Up for Debate: MNPS's $3.4M question

Monday, October 22, 2012 at 1:27am

What do you think Metro Nashville Public Schools should do in the wake of the state withholding $3.4 million in funding?

135 Comments on this post:

By: pswindle on 10/22/12 at 9:03

The state stepped on the local school board. This was a decision that the MNPS School Board had the right to make about the Great Hearts Academy. Just because the state wants to put public school education out of business. This is the goal of the GOP to educate the few and not the masses. There was something wrong with Great Hearts and I congratulate the local school board in standing up to protect our kids. This is a prime example of taking from the the public and giving to the private. Who do you think will walk off with most of the money? Why do you think that Great Hearts was pushing so hard sto get thier foot in Davidson County? They check to see what counties are having some problems and they swoop in and take control of the money. Metro can fix its own problems with the right leadership. Maybe, we should look at the leader of Metro's Schools.

By: BenDover on 10/22/12 at 9:08

It is meaningless because your vote against Mitt ain't gonna count for d*ck because the Tennessee Democratic party has imploded to the point that the electors are no longer up for grabs.

How do you not nurture a candidate who will foster turn-out in a state-wide Senate race when you are so far back in the polls that your electors won't count?

The candidates down the ballot are screwed. No reason to turn out for president... no reason to turn out for Senate.

Makes you wonder if the republicans are matching that ridiculous 'merit' increase the Democratic party bigwigs gave to the Chipster after the 2010 Republican landslide.

By: BenDover on 10/22/12 at 9:11

So, Ummm, why do you tote all this water for free when the guy who gets paid for it takes a dive?

By: Ummm... on 10/22/12 at 9:20

Little Bennie, Little Bennie, my vote for president won't count, as you say, because of the archaic electoral college system which also renders the votes of your fellow Teapublicans in states like New York and California worthless. Nevertheless, my criticisms of Willard are valid. As to why I "tote all this water" for free- I guess the best answer I can give you is that the truth is the truth, and bull$*#t is bull$*#t. When I hear you and your buddies regurgitating so much of the latter, I feel compelled to point out the former.

By: bfra on 10/22/12 at 9:22

So Ben, if our votes don't count, why are you forever discouraging people to vote? I promote. every registered voter to vote, that is their right & they should use it. Do you really think your little discouragements, you continuously put on this board, will deter 1 vote? Smug?

By: bobteague on 10/22/12 at 9:31


We know that achievement gaps can be closed when students are in small classes (15 students or fewer in each), with 1.5 effective teachers (accounting for English learners and exceptional education), for 9-10 hours of instruction per day.

In fact, Nashville has schools which offer these attributes with MNPS Enhanced Option Schools, Charter Schools, and intense before and after school assistance.

The situation is that this solution is not scalable. There are not enough empty seats in classrooms, not enough effective teachers, not enough schools, and not enough money to pay for the additional teachers, transportation, classrooms, schools, etc. Cities have even tried this (e.g. Rockford, IL, and New Orleans, LA) and they quickly learned that it is an unaffordable and therefore impractical solution.

Great Hearts was asked on more than one occasion to amend their application to address the concerns of the Metro Board of Education. Great Hearts said publicly that they HAD plans for transportation and WOULD address diversity concerns.

So why didn't they just amend their application accordingly and re-submit it to the MBOE, instead of calling on political leaders, media and TN Board of Education?

When they presented their case before the TBOE, they stated that they HAD amended their application, addressed the concerns and that the MBOE rejection was biased and unfounded. MBOE made its case before the TBOE that Great Hearts had NOT amended its application to address the concerns as requested. In other words, Great Hearts misrepresented their case to the TBOE and were found out. TBOE required their application be approved by MBOE with the same concerns (as contingencies) to be addressed. (Great Hearts appeal took all of 18 minutes.)

It is possible that Great Hearts thought (or expected or assumed) it would get approval for 5 future (unspecified) locations, no questions asked, no matter what. Instead, it received the same thoughtfully rigorous MBOE application process as other charter operators. It is possible early promises were made to Great Hearts outside of the MBOE process and that there is an underlying cause for the political appointees to fine MBOE for exposing their broken promises. Why punish MBOE?

It is my understanding that the TBOE has oversight over local school boards, BUT the law reads that ONLY local boards can approve charter applications and 'charter' a school. Our politicians are now searching for a legislative move to a state-wide charter authority that takes decisions away from the local control of elected officials.

By: slacker on 10/22/12 at 9:31

Some pundits are saying that Romney might win the popular vote, but lose the electoral college.
It depends on whose ox is being gored. No pun on Al intended.

