Up for Debate: New charter school faces closure

Wednesday, December 14, 2011 at 12:06am

Would it be fair to close a newly opened charter school just months after opening? Have much advance noticed should parents receive in such a case? Does the situation suggest underlying problems with the charter system?

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By: Loner on 12/14/11 at 10:03

One wonders if this homo-hatin' EMT would let a "queer" bleed to death? Time to retire this burn-out, IMO.

By: bfra on 12/14/11 at 10:10

jcdad - Ditto Loner, no attacks from here and I would be 100% behind anyone that could get corruption out of government.

By: Loner on 12/14/11 at 10:14

Ben, Facebook was set up for "good reasons" and for the "bad reasons". It has fundamental flaws. The flaws are being exploited.

Disqus has a "Follow this poster" feature that was designed to allow advocates to follow a poster...it is being used as a trolling aid. Whenever I post on Disqus boards, Eric11210, for example, is alerted to that fact and he comes online to personally attack me. Eric is an ingrate American Jew who made aliyah to Israel, he is a flaming Zionist zealot...obsessed with the Lone One, or so it appears. I have other trolls who "follow me", Eric is the creepiest. If I went on Facebook, I'd attract more useless trolls.

A-holes have a knack for defeating the original purpose of well-intended schemes.

By: yogiman on 12/14/11 at 10:18


I can't argue with you on this issue. History has shown nations have been able to survive only a couple of centuries because of "leadership" power.

Our nation was only 164 years old when I was born. In my childhood, most "officials" went in office to serve their neighbors. Then as education began teaching them a few things about 'politics' many of them found it was easy to make it a career. Being in an official office as a career "employee" makes them think they "own" the nation.

It's time we "buy" (meaning by election) our "guvmunt" out of business and send them home, on our retirement basis, not theirs.

By: jvh2b on 12/14/11 at 10:29

I think it was Ben who was mentioning the EMT and Facebook being for friends only --

I would be interested in knowing what he had his profile set to. If he had it as public (which far to many people do w/o realizing it) then he set him self up. He then publicly made those comments. If he did have his profile set to friends only, then you have a bit more of a point. I'd be willing to bet it wasn't set to friends only.

And lets be real about his terminology. What he said was clearly intended to be offensive. I as a gay man use the f word all the time, mostly in jest. If someone calls me that I'm cool with it, unless of course their intent is malicious/hateful. But then they do get to list a$ kicked by queer on their resume - and lets be real - not something most guys want on there lol.

This guy was given a fair warning, attended anger mgmt and diversity training. And the bozo STILL made a comment in the same forum he got nailed in the 1st time (and still probably didn't change his privacy settings). If nothing else he should be fired for being stupid/incompetent.

By: Loner on 12/14/11 at 10:35

Ben, I went to the link you gave us....incredible!

The perps are getting new trials and the judge is free as a bird, enjoying his generous pension? Git several ropes!

By: Loner on 12/14/11 at 10:38

Good points jvh2b. The guy is too stupid to be working in any medical profession....too stupid and too bigoted, IMO.

By: Loner on 12/14/11 at 10:45

Letalvis? Lemaricus? Too bad their mothers did not spend as much time in raising their kids properly as they spent in inventing those ridiculous first names. Their mothers must have the IQ's and character of pond scum.

By: Loner on 12/14/11 at 10:55

Got an ad up on my screen for mobile, organic,custom, air-brushed spray tanning...only $201. Uh, does one refrain from showering, bathing and swimming after shelling out the $201...in order to get the maximum bang for the buck?

Talk about a dirty job..."Excuse me sir, could you please spread your @ss cheeks, so I can spray that area too?" I'd want hazardous duty pay.

By: brrrrk on 12/14/11 at 11:06

Kosh III said

"He violated the policy of his employer, this does not affect the freedom of political speech; he could have stood up in his loving Christian church and spewed all the poison he wished but instead he made it appear that he was speaking on behalf of his employer."

Excellent point Kosh. Let's be clear about this, at no time that I'm aware was this fireman told that he couldn't express his opinion about gays.... but he was told that as a representative of the employer, he would be reprimanded for expressing certain opinions. The employers could be said to be looking out for their own best legal interests in doing so.... pretty Ayn Randian of them, wouldn't you say Ben? Now having said this, the fireman chose to express his opinion anyway, as was his right. And in doing so, he should also face the repercussions and take responsibility for his own actions.

