Up for Debate: Moving forward after Newtown

Monday, December 17, 2012 at 1:31am

How should the nation move forward after the Newtown killings? How should the nation's laws regarding firearms be affected? What do you hope comes out of such a tragic loss of lives?

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251 Comments on this post:

By: Captain Nemo on 12/17/12 at 1:26

I think it is about time that the Republican did some alteration and cut the fringe, Loner.

By: Captain Nemo on 12/17/12 at 1:30

I disagree with you on that point, gdia. There will always be a p3 or bud like troll dirtying of the world. There just another type of parasite, that people have to live with

By: Captain Nemo on 12/17/12 at 1:33

shb dirtying up the world. The shimming of the dancer caught my eye. ;-0

By: gdiafante on 12/17/12 at 1:33

People are realizing just how nuts these people are, nemo. Eventually they'll die off and I tell you this country will be better for it.

By: Captain Nemo on 12/17/12 at 1:41

They have always been around gdia, sometime they flourish and sometime they wane. I hope they are in the later. They are like the pestilent that Pandora let out into the world, but if not for hope, we all would parish.

By: Captain Nemo on 12/17/12 at 1:46

Once up a time, a long time ago, Zeus ordered Hephaestus (Aphrodite's husband) to make him a daughter. It was the first woman made out of clay. Hephaestus made a beautiful woman and named her Pandora.

Zeus sent his new daughter, Pandora, down to earth so that she could marry Epimetheus, who was a gentle but lonely man.

Zeus was not being kind. He was getting even. Epimetheus and Prometheus were brothers. Zeus was mad at one of the brothers, Prometheus, for giving people fire without asking Zeus first.

Zeus gave Pandora a little box with a big heavy lock on it. He made her promise never to open the box. He gave the key to Pandora’s husband and told him to never open the box. Zeus was sure that Epimetheus' curiosity would get the better of him, and that either Epimetheus or his brother would open the box.

Pandora was very curious. She wanted to see what was inside the box, but Epimetheus said no. Better not. "You know your father," Epimetheus sighed, referring to Zeus. "He’s a tricky one."

One day, when Epimetheus lay sleeping, Pandora stole the key and opened the box.

Out flew every kind of disease and sickness, hate and envy, and all the bad things that people had never experienced before. Pandora slammed the lid closed, but it was too late. All the bad things were already out of the box. They flew away, out into the world.

Epimetheus woke up at the sound of her sobbing. “I opened the box and all these ugly things flew out,” she cried. “I tried to catch them, but they all got out.” Pandora opened the box to show him how empty it was. But the box was not quite empty. One tiny bug flew quickly out before Pandora could slam the lid shut again.

“Hello, Pandora,” said the bug, hovering just out of reach. “My name is Hope.” With a nod of thanks for being set free, Hope flew out into the world, a world that now held Envy, Crime, Hate, and Disease – and Hope.

By: Captain Nemo on 12/17/12 at 1:51

I have always like this story ever since I heard about it school. I have often wonder, when I heard of a suicide is it because hope was gone?

By: Blanketnazi2 on 12/17/12 at 1:52

Wow, Nemo. Thanks for sharing that.

By: Captain Nemo on 12/17/12 at 2:10

You're welcome Blanket.

By: bfra on 12/17/12 at 2:31

Thanks Nemo! We have a few of the ilk that flew out of the box on this board & very recognizable.

By: yogiman on 12/17/12 at 2:57

Can one of you Obama admirers tell this damned old fool why he ignores Congress when he takes actions that require their approval? If you would, one of you Constitutional scholars correct me. Article I Section 8 of the Constitution reserves for Congress alone the power to declare war... not the President or the United Nations.

By what authority did Obama have to authorize the use of US military force in Libya without Congressional approval? Our Constitution does not give the United Nations the power to use our military force.

In January, Obama appointed three officials to the National Labor Relations Board without Senate approval. By what authority even though the Senate was in pro forma session? None.

Article II, Section 2 of the Constitution gives the President authority to appoint senior federal officials only if the Senate is in recess. They weren't.

Refusing to govern by the Constitution is impeachable. So why hasn't Congress taken any action on his anti-Constitutional actions? Is it because they are "in the game" with him?

By: Blanketnazi2 on 12/17/12 at 3:08

Proof that gun owners should have yearly psychological tests.

By: Captain Nemo on 12/17/12 at 3:11

There is no psychological test available for that dense of matter, Blanket.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 12/17/12 at 3:14

You do have a point, Nemo.

