Up for Debate: New Hampshire primary

Wednesday, January 11, 2012 at 1:11am

 What's your take on the New Hampshire primary results?

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127 Comments on this post:

By: dargent7 on 1/11/12 at 5:19

Jack Welsh, the former CEO of GE, was on Piers Morgan and lauded Mitt Romney as the Second Coming.
Maybe he'll win it all. People hate Obama so much, another 4 years is too much to take.
Let the Mitt-ster give it a shot.

By: Captain Nemo on 1/11/12 at 6:43

Still divided, but South Carolina could flip things more.

By: Captain Nemo on 1/11/12 at 6:50

“I love to fire people”, says Romney. I know what he was trying to say, but his fellow GOP candidates are twisting it to suit their needs. Romney has a wild mouth, which will get him in more trouble.

By: yogiman on 1/11/12 at 7:14

The state primaries are like the quarters in a football game. won't make any difference. They won't matter until the game is over.

By: dargent7 on 1/11/12 at 7:15

I think Romney will get the nomination.
Give him the Presidency.
Obama had 4 years of sheer hell and needs a break.
The country cannot get any worse.
If it does, blame Romney.

By: yogiman on 1/11/12 at 7:17

Obama exposure #8 Amnesty For Illegal Aliens
'President' "Obama" is committed to signing into law a plan to give amnesty and taxpayer supported benefits to millions of illegal aliens and launch the largest increase in illegal immigration in our nation's history.

By: Kosh III on 1/11/12 at 7:20

"'President' "Obama" is committed to signing into law a plan to give amnesty and taxpayer supported benefits to millions of illegal aliens and launch the largest increase in illegal immigration in our nation's history."

You mean an amnesty larger than the one St Reagan gave and Gingrich supported?

What benefits do you mean? It sure isn't TANF, Medicaid or Food Stamps. One must be a Legal Permanent Resident for at least 5 years before qualifying. That's a restriction which is sternly enforced in Tennessee.

By: Kosh III on 1/11/12 at 7:22

None of the candidates are loyal Americans; they all oppose equal rights and seek to return to the good old days of rule by rich white fascists.

By: govskeptic on 1/11/12 at 7:35

The number one thing NH Republican voters showed the nation
is that they aren't at all interested in the social issues that played
out in Iowa. Secondly, they get as much or more news out of the
Boston Globe and Boston TV as from their own in state press.
Some Republicans and lots of Independents showed the ideas
of Ron Paul are the right course of action for this country, as will
many others throughout this process!

By: yogiman on 1/11/12 at 7:39

Kosh III,

As it always has, time will tell. Use momma's old adage; wait and see.

By: gdiafante on 1/11/12 at 7:39

Who cares...Romney will get the nomination...the only other rational candidate is Huntsman who can't get the time of day with these nuts.

It's beginning to remind me of a reality show..."The GOP candidates of Washington DC..." and the knuckle dragging populace is eating it up.


By: Captain Nemo on 1/11/12 at 7:43

Mix messages.


By: Captain Nemo on 1/11/12 at 7:50

“The first sign of corruption in a society that is still alive is that the end justifies the means”
Georges Bernanos

By: Captain Nemo on 1/11/12 at 7:54

Time will tell us what we did and didn't do.
Harvey Fierstein

By: Ummm... on 1/11/12 at 7:55

dargent7: "I think Romney will get the nomination.
Give him the Presidency.
Obama had 4 years of sheer hell and needs a break.
The country cannot get any worse.
If it does, blame Romney."

I certainly agree that Obama has had "4 years of sheer hell," but as for the country not getting any worse- don't bet on it. What if Romney is elected and the Democrats (having learned from the Republican obstructionism) decide that making him a one-term president is their top priority? At least if Obama wins, the Republicans will have no reason to keep trying to destroy him politically.

By: Captain Nemo on 1/11/12 at 7:55

Time will do the talking, years will do the walking, I'll just find a comfy spot and wait it out, time will do the talking, years will do the walking, time will tell you baby what you can't hear now.
Bob Seger

By: Captain Nemo on 1/11/12 at 8:00

Not so Ummm. The Republicans went after Clinton more so, during his second term.

By: Ummm... on 1/11/12 at 8:10

Captain, what the Republicans did to Clinton (in my opinion) was motivated by a "revenge" factor that goes all they way back to Watergate, and includes the Iran-Contra affair. As far as I can see, their primary motivation for trying to destroy Obama has been to win the presidency in 2012- a motivation that will cease to exist if he wins again in November.

By: Captain Nemo on 1/11/12 at 8:15

Could be Ummm, The GOP has gone mad since Watergate and their motives seem to be relentless and destructive.

