Up for Debate: New pressure for immigration reform

Thursday, July 11, 2013 at 12:53am

U.S. House Republicans are again feeling pressure to take up immigration reform, but they look to be headed in a different direction than the Senate's plan? What compromise should the two find? Will there be a path to citizenship for the undocumented? How would you fix the system?

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75 Comments on this post:

By: Captain Nemo on 7/11/13 at 4:25

Do we really expect the Republican House to do the right thing? They and their Tea Party base will do everything in their power to just the opposite of President Obama. After all, they are the party of “NO!”

By: Captain Nemo on 7/11/13 at 4:35

It was so good to see that gdia had posted yesterday. I for one am glade to see you back on board. I hope that life has been treating you well.

By: Captain Nemo on 7/11/13 at 4:44

By: yogiman on 7/10/13 at 1:55

BS. I joined the Navy just after I turned 17 and most of the guys in my "boot camp" company were young teenagers. The ones that came in as boys came out of boot camp (basic training) as men.

So why didn’t you become a man, Comrade, yogi?

By: Captain Nemo on 7/11/13 at 4:49

By: yogiman on 7/10/13 at 2:12

B2,

Many people flunk their test on their lessons and have to take their courses over again. How about teaching the lessons you gave me before on Obama's citizenship so I can understand how he was a natural born citizen even though he was a citizen of Indonesia before he become an American citizen again.

You're saying I flunked mine so how about teaching me again.

There is no scientific method to teach and rock anything. It just lays in the dirt, being stupid.

Now yogi is to dumb to understand I am talking about his lack of comprehension about anything.

By: Captain Nemo on 7/11/13 at 4:55

By: yogiman on 7/10/13 at 9:08

Please, bfra, don't compare me to you.

And yes, I understand simple English quite well, dumba$$. I just wish you knew how to use it.

And yes, also, dumba$$, I'm nowhere close to your intelligence. You have to at least have some for me to be low enough to be close.

Like we all have said before in some form or fashion, if yogi had any intellectual or just common sense he would realize that his mental ability is minus zero and falling.

By: yogiman on 7/11/13 at 5:25

OK, dumba$$,

So you've shown your lack of mentality to your comments before 6AM and nothing is mentioned on the NCP subject. But it's OK to comment when I post on another subject.

Tell me, are you and your fellow posters considered special elites by this site?

By: yogiman on 7/11/13 at 5:37

The question, dumba$$ is about the immigration bill being considered by congress.

My question is: Isn't it a crime to knowingly offer aid to a known criminal? Why did the Senate pass that bill in favor of over 11 million illegal aliens when they actually have no idea how many they are backing?

Why are illegal aliens being given such aid over legal immigrants who are going through the proper process of our laws to come her.

Arguments are mentioned about the cost to send the illegal aliens back home.

My question: Why should we pay them to go home? Just cut off their 'handouts' and the will go "south of the border" as fast as they can get there.

By what logic should congress pass this bill giving the illegal aliens more opportunity for employment and handouts over American citizens?

By: yogiman on 7/11/13 at 5:39

S/H/B laws to come here... not her.

By: Kosh III on 7/11/13 at 6:11

"They and their Tea Party base will do everything in their power to just the opposite of President Obama."

If OUR President proposed to round them all up and deport them and then militarize the borders with a 100ft electrified fence, suddenly the TeaNut Fascist Republicans would be demanding amnesty.

By: Kosh III on 7/11/13 at 6:15

Just to clarify:

"Just cut off their 'handouts'
There are no handouts, an undocumented alien can NOT and does not(in Tn) get Food Stamps, Medicaid or TANF. Their citizen children may but that's because they are CITIZENS.

They are not "criminals" it is not a crime to enter without documentation, it is a civil offense, like getting a parking ticket is a civil offense.

They won't "self-deport" because many of them, esp. the minor citizens are already at home. They pay taxes, have mortgages and car notes, and try to succeed.

