Up for Debate: Moving forward after Newtown

Monday, December 17, 2012 at 1:31am

How should the nation move forward after the Newtown killings? How should the nation's laws regarding firearms be affected? What do you hope comes out of such a tragic loss of lives?

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251 Comments on this post:

By: bfra on 12/17/12 at 10:58

Anybody think ENN might have taken the place of a troll that is missing lately? MO is about the same.

By: Captain Nemo on 12/17/12 at 10:59

You stand and attitude Ben makes you as guilty as the shooter. Your defense of having more guns than one man could ever use is farther proof that you would have ever child killed just for your own selfish explanation.

By: Loner on 12/17/12 at 11:01

Yogi is too ignorant to pull off a dual identity scam, Bfra...but his kids may have helped him out with his PC skills...after they got back from the shooting range....Yogi could have attracted a mate? Birds of a feather do flock together.

By: Captain Nemo on 12/17/12 at 11:01

Wouldn't put it pass him, bfra.

By: Captain Nemo on 12/17/12 at 11:03

It is not yogi, Loner. Not rich enough in brains.

By: bfra on 12/17/12 at 11:03

Loner & Nemo - That wasn't my first guess.

By: Captain Nemo on 12/17/12 at 11:04

Who ever or what ever it is, I'm just ignoring it.

By: Captain Nemo on 12/17/12 at 11:07

Oh do you that dull wit, that thinks it is sharp?

I'm still going to ignore it.

By: parnell3rd on 12/17/12 at 11:08

Loner's 10:13 post shows the he/she is just as unstable as the shooter. You want violence for violence? You place the blame on anything other than the Murdered. Your just as sick as he is!

By: slacker on 12/17/12 at 11:10

My bookie is a Mayan, he predicts every fri... that I'll owe him money on mon.
No doubt this incident, will result in congress passing some type of additional gun laws.

Fine by me, it will demonstrate we care. But the reality is, that there are millions of weapons in this country, that are not going to disappear.

Perhaps the entertainment industry should look into the violent video games, and movies they produce. 99.9 % percent of the children & adults that view those games, laugh them off as entertainment, but they probably do give the nutters idea's.

By: parnell3rd on 12/17/12 at 11:16

gdia, assault weapons were never banned. Only high capacity magazines were banned, and bayonet lugs were banned on rifles.
The USA has 22,000 gun laws. Which one of those laws were broken? Several.
Which on of those laws stopped this crime? None.
Murder is against the law. How does that stop people from murdering each other?
Driving while intoxicated is against the law. How does that stop drunk driver's from killing innocent people?
1,000 people have died this year in Tennessee in vehicle accident's. Is it the fault of the vehicle or the Person driving?

By: bfra on 12/17/12 at 11:17

slacker - You are right-on about the violence that children are allowed to watch. Adults should have more sense, but it is a proven fact they don't & most grew up watching violence.

By: brrrrk on 12/17/12 at 11:19

parnell3rd said

"Loner's 10:13 post shows the he/she is just as unstable as the shooter. You want violence for violence? You place the blame on anything other than the Murdered. Your just as sick as he is!"

Rights are not absolute... they go hand in hand with responsibility. That's why, even though we have the freedom of speech, it's illegal to shout fire in a crowded movie theater. In my opinion any gun owner who refuses to secure their weapon at ALL times and allows that gun to be used to commit a murder is just a responsible as the shooter.... period! I'm sick and tired of the rights of the rest of us to "Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness" being held hostage by people who are afraid of their own shadows.

By: parnell3rd on 12/17/12 at 11:22

We live in a country that requires us to wear a seatbelt while driving our cars or trucks. But when you put your children on a schoolbus, were are the seatbelts?

By: brrrrk on 12/17/12 at 11:24

parnell3rd said

"We live in a country that requires us to wear a seatbelt while driving our cars or trucks. But when you put your children on a schoolbus, were are the seatbelts?"

You can't fix everything.... so what's another 20 first graders?

By: BenDover on 12/17/12 at 11:24

When you've got, even on this little forum, blanketnazi calling for the use of disaster preparedness as reasonable cause for search and seizure... and god only knows what further measures against those societal menaces; it makes you understand that 'common sense' measures like gun registration and arbitrary restrictions are just incremental steps toward a greater goal.

We've nuts like Harry Belafonte calling for Obama to imprison dissenters -- such radical ideas are not without much historical precedent. The control nuts are never satisfied with the ground they've gained. They'll just keep on and on relentlessly until their totalitarian dreams are recognized.