By: Captain Nemo on 1/11/12 at 8:18

When I hear someone use the cliché “Time will tell.” I get the impression that the underline meaning is I hoping I am right and if not this will be forgotten.

By: Loner on 1/11/12 at 8:26

Good morning, Nashville.

No surprises in the Granite State yesterday...Mitt won...the third, fourth and fifth place finishers got their face time...the second place finisher got the Rodney Dangerfield treatment...no respect for RP from the GOP and no respect from the MSM.

Ron Paul is getting traction...not just with some Republicans, he is getting traction in the middle and from those to the left of our apparently impotent president.

If this orchestrated snubbing continues, Ron should bolt the GOP and go Libertarian...that would electrify the otherwise dull race.

I could see a scenario in which all three candidates split the vote nearly equally....but the Electoral College vote could be a landslide victory for the guy with the fewest popular votes. I think that we need to witness a fiasco like that, if we are ever to dump the flawed, dangerous, undemocratic and thoroughly exploited EC system.

By: yogiman on 1/11/12 at 8:28

Presidential history is interesting. What will 2012 year be? Our nation has had 18 - 1 term presidents, 14 - 2 term presidents, 1 - 4 term president, 9 term finisher presidents and 1 usurper in office. Can we possibly have 1 - 2 term usurper in office?

By: BenDover on 1/11/12 at 8:28

I thought D'arge was the only one allowed to quote Bob Seger. He disowned Uncle Ted so that's fair game.

By: yogiman on 1/11/12 at 8:33

Correction: That should be 19 - 1 term presidents.

By: BenDover on 1/11/12 at 8:34

The EC serves its purpose well. I'd be OK with apportionment based on state popular vote though.

If Paul goes nomad Obama will likely sweep it but if the little Marshal Applewhite did, by some act of the gods, pull it out I guess I'll just don my Nikes and wait for Hale Bopp to come back around again.

By: BenDover on 1/11/12 at 8:43

Gingrich is tanking in the SC polls... most of his support is rolling to Santorum with a part of it splitting to Romney. Paul's up a little but Romney is coalescing the undecided too and he should walk away with it. When Florida sees that they'll fall in line and it's all Romney from there.

The only news after that will be whether Paul goes rogue and whether Obama dumps Biden for Hillary.

By: Loner on 1/11/12 at 8:46

Ben, you are assuming that Paul would steal votes primarily from the GOP, if he went "nomad"...that is a media and GOP canard. Paul has as much support in the middle as any of the candidates, including Obama.

And Obama is pissing off his base...the war mongering at Israel's behest...the crackdown on Medical Marijuana Dispensaries....signing the recent freedom-grabbbing Defense Spending Bill (authorizing unlimited detention, without charge or trial of US citizens by the US military)...extending the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy...questionable USSC appointments....mass deportations of "illegals".... etc. etc.

Hey, Obama spent 743 million to get his job...it pays about 250K per annum...he'll spend over a billion to keep his job...this is "hope & change"? No mas!

It appears that the new boss is the same as the old boss...a neocon of a differing color.

By: Loner on 1/11/12 at 8:57

By: BenDover on 1/11/12 at 8:34

The EC serves its purpose well.....

It surely did serve the purposes of the Republican Party in 2000. But the Democrats are loathe to open up the system to full-strength democracy, so they went along with the screw job...hoping that the EC would bite the GOP on the @ss next time around. It's a game of Russian Roulette.

Assigning EC votes proportionally in each state would take the irrationality out of the EC system...the winner-take-all tradition is undemocratic by nature....defeating the purpose of the system is simply human nature. The Founders did not take that into consideration, or so it seems....they assumed that each state would assign their EC votes in a democratic and fair manner...big mistake.

It would take a Constitutional Amendment to repair or discard the EC...only 18 states have to say NO....so, reform is functionally impossible....the Founders were mere mortals...they goofed...but we can fix this thing, if we choose to do so.

By: BenDover on 1/11/12 at 8:59

All that p*ssing off of his base is so yesterday, Loner. The Obamaster is laying it on heavy with hard left, unions and marxists now building his war chest. Then he'll counter to the center after the fund-raising is done and his base will excuse him because they believe he has to lie to all the rubes to get elected... just like on the faith thing.

By: Loner on 1/11/12 at 9:05

Ben, I am a former member of Obama's base...believe me, he is losing more support every day...he fooled the base once,..shame on him....if Obama does it again, shame on us.

Obama is the Reneger-In-Chief....in euchre, you renege and you are out...Obama failed to follow suit....game over.

By: Loner on 1/11/12 at 9:07

To me, Mitt would be not much worse than more Obama...Obama can twist in the wind...he did this to himself...no caljones. Bye, bye!

