Up for Debate: Metro officers to carry own rifles

Tuesday, January 15, 2013 at 3:04am

What do you think of Chief Steve Anderson's announcement Monday that his department would begin allowing police officers to carry their own high-powered rifles on duty with training and approval? Is there any reason this shouldn't happen? Should the Metro Council or mayor decide on the policy change?

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By: Captain Nemo on 1/15/13 at 5:59

I think this is a good idea. Why shouldn't they be able to have the right equipment. However It would be the right for the tax payer to pay for the weapons.

By: Rasputin72 on 1/15/13 at 6:28

I think that Rat Nemovitz meant to say, "It would not be right for the taxpayers to pay for these weapons." Then again wo knows what lurks in the mind of the"little rat."

By: yogiman on 1/15/13 at 6:37

While the news article said the officers would furnish their own weapons, when would they need a rifle on an encounter?

A rifle is needed only for a police encounter of a distance like a raid or stand-off barricade. It is much more practical to use a pistol in an arm's length encounter in an arrest procedure of someone.

By: Captain Nemo on 1/15/13 at 6:40

Raspy old boy you still have no clue as to who I am. I know you think you know everything, but this is just killing you not knowing my identity.

By: Captain Nemo on 1/15/13 at 6:44

The right wing nuts like Rasputin wants the government to do everything for him, but he doesn't to pay for it.

What lurks in the tiny mind of a Far Ass Rat like Ratsputin?

By: Captain Nemo on 1/15/13 at 6:58

I wish I could kiss my own sweet ass.

Ray Cowbird.

By: bfra on 1/15/13 at 7:19

Raspy builds a figment of his imagination on this board & I do believe, fools himself into believing "anybody" believes his false illusions. Must be his form of DTs from all that cheap gin.

By: Captain Nemo on 1/15/13 at 7:29

bfr, Raspy had the illusion 40yrs ago, that he was destine for glory, but he never made it out of his pit.

By: bfra on 1/15/13 at 7:30

Nemo - I agree with you on this being a good idea. No, Karl & his puppet council should have no say, what so ever. Since when did the puppets display anything other than stupid obiedence for whatever their "master Karl" wanted, whether it was good for the public or not.

By: Captain Nemo on 1/15/13 at 7:41

I think there was something like this took place here a few years. The city could not afford automatic 9 mm hand guns, but the police officers could buy their own.

This seems to me like the school teachers having to buy school supplies with there own money, because of tax cuts.

By: Loner on 1/15/13 at 7:52

Good morning, Nashville.

Q: What do you think of Chief Steve Anderson's announcement Monday that his department would begin allowing police officers to carry their own high-powered rifles on duty with training and approval?

A: Grenade launchers, mortars, and fully-automatic firepower are what today's cops need....gunners are snapping all over the fruited plain....every cop needs to be a SWAT cop?

Nashville cops can now take their favorite shooting irons to work with them....coonskin caps, sheets & hoods, rebel flags, however must stay at home.

As for whose jurisdiction this policy change comes under, Metro or the Mayor, I'd say neither....as we have seen, the state of Tennessee has assumed all major decision-making duties for the cities within the state....from Charter Schools to GLBT issues....increasing or decreasing the firepower of cops on the streets is the Governor's decision to make....just ask him.

By: Loner on 1/15/13 at 7:59

New York Governor Cuomo has announced his intent to keep guns out of the hands of the bad guys....Tennessee's Governor Haslam should announce that, unlike Cuomo, he will put more guns in the hands of the good guys....starting with the cops.....the NRA would just eat that up....Haslam for POTUS?

By: Loner on 1/15/13 at 8:09

As a budgetary move, the Metro cops could start driving their own personal vehicles while on duty too....and use their own cell phones to communicate....and let's save on uniforms, by making them all plainclothesmen....criminals would be baffled, right? Of course, everybody else would also be bumfuzzled by the new "embedding" approach to police work....anybody might be a cop....this could keep honest citizens honest? It could certainly save the taxpayers some money....and that's the main priority with the penny-wise Tea Baggers.