By: Kosh III on 7/11/13 at 6:18

I recall in '06 that Bush declared his goal was an open border with free movement of people and goods. This was at a meeting between Bush, the Canadian PM and the Mexican President.

For years he advocated allowing Mexican truckers to operate freely here, it was only the Unions and Democrats which have blocked this, which would have made thousands of US truckers unemployed.

Reagan passed amnesty, one of the few sensible things he did. I am all for it: ""Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free"

By: Blanketnazi2 on 7/11/13 at 6:24

We don't have the means (money and resources) to "round up and deport" people if we wanted to. This bill is aimed to help those who were brought here as children and have been raised in our culture. And if you actually READ the bill, it's not a free ride. They have to pay back taxes and there are other criteria that needs to be met. And no one is FOR illegal immigration - people are for a reasonable solution.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 7/11/13 at 6:25

And btw, more people have been deported under Obama's administration that were deported during Bush's.

By: Kosh III on 7/11/13 at 6:29

Republicans give lip service to the Constitution but stifle dissent

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/10/sarah-slamen-texas_n_3573431.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular

By: Blanketnazi2 on 7/11/13 at 6:33

Kosh, just like they want government to stay out of peoples' lives unless it concerns abortion or gay marriage.

By: yogiman on 7/11/13 at 6:48

Why should anyone be given credit for breaking the law? Why is citizenship given to children born here whose mother was an illegal alien?

How many other nations give free citizenship to children born there with an illegal alien parent?

There was an interesting article on the Hannity show last night that showed where instruction posts were placed along the border in English, Spanish and Chinese. They even had water bottles at those posts. Why does our government want to welcome illegal aliens to our nation?

And Kosh III, if they want freedom, why don't they start a rebellion in their home nation and take their freedoms from their nation government like our ancestors did for us. Why are you so willing to give our freedom to citizens of other nations?

And the only difference I see between Bush and Obama, KoshIII, is Bush was in that office legally, Obama isn't.

By: bfra on 7/11/13 at 7:24

Brainless blob & his Fox BS!

By: Kosh III on 7/11/13 at 7:39

"Why are you so willing to give our freedom to citizens of other nations?"

Liberty and justice for ALL.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 7/11/13 at 7:41

Kosh, THAT is the American way!

By: bfra on 7/11/13 at 7:46

Not with brainless blob, he is just as selfish as he is stupid! One of the reasons he cheats the government by claiming he lives on a farm.

By: yogiman on 7/11/13 at 7:52

You're a good comedian, bfra. Or should I say joker?

Yes, liberty and justice for all Americans, Kosh III. And justice for all illegal aliens in our courts. By your argument there should be a one world government where all are considered equal. But they aren't.

An interesting billboard in Georgia. And it's about a Republican Senator, kids. Have fun...

www.wnd.com/billboard-has-eye-popping-message-on-illegals/?cat_orig=politics/

By: yogiman on 7/11/13 at 7:57

To keep y'all up to date, there's new news about Barry's birth certificate. Wanna see it?

www.wnd.com/2013/06/obama-birth-certificate-doubts-head-to-capitol/

and oops, I left 2013/07 out of my previous post. It should have read www.wnd.com/2013/07/billboard....

By: bfra on 7/11/13 at 7:58

Brainless blob is really mixed up today, must still be looking for that hole in the ground!

By: Kosh III on 7/11/13 at 8:00

World Nut Daily--yeah that's a credible source, you betcha by golly.

One more time: it is not a criminal offense--it's civil. Do you not know the distinction?

Elizabeth Warren: President 2016!

By: Kosh III on 7/11/13 at 8:04

"By your argument there should be a one world government where all are considered equal."

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness."