By: pswindle on 1/11/12 at 9:08

Mitt is so fake. Even his voice is trained. If he is elected, we will suffer like none other. I can't believe that the people of this country would be taken in by this money hungry man. Bush left this country is a horrible mess and it has taken this long to stop the bleeding, and the GOP has tried to stop everything to help the middle class.

By: Loner on 1/11/12 at 9:16

Who is more fake, Mitt or Obama? IMO, it's a toss-up. I actually was fooled by Obama's campaign rhetoric...at my age, there is little excuse for that...I'm actually ashamed of myself for being so gullible....I actually trusted a Chicago-based, machine-approved, Democratic politician...what was I thinking?

By: Little Dummy on 1/11/12 at 9:24

The 2012 election will be decided by the Ignorant Masses, just as it was in 2008.
(The Ignorant Masses turned out in droves to vote for Obama in '08.) To win the Republicans must find some way to keep the Ignorant Masses away from the
polls in November. Perhaps buy up ALL the air time in decadent markets
like Memphis, Detroit, St. Louis, etc. Or perhaps free alcohol all over town
so they'll be too drunk to vote. Maybe spread the rumor that Republicans
vote on Tuesday and Democrats on Wednesday. This has actually been
done in St. Louis a few elections ago. OR pray for bad weather and they'll
just stay in bed and say "Not today, I'll vote tomorrow."

By: Loner on 1/11/12 at 9:27

Somebody yanked Obama's chain...around may of last year...now he's acting like Cool Hand Luke, after he "got his mind right"....only he really does have his mind right...he's now a loyal lap dog for the War Super Lobby - Defense, Israel & Energy.

Obama may rip a page out of the Bush-Cheney playbook, if we are involved with a shooting war in Iran by election time, his odds at a second term are much better...Americans do not change leaders during wartime, as a general rule...I expect that Obama is considering playing that card...he does not want to be remembered as a Jimmy Carter type of "loser"....the man's ego is on the line...folks are gonna die.

By: BenDover on 1/11/12 at 9:38

An interesting development in the EC is the elector make-up change since the 2010 election.

It seems people are fleeing the bastions of liberalism resulting in a 12 point swing to the right based on the states as they voted in the 2008 election.

Obama states 2008
Washington +1
Pennsylvania -1
Illinois -1
Iowa - 1
Massachusetts -1
Michigan -1
Nevada +1 *
New Jersey -1
New York -2
Ohio -2
Florida +2 *
Net Total -6 (-10 +4)

Note: Florida and Nevada will likely swing
GOP next year making it really a net -9

McCain states 2008
Utah +1
Texas + 4
South Carolina +1
Arizona +1
Georgia +1
Louisiana -1
Missouri -1
Net Total +6 (+8 - 2)

That's a +12 (likely +15) point favor to the GOP before the first lever is pulled.

Since we are running against a candidate with a record this time instead of a blank screen upon which everyone could project their hopes and aspiration [gag]; and since the GOP nominee will not be McCain this time; I'd say the GOP has a great shot at winning this handily. Florida, Ohio and Nevada are almost certain to swing GOP. Pennsylvania has a really good chance of going that way too and New Jersey is in play as well (which is why you see Romney palling around with Chris Christie all the time). Failing the 3rd party thing or the Hillary surprise I think this will be Romney's year.

By: yogiman on 1/11/12 at 9:46

This year is going to be a interesting year; election wise. I haven't heard of the outcome yet, but a court in Alabama had a hearing on Obama's legal eligibility yesterday and one is scheduled to hold a similar hearing in Georgia on January 26.

Its going to be interesting if either of these courts determine he must provide his actual birth certificate to prove his legal eligibility.

By: BenDover on 1/11/12 at 9:54

pswindle, Bush ran deficits in the $300B - $400B range mostly related to the war supplementals. Obama runs deficits in the $1.4 TRILLION TO $1.6 TRILLION range.

Bush's last year was the only one where we saw a jump and that was when we had the Pelosi Reid controlled congress gone wild; and then the run on the banks on the promise of electing the socialist Obama. Enter TARP to the banks to prevent the run which did provide the liquidity to maintain solvency and which was paid back by the banks to the US taxpayers in the following 2 years with interest.

Obama, however though that it would be a better idea to respend all of that money on his own priorities as well as setting the new standard threshold of year over year spending such that the deficits were triple the Bush era deficits.