By: Captain Nemo on 1/15/13 at 8:20

Good morning Loner. I like your idea about arming the NPD. lol

By: Loner on 1/15/13 at 8:22

Hopefully, ballistics tests will be made on all these personally-owned firearms, before the police are allowed to carry them on the job....to avoid a potential clusterf*ck down the road....once the lead starts flying, confusion naturally sets in...getting a ballistic signature for each and every personally owned firearm the cops take to work just makes sense.

By: Loner on 1/15/13 at 8:34

Good morning, Captain. SWAT is an acronym for Special Weapons And Tactics....with 300 million firearms in this country....and professional zealots fanning the flames of gun passion....and media-enabled copy-cat killers looking to go out in a blaze of glory....and with a global holy war raging, it only makes sense to militarize the cops....right?

Today, in a functional sense, every cop is a SWAT cop....or soon will be....they have the equipment and the training....they have the guts.....they get the glory....they are the "good guys".

By: budlight on 1/15/13 at 8:34

Loner on 1/15/13 at 7:59
New York Governor Cuomo has announced his intent to keep guns out of the hands of the bad guys...

Loner, how EXACTLY does Cuomo plan to do that? Do you think a "bad guy" will call the governor before he/she commits a crime with an illegal weapon?

Cuomo does one thing well: Run off at the mouth.

By: Loner on 1/15/13 at 8:43

I do not speak for the Governor....I did not vote for him...I reject dynastic democracy and Andrew Cuomo is former Governor Mario Cuomo's son.

Google it, Bud....I'm sure that the Gov has a master plan....he is a potential candidate for POTUS in 2016. Andrew is a smooth talker....and he is ambitious....a grand-stander....a wheeler and dealer.

By: slacker on 1/15/13 at 8:52

Sounds good to me... but hopefully this won't create jealously within the Fire Department...
with the Fireman demanding permission to bring their own specialized equipment to the job.
Loading all those odd looking ladders, hoses, axes, on the firetruck, might create a need for a new firetruck design.
That could get expensive, the authorities have to look at the big picture.

By: Loner on 1/15/13 at 9:07

Excellent point, Slacker...every fireman's personal hose is apt to be different....some prefer fishnets, others prefer sheer...therein lies the rub.

By: BenDover on 1/15/13 at 9:11

The trend toward Mad Max Paramilitary Police is absolutely abominable and should be nixed right away. It's getting totally out of hand.

The trend should be away from this polarizing and distancing Hollywood addled ideal of the bad-ass cop vs society.

By: Loner on 1/15/13 at 9:12

I've heard of BYOB and BYOE, but BYOG (Bring Your Own Gun) is something new and different....very innovative....creative thinking for sure....or is the Chief copy-catting this BYOG policy?

By: BenDover on 1/15/13 at 9:18

This para-military attitude of modern police needs a total re-evaluation. We've got 5% of the world's population and 25% of the world's prisoners. We need to tend back to 'protect and serve' and away from 'subdue and prosecute'.

http://pjmedia.com/instapundit/?s=no-knock

By: Loner on 1/15/13 at 9:21

Ben, get with the program....the cop cars today are really bad-ass....black & white Dodges, with Hemi V-8's under the hood and behind the "demolition derby" front super-bumper...the old gumball machines of old and the macho light bars are now low profile and stealthy....and these cruisers are packed with electronic gadgetry....shotgun(s) aboard, of course....and the cops are all wearing Kevlar vests these days....they'll have a "bear in the air" in minutes, if need be.....but it's for our own protection.....so relax, my friend...Big Brother will get the Bad Guys....so turn in your weapons.....heh, heh.

By: slacker on 1/15/13 at 9:25

Ben, decriminalizing recreational drugs would reduce that number.. and also end the drug wars in Mexico.

By: Captain Nemo on 1/15/13 at 9:35

Ben stands up for every nutty right winger to have a assault weapons but is afraid of the police being able to protect themselves and the public. This just has to be catalog with something bud and yogi would think. Sorry Ben, but you crossed over to the dark side with that.