"men" is used in the species sense, not gender.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 7/11/13 at 8:04

CBO: Immigration bill would decrease deficit by $197 billion over 10 years

http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/06/18/19025889-cbo-immigration-bill-would-decrease-deficit-by-197-billion-over-10-years?lite

In a boost for proponents of comprehensive immigration reform, a new report from the Congressional Budget Office estimates that the immigration bill currently being debated in the Senate would increase the U.S. population by 10.4 million and would decrease federal budget deficits by $197 billion between 2014 and 2023.

The much-anticipated report indicates that enacting the legislation would create new federal outlays of about $262 billion in the first decade but would increase revenues – largely from new income and payroll taxes – by $459 billion.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 7/11/13 at 8:05

Yeah, Kosh - as if wnd is a reliable source! LMAO.

By: Kosh III on 7/11/13 at 8:18

blanket
it's just a credible as Fox LOL

By: Blanketnazi2 on 7/11/13 at 8:22

It's pathetic when a person can't comprehend the difference between a factual source and one that is not. There's no reasoning with someone who is that stupid. It's pointless to try to talk to someone who does not have the ability to comprehend.

By: budlight on 7/11/13 at 8:25

Can someone tell me which country or countries allow people to just come and go across their borders without proper doucmentation or authorization?

Please just name the country or countries.

By: Kosh III on 7/11/13 at 8:28

Other countries are not pertinent.

By: budlight on 7/11/13 at 8:32

Well, yes they are. They are examples of how to manage borders properly and how to manage ingress and egress from your country; and an example of how to make sure you know who is in your country. You know, things like are they criminals, do they have communicable diseases, have they had their polio shots, etc.

It is pertinent and relevant to health, safety and national security.

There used to be an old saying "no news is good news". Now "no news" means White House Cover Up.

Kosh, what is your address? I have some people who need a place to stay and some food to eat, so I want to know if you mind if they just show up and start living at your place and living on your dime?

By: Kosh III on 7/11/13 at 8:34

"They are examples of how to manage borders properly and how to manage ingress and egress from your country; and an example of how to make sure you know who is in your country. "

Some good examples of countries that do that: E. Germany and Cuba.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 7/11/13 at 8:34

bud, are you assuming the bill doesn't address border control? Have you even READ the bill? Because your questions are not relevant to what the bill is addressing.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 7/11/13 at 8:35

North Korea is also on that list, Kosh. Yeah, we really want to follow those examples! Just like following the examples of limited government - Sudan and Nigeria are good examples of that.

By: Kosh III on 7/11/13 at 8:36

" I have some people who need a place to stay and some food to eat,"

Your kids giving you trouble?

By: MamaG on 7/11/13 at 8:43

KIII-You know she "don't know nuthin' bout birthin' no babies!"

I was hoping she was asking for those countries because she was looking for a new place to move to. She keeps talking about all the Hispanics in her community. We all know how she feels about "them."

By: Blanketnazi2 on 7/11/13 at 8:45

Mama, since the U.S. is based on a secular model maybe they should move and create the theocracy they so desperately want.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 7/11/13 at 8:48

People who make comments like that didn't take even a remedial civics class and have no understanding whatsoever of how government works.

By: yogiman on 7/11/13 at 8:51

There has been border laws on the books for decades, B2, but the federal government has not kept them enforced.

And Kosh III, you should learn the difference between civil law and criminal law.

A civil law is a dispute in a civil litigation. A criminal law is when someone commits a crime. You know, like sneaking across the nation's border.

How can committing such a crime become a civil law?

By: MamaG on 7/11/13 at 8:51

Right, BN2. That Utopia where Jesus is blue-eyed, blond, and fair of skin and loves only those who look just like that.

By: yogiman on 7/11/13 at 8:56

B2,

There is two types of law, civil and criminal. Civil laws are cases filed by private parties against other private parties.

A criminal law is a case filed by the government on a crime committed against the government's laws.

So tell me, how can illegal aliens coming across our nation's border be the breaking of a civil law if they are criminals for breaking our nation's law?