It seems to me that when the right talks about freedom of speech, they never talk about the fact that people also have to be willing to take responsibility for what they say. If you say something stupid, you're likely to get nailed for it. Our founding fathers knew and understood this basic premiss of free speech, and that's why, to this day, no one knows the identity of the pamphleteer know only as "Rusticus".

"I shall therefore conclude with a proposal that your watchmen be instructed, as they go on their rounds, to call out every night, half-past twelve, 'Beware of the East India Company.'"

-Pamphlet signed by “Rusticus,” 1773

By: Loner on 12/14/11 at 11:11

Jvh, not long ago, "gay" meant happy and "queer" meant odd....and "homo" referred to homogenized milk...I'm a sexagenarian...it's tough these days, to express ideas without offending somebody.

Before 1948, the word "Zionist" was freely used by Jews and others to describe a Jew who had emigrated to Palestine, as a member of the Zionist movement. Today, the terms, "Zionism" and "Zionist(s)" are considered anti-Semitic, if used by a non-Jew. Helen Thomas found out the hard way...smart gentiles don't use the "Z" word in public these days.

The meanings of words evolve over time. At one time being "sanctioned" was a good thing; it meant that you were authorized and blessed with the necessary bona fides. Today, being "sanctioned" is a bad thing...Iran is being sanctioned, for example. The word has done a one-eighty.

By: Loner on 12/14/11 at 11:15

Great post Brrrrk, I concur.

By: dargent7 on 12/14/11 at 11:20

Leave it to the south. Let's quibble wheter it's ok to use the word, "******", if it isn't capitalized.
This EMT Kennedy guy was reprimanded because on Facebook you need to show your identity. Plus, the moron was so "proud" of calling or "outting out "queers", he posed for his wallpaper and photos in his Dept. issued uniform. He lost a month's salary @ $3,000. to make his point.
Came back, did it again, and was FIRED!
I'd rather die on the streets or highways than have this moron give me mouth to mouth or save my ass.

By: yogiman on 12/14/11 at 11:23

Personal comments on your job, to, or against, your employer or fellow employees, is not freedom of speech in my books.

Personal comment are just that, comments when you are not on duty on your job. Only when you are out that door on your won time.

But even on that basis, you should not be in a required uniform when making a negative comment relating to your work area.

By: Loner on 12/14/11 at 11:31

It seems to me that the problem with the exercise of free speech is that the consequences for exercising that right can be vicious, even deadly. The revenge factor.

Hotheads are always quick to quit the bargaining table and talk about "Second Amendment" remedies. That's how wars start. People get fed up with talk... after a while, their patience runs out...they get egged on by others.

Remember the movie "The Good, the Bad and the Ugly"...I love the scene in which the ugly guy (Tuco?) is suddenly and rudely confronted by a revengeful armed man, while he, the ugly guy, is taking a bath...the vengeance-seeking gunman talks too much...the ugly guy shoots him, using a pistol that was underwater, concealed by the bubble bath...then he calmly says, "If you're gonna shoot, shoot....don't talk". I just love that scene and that metaphor..I think it's relevant to this topic.

Sadly, we all tend to think that somebody "had it coming"....it's part of the universal human condition, IMO.

By: yogiman on 12/14/11 at 11:37


Other than Barry's book "Dreams from My Father", there's another book out you might want to read about your favorite usurper in office. Its titled "Obama Exposed", posting 21 ways Barack Obama is radically re-shaping America in his own image. Its printed by 'Grassfire Nation'. You might learn something about the issue when you read about what he has already accomplished.

By: Loner on 12/14/11 at 11:39

Let's face it, if those "Christians" who are demonstrating their anti-homosexual hatred at military funerals, were to be run over by a speeding dump truck, driven by the dead soldier's father, we'd all agree, they had it coming....the deadly consequences of "free speech"....it's a fact of life....there actually are "fightin' words".

By: Loner on 12/14/11 at 11:53

Subject change?

Headline: NFL, union meet with Browns


The Browns said McCoy, whose head snapped back after he was struck on the facemask, did not show symptoms of a concussion until after the game. Coach Pat Shurmur claims the team followed medical protocol before the second-year quarterback was allowed to return just minutes after absorbing the vicious hit.