By: parnell3rd on 12/17/12 at 11:25

then brrrk why don't we ban vehicles because drunk driver's kill people?
We live in a country that puts a rich athelete in jail for murdering dogs, but when the same rich athelets drive drunk and murder people they do not recieve jail time.

By: Loner on 12/17/12 at 11:25

Ballad of the NRA (In memory of the victim's in Newtown, CT) -

Here's the story about something sad.
About a good thing, that went bad.
About a right, that went wrong.
About the dance and the song.

I'm talking about the NRA,
The lobbying guys who pay to play
With BS, bluster & bloviation.
That's the National Rifle Association.

They claim to be crusaders, with lofty goals,
But they are just Nuts, Rednecks & A-holes.
Well, the NRA may have Congress on the take,
But they gotta go, for the children's sake.

new_york_loner

By: parnell3rd on 12/17/12 at 11:26

I keep my property locked up every day. Stealing is against the law. Does that stop theft of property?

By: brrrrk on 12/17/12 at 11:26

BenDover said

"The control nuts are never satisfied with the ground they've gained."

Like.....?

By: bfra on 12/17/12 at 11:28

brrrrk - I would like to see the answer to that, also.

By: parnell3rd on 12/17/12 at 11:29

New york Loner,
Handguns have been illigal in NYC since the Sullivan act passed in the 1930's. What is your handgun violence rate? Does your laws prevent crime? Why just last week a man was executed on a busy NYC sidewalk.
Did you go on a ranting rage then?

By: brrrrk on 12/17/12 at 11:35

parnell3rd said

"then brrrk why don't we ban vehicles because drunk driver's kill people?"

Well, if you look at statistics, fatalities as a result of drunk driving have decreased significantly over the years... as have driving fatalities in general (mostly due to increased safety features... and yes, reduced speed limits). Will all fatalities from automobile accidents ever disappear? No. But at the same time it makes absolutely no sense to do nothing. Your argument is a false equivalency at best.... especially when you consider that when an automobile is used properly no one is hurt, but when a gun is used properly, something dies.

By: Captain Nemo on 12/17/12 at 11:35

Our little mini troll tries to make sense of his madness but only drools in hysterics. Your point is lost on the tip of your pointed head.

Approximately 35,000 people die in motor vehicle crashes each year. About 50 percent (17,000) of these people could be saved if they wore their safety belts.

http://www.jmu.edu/safetyplan/vehicle/generaldriver/safetybelt.shtml

By: Loner on 12/17/12 at 11:39

Parnell has nothing more to add than stale, false metaphors.

He does not understand that automobiles are not designed to kill living things...guns are.
We regulate motor vehicles and their operators because, cars can kill...although that is not their design intent. Nobody has a right to operate a motor vehicle...it is an earned privilege which can be revoked.

If we regulate things like automobiles and drivers, it only makes sense that society should regulate firearms and those who produce, sell and own them...after all, guns are designed to kill, that is their primary function.

The 2nd Amendment is obsolete and a dangerous anachronism...something that should have been repealed when the Southern States used their firearms to revolt against the United States of America and its constitution.

The South resorted to a "Second Amendment Solution"....and we can see what that led to...and still, in spite of the carnage and destruction, we did not learn much....the rebel-friendly Amendment is still on the books.

Today, the NRA is very strong in the Old Confederacy states....the secession-friendly states....let's disarm the potential rebels now, before it's too late.

By: Captain Nemo on 12/17/12 at 11:40

Gosh this little mini troll sure does squeallike a stuck pig.

By: brrrrk on 12/17/12 at 11:41

You know, the right likes to harp on the numbers of murders and gun crimes in cities like New York, Chicago and L.A....... but what we never hear is the percentage based on the population. I bet any money that when it's all said and done, the percentage of people killed in Nashville every day is not that much lower than the percentage of people killed in some of these very large cities.

By: Eye Nose & Now ... on 12/17/12 at 11:41

If we learnsn people like Yogiman about tolerance every thing be ok

By: bfra on 12/17/12 at 11:42

p3 is just on his usual inane rants, guess he will start on dog bites next.

By: brrrrk on 12/17/12 at 11:43

Eye Nose & Now ... said

"If we learnsn people like Yogiman about tolerance every thing be ok"

Another fine example of performance art from Eye Nose & Duh!!!

By: Captain Nemo on 12/17/12 at 11:43

Loner like most paranoia trolls, p3 has to come on strong, because his thought is sofa on capital.

By: bfra on 12/17/12 at 11:45

From what I have read, the Mother of the killer had a mental problem also.