By: budlight on 7/11/13 at 8:58

Kosh, I was thinking more along the lines of Australia, New Zealand, Norway, Sweden, Denmark, West Germany, Poland, Italy, even Russia. They know who comes and goes as do many other countries.

East Germany's wall was put up to keep people IN and Cuba is a well documented failure.

I don't have children and couldn't have them. So what?
And I am all for LEGAL IMMIGRATION. There is a fundamental difference in LEGAL immigration and ILLEGALLY coming into the country. Of course, you all know that, but want to disregard it.

And blanket I think you're assumptive and condescending in your 9:48 statement. You are not the only person educated in the world. So stop trying to run people down just because their opinion is different from yours. I know legal people from Mexico (etc) who did the right thing, stood in line and paid their dues. Even they don't want illegal immigration to be rewarded. Do it the right way. It works if you work it.

By: yogiman on 7/11/13 at 9:04

And by the way, B2, I'm still waiting to be re-educated on Barry's eligibility.

Two points to consider: If he was born as a British subject in Kenya and raised in Indonesia and Hawaii as he advertised for 16 years, when did he become a natural born American citizen after his adoption into Indonesian citizenship?

And if he was born in Hawaii as he claimed when he "threw his hat in the ring", how did he become a natural born American citizen after his adoption into Indonesian citizenship?

Please help me, I'm still trying to figure that out.

By: brrrrk on 7/11/13 at 9:06

Kosh III said on 7/11/13 at 7:11

"If OUR President proposed to round them all up and deport them and then militarize the borders with a 100ft electrified fence, suddenly the TeaNut Fascist Republicans would be demanding amnesty."

Perfect example, Medicare. It's no secret that the GOP hates Medicare. But when the Obama administration cut spending to the Medicare program by going after fraud and making the program more efficient (as opposed to cutting benefits as the GOP claimed), the GOP howled bloody murder!!! Hypocrites.... every one of them.

By: gdiafante on 7/11/13 at 9:11

Honestly, some of the arguments make no sense. To those who are against amnesty, how do you propose a broke nation pay for the deportation of 12 million? The logistics alone would be a nightmare. The irony is that (1) the current administration has deported more people than not and (2) the very ones who are complaining about the ineffectiveness of government now requires more government action.

There is legal precedent for amnesty as Reagan authorized in 1986. That was the correct action then, and it’s the correct action now. Unfortunately, compromise and critical thinking are currently as archaic as the fashion sense of 1986.

And FYI, teaching Yogi the basic concepts of citizenship is akin to teaching a Kindergartener the fundamentals of Hamiltonian mechanics. It’s better to just laugh, pat them gently on the head and tell them someday

By: brrrrk on 7/11/13 at 9:19

gdiafante said on 7/11/13 at 10:11

"And FYI, teaching Yogi the basic concepts of citizenship is akin to teaching a Kindergartener the fundamentals of Hamiltonian mechanics."

ROFLMAO!!!

Monkeys can be taught to use sign language.... so maybe there's hope?

By: yogiman on 7/11/13 at 9:52

How about another good laugh, gdiafante,and explain to me what Barack Obama meant in his debate with Alan Keyes in 2004 when Keyes accused him of being born in Kenya and he stated; "So what? I'm running for Illinois senator, not the presidency.

He was either making a joke or he was admitting he was born in Kenya? Which one do you pick?

By: gdiafante on 7/11/13 at 9:54

**patting yogi on the head**

Someday...

By: Blanketnazi2 on 7/11/13 at 9:57

gdiafante said on 7/11/13 at 10:11

"And FYI, teaching Yogi the basic concepts of citizenship is akin to teaching a Kindergartener the fundamentals of Hamiltonian mechanics."

EXACTLY. That's why I won't respond to his stupid birther stuff. When he uses wmd as his source - that alone tells you he doesn't have the mental capacity to understand the facts. Completely pointless.