McCoy sustained a concussion when he was hit last week by Pittsburgh Steelers linebacker James Harrison, who was suspended for one game for the helmet-to-helmet hit, his fifth illegal one on a quarterback in the past three seasons. McCoy was off the field for less than four minutes after the hit.

Are big name football colleges, like Penn State, acting like concussion-producing farm teams for the NFL...are they systematically debilitating young brains, under the guise of higher learning?

By: yogiman on 12/14/11 at 12:01

Well, I agree with you on another subject, Loner. What a surprise!

Everyone's personal life is just that, personal. It's no own else' business. If they don't like it, stay away from them. They apparently can't be friends with nothing in common.And they shouldn't condemn without being willing to be condemned.

They are too often trying to compare someone to themselves thinking they are perfect, which they apparently aren't by their very actions..

By: yogiman on 12/14/11 at 12:08

No, Loner, Just drop the "l", they're debilitating young brains under the guise of higher earning. I quit watching college and pro sports years ago.

Sadly, it seems as if too many high schools are in the "all the way" programs.

By: brrrrk on 12/14/11 at 12:18

Loner said

"Great post Brrrrk, I concur."

Thanks, one has to wonder though.... how long ago do you think this fireman would have been "canned" if what he posted was anti-Christian rhetoric? As they say, it's all about who's bull is being gored.

Frankly, I know my ass would be grass if I expressed my religious opinions at work.... in spite of the fact that my more Christian co-workers openly push their views.

By: BenDover on 12/14/11 at 12:29

I guess I'm splitting short curlies here but I think I don't think it's anyone's business if Kevin doesn't like gays. Unless he made some overt public declaration in his role as a firefighter then the city is wrong in this case. Having a picture of yourself in your work uniform on Facebook and then making a comment to friends about hating queers to his friends on Facebook is pretty thin gruel.

As for anger management... listening to some Human Services major career social worker tell me who I can and cannot like under duress of being sent to jail for not appeasing her would probably push me right over the edge too.

By: Loner on 12/14/11 at 12:41

Yogi, now you are making some sense.

Brrrrk, I agree, it's all about whose ox is being gored....there is strength in numbers...Mormons are a "cult", because they are lacking in numbers of followers, compared to the Catholics, Baptists, Methodists and other popular faiths....One lone guy with a belief is a nut....two guys sharing it is a conspiracy, 3 or more people sharing the same belief is a cult...until a critical mass is achieved...then it becomes a bona fide religion. The Mormon faith never reached critical mass...it's still dangerous, but not likely to "go nuclear"....and explode onto the world scene.

Now, if they ever uncover the Golden Tablets at Hill Cummorah, in Palmyra, New York, then all bets are off...I might convert too, if they find those babies.

I gotta read Ben's latest post, then I'll respond.

By: Loner on 12/14/11 at 12:52

Ben wrote, "As for anger management... listening to some Human Services major career social worker tell me who I can and cannot like under duress of being sent to jail for not appeasing her would probably push me right over the edge too."

Ben, if you're gonna shoot, shoot...don't talk.

Just kidding....that works in a spaghetti western, but not in real life.

If and when I were placed in a situation in which I was being forced into listening to some Human Services major career social worker tell me who I can and cannot like under duress of being sent to jail for not appeasing her, I'd break out my Peruvian flute and play Kum Ba Yah for the lovely lady...she'd break into tears and offer me a job.

You gotta play things as they lie, Ben....squeeze the lemons...make daiquiris....party on.

By: BenDover on 12/14/11 at 1:03

She'd swoon, fall into the tub with you and discover the real density of your pistol, there shooter. And then she'd say to you, "if you're gonna shoot, shoot... don't talk' , loner...

By: BenDover on 12/14/11 at 1:04

I suspect most homophobes don't like anger management. Different strokes for different folks, you know.

By: Loner on 12/14/11 at 1:12

Ben...did a spit take on your 1:03 post....belly laugh. That scenario certainly has played itself out a few times...chicks dig a scrawny flute-playing guy...that's a cultural maxim.

By: jvh2b on 12/14/11 at 1:27

Loner - If said situation occurred w/ Westboro, I would hope that father would be given a congressional metal of honor. I don't know a soul that's right wing/left wing, Christian or not that wouldn't agree with the fathers actions.