By: yogiman on 12/17/12 at 11:46

budlight,

You ask; "How do we build a society that that doesn't want to harm others?" My answer is get new legislators and make sure they aren't communists inclined with government control.

The legislature today don't feel they are our servants. They feel, and act, as our masters.

By: Captain Nemo on 12/17/12 at 11:48

Seatbelts saves lives, p3. But if you are one of many that don’t ware them while riding, then Darwin’s theory hold true.

By: Loner on 12/17/12 at 11:48

The "well-regulated militia" idea failed miserably, when the state militia went to war against each other in 1861....the idea actually backfired....the Second Amendment should have been struck down while the treasonous rebels were not occupying their Congressional seats...that was the golden opportunity....the readmitted states now block any meaningful reform on this and other issues....of course, hindsight is 20-20.

By: brrrrk on 12/17/12 at 11:49

bfra said

"From what I have read, the Mother of the killer had a mental problem also."

Well then, it's great to see that all those guns laws we have on the books are working.

By: bfra on 12/17/12 at 11:50

The Second Amendment does not need to be struck down. It needs to be amended!

By: brrrrk on 12/17/12 at 11:52

Captain Nemo said

"Seatbelts saves lives, p3. But if you are one of many that don’t ware them while riding, then Darwin’s theory hold true."

Oh, and don't forget to disable your airbags as well.... we wouldn't want you saved by some type of unreasonable government intervention.....

By: bfra on 12/17/12 at 11:54

brrrrk - I am sure that all of these people that knew of her obsession with guns , her taking this son for gun training & his access to the guns would never have uttered a word, as long as she was living. There lies some of the problem.

By: Captain Nemo on 12/17/12 at 11:57

Of course this would cost money to do and maintain, which the Conservatives would fight tooth and nail.

Someone else tooth and nail.

Could the nation's mental health services be improved in the wake of the Connecticut school shooting?
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2012/12/16/newtown-mental-health/1773479/

By: Loner on 12/17/12 at 11:57

Poster idea:

Imagine this image:

http://collaborationnation.wikispaces.com/file/view/civil_war_soldiers-union_confederate.gif/143645901/civil_war_soldiers-union_confederate.gif

With the following text:

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Other similar images could also work well with that text.

By: yogiman on 12/17/12 at 12:01

Loner,

'Obama' may be a great president to you but I'll repeat my argument; You don't know who in the hell he is. And as I said at his beginning, he's the best damn actor I've seen on TV in many years. And one of the best liars, also.

You say he won't have another election. I've got news for you, fella. He doesn't think he will need one because he's on his way now to his takeover as dictator. And I hope the hell I'm wrong.

Why was the first move he made after the last election his move with the UN on gun control? Tell me, when has 'Obama' ever mentioned the Constitution? Please refresh my memory.

Unless you and your fellow posters on this site are communist in line with him, you had better wake up, Loner.

By: bfra on 12/17/12 at 12:04

Total disgust!

By: brrrrk on 12/17/12 at 12:04

Perfect example of someone who shouldn't have a gun.....

By: Blanketnazi2 on 12/17/12 at 12:05

Exactly.

By: bfra on 12/17/12 at 12:05

brrrrk - Not even a slingshot!

By: brrrrk on 12/17/12 at 12:08

bfra said

"The Second Amendment does not need to be struck down. It needs to be amended!"

It needs to be followed..... all of it. And if reasonable people refuse to, then I'm afraid it will get amended.

By: Loner on 12/17/12 at 12:11

I said my piece...I even composed a ballad and posted it at 11:25...I offered an image/text virtual poster....I exposed a racist troll for what he is...and I dealt with a racist homophobe....that's enough for now.

Today is Protest Monday...I'll be manning my sign...walking the walk to go along with the talk.

It's time to come together, as a nation, and do the right thing for the kids...and for the general public...time to re-examine the so-called, "gun-owner's rights"....this "right' has been abused one time too many...the tipping point has been reached...the NRA is going to be put on the ropes...they have over-reached...a backlash is overdue....a tsunami of public outrage is building and rolling ashore.... and it's about time.

By: Captain Nemo on 12/17/12 at 12:14

When faced with the truth the paranoia and rightwing nuts will changed the subject.

Cars seatbelts, butterflies flapping wings in a rain forest, the South should have won the war. There will be no hope for a cure or answers to this, until all of the emotionally disturbed people are rounded up, can we then begin to start rehabilitating.

As long as there are people that fear their own shadows, there will calamites has this in our future.

By: bfra on 12/17/12 at 12:15

brrrrk - When the Second Amendment was written, we did not have the type of assault weapons that are available today.