By: BenDover on 1/15/13 at 9:39

I've been behind that for a long time, slack. Another problem though is we've got an army of new young men coming out of the police academies with an us vs. them mentality previously reserved for roles like asshole prison guards.

The new culture and their training focuses them, full Machiavelli, in the subdue vs. support attitude and every one is trying to make a name for himself and the culture culls and fosters a perpetual increase in this attitude.

Municipalities have been turned into fiefdoms where police is the self-sustaining revenue generator and the new little brown-shirts alternate between being tax assessors and tactical dissident suppression officers.

Our 'justice' system is anti-lottery for anyone who falls afoul of it with arrest, prosecution, incarceration and revolving-door probation rules; destroying the lives of the poor, undisciplined, unorganized and non-conformists alike... where malice is actually in the minority of inmates anymore... well until they get a taste of our modern new 'tough on crime' prison camps anyway.

Give the beat cops AR15's? F*ck that.

By: BenDover on 1/15/13 at 9:42

I've come to believe that it depends on who you trust most, Nemo. The individual or the collective. My study of history teaches that mobs are a dangerous thing Nemo.

By: Loner on 1/15/13 at 9:48

Ben, the 1st amendment was trashed, when we Established the Jewish State, using US taxpayer's money. Other examples abound.

...nobody is worried about the federal government quartering troops in private homes, so the 3rd amendment is inviolate and uncontested.

....the 4th amendment was trashed, because of the war on drugs and the war on terror.

....today, pleading the 5th amendment is tantamount to admitting guilt, thanks to the war on drugs and the war against drunk drivers.

....the 6th amendment guarantees a speedy trial; of course, that's a joke.

....the 7th amendment gives you the right to a trial by jury, but don't opt for that, or you will probably do time and lose your money....lots of money.

...the 8th amendment is about cruel and unusual punishments and excessive bail, again lofty idealism, now trumped by reality.

...the 9th amendment is more lofty but fuzzy language about the People retaining rights that are not enumerated....that's happy horseshit in this day and age.

....the 10th amendment was more lofty stuff about the People retaining powers not delegated to the state or federal governments.

My point is, why should the 2nd amendment be immune to interpretation and limitations, based upon what is reasonable and practical? The rest of the Bill of Rights have certainly been "tweaked", or rendered moot...why not so, with the 2nd amendment?

By: Captain Nemo on 1/15/13 at 9:56

I agree with that Ben. Mobs are only good as to who is leading. But arming the masses with assault weapons and not law enforcement is giving that very “Mob” the right to do as to whoever is leading the mob at the time.

Not giving the police the proper equipment or letting them get their hands on that gear is giving mob rule the opportunity to be a “Mob of law breakers.” I trust the government more that I do that “Mob.”

By: Loner on 1/15/13 at 9:57

Ben wrote: Another problem though is we've got an army of new young men coming out of the police academies with an us vs. them mentality previously reserved for roles like asshole prison guards.

Of course, the armed usurper troll comes to mind...former prison guard, now wallowing in hateful obsession....convinced that President Obama was born in Kenya, in a mud hut...Kunta Kinte style....but he claims that he is NOT a racist.

By: BenDover on 1/15/13 at 9:58

Because the violent crime rate here is 1/3 of what it is in the UK, loner?

The fact that your neighbor might be lawfully armed and that you might be lawfully armed has a substantial effect on criminal behavior.

Because that's the reason our country has never been invaded by ground forces in modern history.

And because it's the fire-wall that keeps our government from eventually evolving into a totalitarian state for our own good.

By: slacker on 1/15/13 at 10:06

I don't know.. but suspect, that some officers were probably already carrying an semi-auto rifle in their car trunk. I don't blame them, its dangerous on the streets.
As long as the weapons are secure in the vehicle, I don't see that its a problem.

By: Captain Nemo on 1/15/13 at 10:08

Ben I am with in the law as to being armed to protect myself. This is about the police being properly armed to protect themselves and the public. I don't want some crazy like yogi and p3 shooting at someone who is different that what they seem fit to think normal.

The fact that the police need to be able to do their job and "We've got 5% of the world's population and 25% of the world's prisoners." are two seprate issues.