Ben- Again it comes back to if he had his profile set on private or not. If he did, then he had someone squeal on him....and then promptly didn't remove said person from his friends list (or at least put them in a list that doesn't allow them to see most of his post). I'd still be willing to bet his profile was public, and he never changed that. Again, if nothing else I'm good with him being fired for being a complete moron.

By: BenDover on 12/14/11 at 2:01

We shouted down the Phelps Church of Hate last time they came to Nashville. I think a small handful showed up then departed almost instantly upon seeing a crowd of about 1000 counter-protesters.

By: brrrrk on 12/14/11 at 2:10

BenDover said

"We shouted down the Phelps Church of Hate last time they came to Nashville. I think a small handful showed up then departed almost instantly upon seeing a crowd of about 1000 counter-protesters."

So Ben, weren't you inhibiting their right to free speech through mass intimidation?

You see... free speech isn't that easy. With every freedom comes the responsibility to use it appropriately. Most righties yell about the 2nd Amendment and the right to bear arms.... but doesn't that require that the person owning that gun be responsible in their ownership of that weapon and the use of that right? You can't just go around shooting everyone... even though abstractly speaking, you certainly have that right.

By: jvh2b on 12/14/11 at 2:11

A tip of my hat to you good Ben...followed by thunderous applause.

By: Loner on 12/14/11 at 2:46

Phelps church? Please inform me.

By: BenDover on 12/14/11 at 2:52

Oh Phelps is the founder of that inbred nazi Westboro Baptist Church (unaffiliated) that runs around the country protesting at military funerals and blaming all of society's woes on our tolerance of 'fags'.

I try to show up when they come to town hoping to get to whip some @$$ (in self defense of course).

By: BenDover on 12/14/11 at 2:53

They are the lowest of low-life skum bags.

By: BenDover on 12/14/11 at 3:01

brrrk, if the fireman had been one of these evangelical atheists and had been calling for Christians to line up for express crucifications to meet your maker; I'd still have to defend him in this case. If he started Nashville Fire-fighters for Christian Crucification though I think the NFD would have a good point about a policy breech.

Shall we do a search for Tea-Baggers on all of the Municipal and State education computers and summarily reprimand ever teacher who criticized the Tea Party movement with such a vulgarity? The ACLU would be on the teachers' defense like white on rice.

By: BenDover on 12/14/11 at 3:02

shb - Crucifixions

By: Loner on 12/14/11 at 3:06

Ah, Westboro is Pastor Phel[p's creation...got it. I gotta go and get cleaned up for my daily 4:20 observance...give me about 15 minutes, or so....(we are one hour ahead of Nashville time.)

By: yogiman on 12/14/11 at 3:27

You're late, Loner. What's your excuse?

By: BenDover on 12/14/11 at 3:45

For some reason that last post made me think of Hannibal Lector, Loner...

"Oh, Westboro is Pastor Phel[p's creation...got it. I gotta go and get cleaned up for my daily 4:20 observance...give me about 15 minutes, or so, Clarice "


By: BenDover on 12/14/11 at 3:51

"Pastor Phelps won't be any problem for us anymore, Clarice... nor that crude homosexually repressed Fire-Fighter we've been discussing of late... I'll be having them for dinner with some fava beans and a nice chianti"

By: Loner on 12/14/11 at 3:54

Got tied up...I'm OK now.

That's creepy, Ben.....or is it me?

By: Rasputin72 on 12/14/11 at 4:31

I like the idea of juvenile peniteniaries rather than charter schools. Free lunches and charter schools only feeds the growing crime rate.

By: BenDover on 12/14/11 at 4:43

This one has some kind of weird Dr. Spock plan where they adjust all the classes to the students whims and interests. I guess I could see that in a gifted school program but not a full blown curriculum with a huge variety in the level of student expertise and potential.

By: spooky24 on 12/15/11 at 11:38

Yes, the Tennessean has found another cowardly way to silence their critics who want nothing to do with their far, far left politics. Republicans and moderate democrats know that facebook is an insecure social site that is easily hacked everyday. Anyone with sensitive data on their machines would never allow such an intrusive program to administer their security for work or private lives. I gave up on social sites during the late 90's as a waste of time and everyone eventually discovers better things to do other than reading the lies of posers and posting their own improbable accomplishments.


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