By: Captain Nemo on 12/17/12 at 3:17

Coming back from the P.O., I saw the brightest and most beautiful Rainbow of my life and there was a second on with it. I got picture of it.

By: yogiman on 12/17/12 at 3:20

"If all in the world were just like me, what kind of world would this world be? Would I be happy, or would I be sad?" I'd sad now with the government we have. And I'll be sadder if I'm still living when Barry makes his full takeover.(I say Barry because that was the name he was known as in his Obama family and in his Soetoro family.

By the way, when did he repatriate from Soetoro to Obama as his legally official name?

I have my imagination how you usurper admirers feel to admire a man whom you have no idea who in the hell he is and who refuses to identify himself. I can't feel sad for your futures, but I do feel sad for all of our heirs of the future, including yours.

Being as young as you all indicate yourselves to be, I'm wondering what you all are going to feel like when the "truth" comes out. If you aren't already a communist, you ain't gonna like it.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 12/17/12 at 3:23

Nemo, maybe shock treatment wasn't such a bad thing.

By: yogiman on 12/17/12 at 3:26

Yep, bfra,

You're one of them. Recognize yourself? Look in the mirror.

By: Captain Nemo on 12/17/12 at 3:30

"When falls on man the anger of the gods, first from his mind they banish understanding."

"When divine power plans evil for a man, it first injures his mind."

"Those whom God wishes to destroy, he first deprives of their senses."

"Whom God wishes to destroy he first makes mad."

"For those whom God to ruin has design'd, He fits for fate, and first destroys their mind."
John Dryden

"Whom the Gods would destroy they first make mad."
Henry Wadsworth Longfellow

By: dargent7 on 12/17/12 at 3:36

Maybe we're 2 hours later than Tenn., but it was just reported the shooter shot his mother in the head 4x before going to the school.
My mother could be a 1st class bitch at times, but shoot her in her pajamas while she slept?
Even the Menendez bros. waiting until both parents were awake.
Catch my 49ers win last night? Suprised coach Harbaugh isn't in the ICU recovering from another A-fib near miss.

By: Captain Nemo on 12/17/12 at 3:41

Proverbs 14:7 Stay away from a foolish man, for you will not find knowledge on his lips.

By: Captain Nemo on 12/17/12 at 3:44

I have been limiting myself to the news d7, because it is so depressing.

By: yogiman on 12/17/12 at 3:44

I'm willing to take such test any time, B2, and I'm sure I would pass it; how about you?
I believe that would be highly questionable.

It's funny; you all point out your rights to "free speech" by the Constitution, but you seem to think everyone else should think and post as you think they should as you think they should, which is only if you agree with them. I call that self appointed control over others; like the government is controlling America's common citizens today.

When you own the site, B2, you can make such a decision who you wish to allow to post on it. . Until then, just use your constitutional right and "say" anything you wish. That is, unless NCP tells you to shut up, then you shut up officially like I will if they tell me to "shut up". I'll listen to them because they own this site, but not you and [your others] who are just egotistical posters on it.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 12/17/12 at 3:46

Nemo, I've been doing the same.

By: bfra on 12/17/12 at 3:47

I I I I I I I has posted more BS!

By: Captain Nemo on 12/17/12 at 3:49

Proverbs 14:7 Stay away from a foolish man, for you will not find knowledge on his lips.

By: Captain Nemo on 12/17/12 at 3:52

Proverbs 1:7 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge, but fools despise wisdom and discipline.

By: Captain Nemo on 12/17/12 at 3:58

I think it is best thing to do Blanket. In the first moment of thing such as this, there is a lot of confusion and it will take a long time to recover from this. When I first heard about it I did not hear any news at all. I went home and did not turn the TV on. I read a book and got good nights sleep. It was not until Saturday morning did I begin to take it all in.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 12/17/12 at 4:03

I've been digesting it in bits and pieces. I'm certainly not following every minute of it. It's so devastating. I can't imagine what that town is going through.

By: Captain Nemo on 12/17/12 at 4:07

That is best thing to do, Blanket. It is bad enough hearing the fringe right blaming it on everyone else but themselves. It will be a zoo when the NRA starts their damage control and push Congress not to do a damn thing about it.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 12/17/12 at 4:11

There's news that the NRA took down their website and FB page for a while that day. Also, no pro-gun people agreed to be on Meet the Press this weekend.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 12/17/12 at 4:12


With pressure mounting for gun regulation in the wake of the Newtown, Conn., shootings, two well-known members of the pro-gun lobby have called for a rethink. Joe Manchin, the Democratic senator for West Virginia and a National Rifle Association member, told MSNBC's "Morning Joe" program today that the tragedy had "changed the dialogue, and it should move beyond dialogue. We need action." Earlier in the program, host Joe Scarborough, a former GOP House member who "received the NRA's highest ratings" over four terms in Congress, delivered a long monologue stating that Friday's events meant "that the ideologies of my past career were no longer relevant to the future that I want, that I demand for my children. Friday changed everything."