Now we've wound down the war supplementals, we're upside down on Social Security, and our entitlements have eaten the one-time war budget for on-going and growing entitlement responsibilities that will never ever ever go away. We've shifted from a budget that was 18% - 20% of GDP for the past 100 years to a budget that is 25% - 28% of GDP into perpetuity (not even yet counting the back-loaded costs of Obamacare after the first 10 years) and a national debt that is 100% of GDP.

It's insane what's been going on with this administration but all we hear are stupid platitudes about how Bush was worse.

By: Loner on 1/11/12 at 9:57

Off-topic warning!

Two guys on a motorcycle placed a magnetized bomb on a car carrying an Iranian nuclear scientist and another person, yesterday in Iran...two years to the day after a similar assassination in Iran....the bomb killed the 32 year old scientist-professor and it maimed the other person in the vehicle..a pedestrian near the explosion was also killed; according to reports, that victim was an 85-year old lady.

Smells like a Mossad and/or CIA snuff job...possibly OK'd by our Nobel Peace Prize Prez.

Turn about is fair play....US-Iranian ex-Marine Amir Mirzai Hekmati.- the Iranian-American who was recently sentenced to death for spying in Iran - will probably pay the price for US-Israeli state-sponsored terror directed at the Persians. The Cia-Mossad do not seem to care much about the consequences of this act of terror for Mr. Hekmati....for this reason, I suspect the assassination was primarily a Mossad deal...if an Israeli-American was being held in manner of MR. Hekmati...this recent killing probably would have been postponed.

Of course, if and when the Persians hang Hekmati, the alleged spy, we Americans will decry that as a barbaric act of state-based Islamic terror.

By: Captain Nemo on 1/11/12 at 10:04

This sure makes me feel safe with Republican leadership.

Rapists, killers, child sex offenders and Brett Favre's brother among TWO HUNDRED criminals pardoned by state governor in his last days


By: Loner on 1/11/12 at 10:04

I had three posts deleted by the Washington Post this morning...on a board discussing the snuff job on the Persian professor. WaPo is the Jerusalem Post East....once can viciously criticize ainy state with the American union of states and that's OK...criticize Israel, a state outside our union and you get deleted and banned...Helen Thomas under-stated the problem.

By: Loner on 1/11/12 at 10:06

s/h/b: "...any state within the American union of states..." my typing sucks this morning...need a latte and some Hempire State Green.

By: BenDover on 1/11/12 at 10:07

I saw that about Haley Barbour, Nemo. wtf?

By: Moonglow1 on 1/11/12 at 10:09

Moonglow1: In comparison to the other candidates, Ron Paul's speech was the most thoughtful.

Of interest, I found out that Newt's first wife was 7 years his senior and his high school geometry teacher. Newt was born Newton LeRoy McPherson. He also taught for only four years and quit because the school in Georgia did not give him tenure. He is a real loser and should drop out. But losers flourish in the Republican party. Losers are wanted and loved in the Party of Tea Nuts Alice in Wonderlandville. The PhD "intellectual" could not even get tenure at a mediocre Georgia college.

Perry is even dumber than Newt. For sure Perry should drop out and return to Texas where he belongs. He could hang out at his ranch with the racist name out front. A true 100 USDA prime idiot: Rick Perry.

Santorum needs to return to his lucrative lobbying career and Hunstman won't make it this time around.

By: Captain Nemo on 1/11/12 at 10:13

My thoughts too, Ben. The only thing that came to me was that he got a really big last day pay check.

By: Loner on 1/11/12 at 10:17

Gov. Haley Barbour has found religion, Nemo?...better late than never...the guy must be diagnosed terminal...he's been a life-long knucklehead, IMO....now he goes overboard freeing rapists, murderers and assorted desperados? Check the guy's meds...something ain't right here...a former CSA state's Christian governor finds compassion? Something very fishy here...gotta be a side-effect to drugs.

By: Loner on 1/11/12 at 10:25

Nice post, Moonglow..I did not know that Newt and his Geometry teacher had a romance going...I wonder if she used a protractor to measure the angle of his dangle...you know, sine, cosine & tangent...y=mx+b...A squared = B squared plus C squared. etc.

I could see Newt as the teacher's pet...he talked the teacher out of her panties it would appear...the guy is a smooth operator....but a loser.

By: Captain Nemo on 1/11/12 at 10:29

I don’t think a newly born again Christian would just wipe the slate like this Loner. This guy either went off the deep end or someone has something on him.

By: Loner on 1/11/12 at 10:30

C squared = A squared plus B squared? Something Greek like that. maybe if my Geometry teacher was putting out after school, I too could have excelled in math.

By: Loner on 1/11/12 at 10:33

Deep end sounds likely, IMO, Nemo. Remember Willie Horton? Apparently Barbour has forgotten....hopefully they'll keep tabs on the killers.