on 4/10/13 at 9:26

my yogi


By: bfra on 4/10/13 at 9:26

d7 - It really is hard to believe who some people will vote for.

By: yogiman on 4/10/13 at 9:30


Name one in DC who isn't there to serve themselves. Why would anyone spend millions to get a job paying thousands?

I'll argue there should be restrictions on who can finance a run for an office. After all, who are they going to (supposedly) represent when in office; a company, a corporation, or the people?

It seems the constitution is constipating them and they're looking for [financial] relief.

By: Captain Nemo on 4/10/13 at 9:37

I was surprise that no one caught this little tidbit Monday that Raspy posted. Rasputin forget that he suppose to be West Palm Beach and not in Palm Beach. LOL

Raspy old boy you never learn how to successful liar.

By: Rasputin72 on 4/8/13 at 11:44

This year I am extending my stay in "Palm Beach" until the first May. I have suggested to this forum that the only practical idea that would save this Republic might very well be to deny voting privileges to anyone 25 to 65 years of age who do not pay any federal income taxes.

By: dargent7 on 4/10/13 at 9:38

How about Orin Hatch? Who in the hell would name their kid, 'Orin"....unless you're a polygamist from Utah.

By: Rasputin72 on 4/10/13 at 9:56

NEMO......I am insulted that you do not see me as a humanitarian that I am.

The very idea of a person like you whom millions of my dollars have gone to support. The audacify of the underclass intellect is more than I can stand today.

I leave this site offended and departing for Augusta.

My goodness why must these people be allowed be breed.

By: Captain Nemo on 4/10/13 at 10:11

Why would you be insulted, Raspy old boy? Perhaps the insult is I see through your ruse and that I really know who and what you are. I have earn all that I have Raspy and have a nice busines.

The only way you will be in Augusta, in watching on TV or playing a computer game. Carry on game boy.

By: Captain Nemo on 4/10/13 at 10:14

BTW Which is it Raspy old boy. Is it West Palm Beach or is it Palm Beach?

By: brrrrk on 4/10/13 at 10:32

bfra said

"Those unguarded moments usually tell the true nature of a person."

Reminds me of the old saying....

"You can judge the character of a person not by what they do when someone is watching, but by what they do when someone isn't watching."