By: BenDover on 10/22/12 at 9:32

I'm not discouraging anyone. It's Forrester who let the state slip to the point where your vote against Mitt won't matter not me.

Why do you people have no criticism for him for such a dismal performance as the Democratic Party Chairman? How can the local party offices still support him when he brought nothing to the state-wide ballot to drive turn-out?

What's with having to rely on spooking the public with the opposition rather than having something about your presidential candidate to vote FOR? You have to have something to vote FOR to turn out votes. Everyone knows that and good people down the ballot on the Democratic ticket in Tennessee are suffering horribly for it.

Why are you guys wasting your time condemning Mittens when that race is already over in Tennessee? Why are you not focusing on a strategy to try to turn Tennessee back into a two party state again?

By: BenDover on 10/22/12 at 9:40

And just to clarify, if Bredesen runs against Romney and Romney hasn't done what he said he'd do about the economy I'll be behind Bredesen next time.

I have no problem with Tennessee Democrats. I voted for Bredesen every time for Governor. I voted for Doug Henry for State Senate. I wanted to vote for Harold Jr. over Corker but with control of the Senate hanging in the balance I had to go with Corker.

With the exception of the push for state income tax (and I know Sundquist was governor at the time) I like the Tennessee Democratic party.

By: Ummm... on 10/22/12 at 9:43

When Tennessee voted for Bush over Gore in 2000, it provided ample proof that the ignorant had a majority in this state, and it has remained so. When people are so easily led into voting against their own best interests, trying to turn Tennessee "back into a two party state again" would require the kind of hypocrisy the Teapublicans engage in, and let's face it, when it comes to that- they are the masters. The only way Tennessee will be a "blue" state again is through education- now whether that comes from schooling or from the learning that takes place when the Teapublicans make a complete mess of everything, only time will tell.

By: Captain Nemo on 10/22/12 at 9:43

If that happens slacker, I suppose you could say that Revenge is best served cold.

By: Captain Nemo on 10/22/12 at 9:46

It started with Ned , Ben.

By: Captain Nemo on 10/22/12 at 9:47

Chip is just a dip.

By: slacker on 10/22/12 at 9:50

Never hire anyone named ''Chip'' or ''Scooter.''

By: BenDover on 10/22/12 at 9:53


By: BenDover on 10/22/12 at 9:59

Al Gore was a walking tool who became a caricature of the muppet Beaker ... except Beaker was less strident.

Tennessee voted Gore down because he was another entrenched insider who lived in DC on the public dime for far too long.

By: Ummm... on 10/22/12 at 10:04

Your "Pew Research" was chosen by the right-wing site you linked to, just to try and denigrate Democrats, Little Bennie. But the truth is that people who identify themselves as "Republican" tend to be from higher-income, more "priveliged" social strata (imagine that)- so it's only natural that those people would test better. OK, myth debunked, got anything else?

By: Ummm... on 10/22/12 at 10:08

Tennessee voted Gore down because they liked the idea of being part of "Bush Country," and couldn't see the advantage of having a Tennessean in the White House- worked out really well for us, didn't it?

By: BenDover on 10/22/12 at 10:14

Actually the NRA brought Gore down in Tennessee but that's another topic.

One would think that a better informed population would be better for the country Ummm. Maybe you prefer misinformed?

By: Ummm... on 10/22/12 at 10:27

Since those who identify themselves asTeapublicans represent a much smaller portion of the country's voters than those who identify themselves as Democrats, it seems logical to assume there are more well informed Democrats than Republicans anyway, Little Bennie. Skewing the meaning of a Pew Research study to match your skewed worldview is pretty predicatble for a true-blue (or, I guess, true-red) Teapublican.

By: Ummm... on 10/22/12 at 10:28

Sorry, s/h/b "predictable."

By: Ummm... on 10/22/12 at 10:37

Little Bennie says, "Actually the NRA brought Gore down in Tennessee but that's another topic."

I'm sure you'll forgive me for not accepting your "thoughtful and cogent" post-election analysis, won't you? Pfft-

By: BenDover on 10/22/12 at 10:42

Yep... and just think how great it would be in the county if the Chipster and Obama had given you guys something to vote FOR.

By: Ummm... on 10/22/12 at 10:48

Oh, there's plenty to vote for (no caps required), Little Bennie: available healthcare, forward-looking energy policy, preservation of Medicare and Social Security, renewed global esteem, etc., etc.- but I'll grant you that most Democrats are FOR keeping Romney and Ryan as far from the White House as possible- and with good reason.