By: yogiman on 12/17/12 at 4:15


You can call it BS (brilliant sense) if you wish. I just call it common sense.

By: Captain Nemo on 12/17/12 at 4:17

What can they say…ooops. They are still in Blackout mode, Blanket.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 12/17/12 at 4:18

Even some of the GOP are starting to come arounds. I'm glad that the sane ones are starting to separate themselves from the crazies on the fringe right.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 12/17/12 at 4:19

Really, Nemo. Ooops doesn't cover it and saying "more guns" doesn't cover it either and deep down they must know this.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 12/17/12 at 4:20

Maybe this and the election will cause the GOP to have a little "come to Jesus" and start weeding out the destructive elements in the party. I would like to see a sane, centrist conservative party again.

By: Captain Nemo on 12/17/12 at 4:27

You can bet that Ben will bump money into the NRA treasury.

By: Captain Nemo on 12/17/12 at 4:29

Someone should ask the NRA what they would do to prevent this from happen again.

By: dargent7 on 12/17/12 at 4:40

I alluded to it yesterday...
The 'mother" bought the 2 semi-automatics, with extended magazines and the Bushmeister .223 guage AR rifle.
She took jr. to the shooting range for societal interaction and bonding.
Gee, my mother took me to Cub Scouts and Boy Scouts for "societal integration".
Not a gun range.
Maybe A + B doesn't add up to C, but it comes close enough for me.

By: Captain Nemo on 12/17/12 at 4:51

This is beginning to seem as if he brought up in a gun culture, d7.

By: Captain Nemo on 12/17/12 at 4:54

I'm calling it a night people. Have a good one and don't let the trolls bit.

By: bfra on 12/17/12 at 4:57

NRA could be very beneficial if they would take a stand against ASSAULT weapons & other regulations for gun control..

By: yogiman on 12/17/12 at 5:22

My dad taught me and my brothers how to use a gun on our when we turned 8 years old, dargent7. Did I go hunting for people?, no, I went hunting for food.

And interesting interview from a retiring Rep. from NC.


By: bfra on 12/17/12 at 5:30


By: Ask01 on 12/17/12 at 6:01

Mike, you are correct. We do make laws regarding robbery of banks, liquor stores, and other businesses and yet, criminals continue to hold up these establishments. The point I wanted to make was just that: criminals will still commit crimes and illegally obtain weapons no matter what laws are enacted.

I feel more restrictive gun laws advocated by anti gun folks and the arming of teachers suggested by some of the gun enthusiasts are both heading in the wrong direction. As Captain Nemo has so wisely pointed out, we need to have better systems to identify, evaluate, and treat those with mental issues which could result in violence.

I do advocate laws which would address someone owning weapons with a mentally ill person in the house and how weapons are stored to prevent their having access to those weapons..

I just believe we need a better solution amenable to all and not a knee jerk reaction which will alienate half the people.

By: parnell3rd on 12/17/12 at 11:05

Will the NCP and the national media report that a 13 year vetran, off duty police woman used her gun to save lives in Texas at a movie theatre? Or will they demand she brought up on charges for usind her gun to save lives?

By: parnell3rd on 12/17/12 at 11:10

Your right Yogi! These libtards are ignorant. I cannot believe one of them actually admitted to being a life member of the NRA. And the rest of the libtards did not expell them from the group.
gdia 1:22 post,Ii think it threatoned my life. maybe I should call the police.
I love how libtards thank GOD for humans death's.
Is that how you felt friday?

By: yogiman on 12/17/12 at 11:40


You can make any suggestion you wish on keeping deaths under control. You can order any kind of investigation on identity or any other form of thought of gun control. But a criminal wanting a gun will find a way to get one.

Aren't you aware that young man had his brother's ID card? Did his brother give it to him? We don't know.

Anyone wanting to commit a crime will find a way, period. If anyone could come up with an absolute way to stop it I would welcome them to the program.

By: yogiman on 12/17/12 at 11:42

We know that, parnell3rd..., but they don't. It takes a little bit of intelligence and they just don't seem to have enough.