By: BenDover on 1/15/13 at 10:17

It's the same issue nemo. The 'us vs. them' mentality is the problem. These guys have freakin' armored vehicles, SWAT teams and in some cases attack helicopters a radio message away.

If you look at the number of Cops who flip out and lose it compare to the population at large you'll find you're much safer among the red-necks.

By: BenDover on 1/15/13 at 10:18

http://www.cato.org/publications/white-paper/overkill-rise-paramilitary-police-raids-america

By: yogiman on 1/15/13 at 10:33

Loner,

Have you read your beloved usurper's autobiography? I have. You should. Then tell me what he was lying about in his autobiography.

I've also not been able to get an answer to my question why the Senate concluded John McCain was a natural born citizen according to the requirements of the Constitution to run for president because both of his parents were American citizens.

On what basis then, how did they conclude Barack Obama was also constitutionally eligible for the office with one American parent and one British subject parent?

I'd sure appreciate your logical answer.

By: slacker on 1/15/13 at 10:34

Who's gonna deal with the dangerous people Ben?
Are you gonna call out the redneck vigilantes?

By: Captain Nemo on 1/15/13 at 10:36

At this time I still trust the police more than the mob. Too many crazies in a mob and they are willing to bring down the law for their personal gains, Ben.

By: Captain Nemo on 1/15/13 at 10:39

I'm afraid Ben thinks that he alone can save the world. That is the problem with Red Neck thinking they don't.

By: slacker on 1/15/13 at 10:42

Nemo, just don't deputize anyone who posts on this board.
Maybe deputize Burch, he'll talk em' down, and sentence them to his rehab village in Centennial park. lol

By: slacker on 1/15/13 at 10:44

Don't shoot!!!!! I'm sure we can reason this out.
-Mikey

By: Loner on 1/15/13 at 10:50

Ben, in the UK, a pillow-fight is reported as a "violent crime"....remember, we are talking about the effete British here.

By: Loner on 1/15/13 at 10:53

Skack: Couple of rifle-toting Nashville cops, on the way home from work, drop in for a drink at a gay piano bar....

By: slacker on 1/15/13 at 10:55

Ben, I'll take the job as Top Vigilante.. but I'm gonna need a battalion of female deputies, an armoured car with a chauffeur that won't snitch.
Also a lot of liquor, and a shoe box full of amphetamines.

By: slacker on 1/15/13 at 10:57

The Fuzz are courteously served a gin fizz.. by the lovely Jodie Foster.

By: BenDover on 1/15/13 at 11:07

Mysterious guest at the end of bar orders some Fava beans and a nice Chianti.

By: BenDover on 1/15/13 at 11:10

it's not that I don't want cops with guns Slack... but I think we've got enough of the para-military already.

I'm not talking about absolutes but the relative direction from a point to which we've already traveled.

If they need back-up they can call in Smyrna's SWAT team.

By: Loner on 1/15/13 at 11:12

Ben sounds the rebel yell, as he dutifully declares, "...it's (the second amendment's) the fire-wall that keeps our government from eventually evolving into a totalitarian state for our own good."

Fire-wall or fire-starter, Ben? In 1861, the seceding states concluded that the duly elected federal government in Washington, DC had evolved into a totalitarian state; so they took up arms against the USA, using their "well-regulated militia"...they tried the "2nd amendment solution" to their gripes & grievances....618,000 died in the ensuing war.

IMO, the 2nd amendment should have been abolished when the South seceded from the union, but, apparently, nobody saw this cause and effect relationship at the time....nobody "connected the dots", as they say. So this dangerous anachronism still poses a threat to individuals and to the union of states.

The Founders never intended the 2nd amendment to provide justification and constitutional grounding for armed insurrection against the federal government, or any government....the purpose of the amendment was to have a citizen's army ready to mobilize, in case of foreign invasion....and as the Whiskey Rebellion proved, it was also put there to prevent or defend the federal government from armed insurrection, it was not put there to condone or promote it.

By: BenDover on 1/15/13 at 11:14

Geezzz... even La Vergne's got a SWAT team. wtf?