By: bfra on 10/22/12 at 10:54

Ben - Don't worry, combover Trump (probably 1 of your favorites), has something BIG (again) about the President & he is going to reveal it probably Wed.. LMAO!

By: Ummm... on 10/22/12 at 10:55

I hadn't heard about that bfra- should be a hoot!

By: bfra on 10/22/12 at 10:58

I just saw it on the internet. Trump is a hoot!

By: BenDover on 10/22/12 at 11:00

Don't believe me about Gore in 2000... that was Bill Clinton's assessment too.

By: Ummm... on 10/22/12 at 11:01

Little Bennie's "voter fraud:"


By: Ummm... on 10/22/12 at 11:02

Good to know you take Clinton's word as gospel, Little Bennie. Guess you'll be voting for Obama, too.

By: bfra on 10/22/12 at 11:05

Ben - If combover Trump had been the Teapublican's candidate, would you have voted for him?

By: slacker on 10/22/12 at 11:12

bfra, rumor has it, that ''The Donald'', has Obama's real birth certificate hidden in his hair. He's gonna whip it out on one of the Fox shows on wed.
Be there!

By: yogiman on 10/22/12 at 11:18

Excuse me, Ummm,

I didn't know there was a Teapublican until the 2010 vote. I didn't name the party because I thought Florida was the last vote counted and questioned and Gore could only come up the loser. Al Can't stand to loose, can he?

The biggest difference would have been; Al would have been our first communist president instead of Barry Soetoro.

By: Ummm... on 10/22/12 at 11:21

No way that's happening, slacker- he would risk messing his hair up on live TV- heaven forbid!

By: yogiman on 10/22/12 at 11:25

If you don't vote, you have no gripe about who won the election. And I know who's going to win in Smith County this time because I voted Thursday. I wanted to make sure I wasn't dead before the vote was over.

By: Ummm... on 10/22/12 at 11:26

More likely trump will pull the "real" birth certificate out of his...nevermind.

By: bfra on 10/22/12 at 11:26


LOL - slacker & Ummm

By: Ummm... on 10/22/12 at 11:27

Yogi voted- another vote for that fine, upstanding hypocrite, Scott Desjarlais.

By: bfra on 10/22/12 at 11:29

My own nickname for Trump is "fishmouth". The way he purses his lips, looks just like my pond Koi when they want to be fed.:-)

By: Ummm... on 10/22/12 at 11:29

Wait a minute, I guess Yogi got to vote for that unquestioned genius, Diane Black instead of Desjarlais- what a shame.

By: Ummm... on 10/22/12 at 11:36

The great thing about Trump is that he doesn't realize that he comes across as a buffoonish clown. You can't buy entertainment like that...

By: bfra on 10/22/12 at 11:46

Trump doesn't even have to open his mouth, just his looks are buffoonish, but when he talks, that leaves no questions.

By: yogiman on 10/22/12 at 11:52

Well, Ummm,

I didn't vote for (what's his name) because he's not in my district. And Diana Black? After the first bill she voted for was to raise my grand children's debt to a whopping [wham, damn, hot damn] amount before they are even old enough to vote? She doesn't need to serve another term and cost us that much more money.

And no, I didn't vote for your boy Barry Soetoro. I prefer my President being in office legally.

By: bfra on 10/22/12 at 12:01


By: brrrrk on 10/22/12 at 12:16

Ben's trying to pull a Paul Weyrich.... trying to convince Democrats they don't have to vote (therefore not voting for Democratic down ballot candidates) because Obama can't win Tennessee. "S" and "S"..... slick and slimy. Karl Rove would be proud...

By: brrrrk on 10/22/12 at 12:27

Can a businessman help the economy? For presidents, the answer has been no.


By: BenDover on 10/22/12 at 12:44

You don't need me to convince Democrats in Tennessee not to vote brrrrk. Your boy Chip Forrester has that one firmly in hand since Jan 2009.

Add that to Obama's dismal performance and serial excuse-mongering and it's no wonder the fall-back strategy is the "Romney is the Devil!" campaign to try to salvage votes.

By: brrrrk on 10/22/12 at 12:59

Down Ben, down.... you'll get saliva all over your shirt!!

By: BenDover on 10/22/12 at 1:04

lol brrrrrk

So what do you think the Don's got under his rug?

By: Captain Nemo on 10/22/12 at 1:08

Sheriff Roy’s idiot son drove him to drinking moonshine whiskey and laughing and playing with women at the Honkey Tonks.