Up for Debate: North Korea's rhetoric

Thursday, April 4, 2013 at 12:16am

What do you make of North Korea's latest actions? Do you continue to take the threats with a grain of salt? At what point should the U.S. step up and call the bet? Or is that even an option?

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By: Ask01 on 4/4/13 at 6:21

North Korean leadership, such as it is, has been responsible for provocative statements and actions for years. The saber rattling is nothing new.

Many countries make all manner of threats and bluffs, most of which is mere rhetoric and political posturing. China, Russia, and others, thanks to the complicated interdependency of global eceonomics, have too much to lose to actually follow through with any bluffs.

North Korea, however, is unique among other antagonistic regimes in that their leaders are probably certifiable as outhouse rat crazy.

I think we need to be ready to take whatever action may be required, and need to enter into secret negotiation beforehand with China and Russia to ensure they will not interfer when we take out the latest Kim.

Iran might be a cause for concern because of their ties to North Korea, but I think Russia and China might be able to keep the leash taut.

While we should probably just ignore N Korea like an annoying yapping dog, we should not hesitate if provoked to take appropriate action if we or South Korea are attacked. The action should be total this time, with the aim of subduing the North then letting the South take control of the entire penninsula. We should then get out of Dodge and allow the locals to run the show.

Somehow, I think South Korea would be more than able to manage unlike the last few places we tried to help establish democracy.

China and Russia could issue stern statements of disapproval while secretly being relieved a rabid dog had been put down. This would leave Iran as the only nut case country about which the world should have legitimate concerns.

Perhaps the big three, the United States, Russia, and China could be enough of a deterent they, Iran, would behave for a while until we could covertly back a coup to overthrow their government.

By: Loner on 4/4/13 at 6:49

Good morning, Nashville.

The nonsensical ravings coming out of Kim-the-Grandson offer further evidence that ingesting too much Korean kimchi, at an early age, causes brain damage. The microorganisms that ferment the cabbage also ferment the brains of the kimchi addict, causing delusions of grandeur and a loss of the ability to reason.....and terminal bad breath.

Lil Kim is a kimchi addict and he's out of control....he's a rotten cabbage patch kid.

But seriously...the US created a nuclear scofflaw state in Israel; the Chinese created a nuclear scofflaw state in North Korea....we created Frankenstein....the Chinese created the bride of Frankenstein....we should pull the plug on our failed experiment and the Chinese should terminate their mistake too....we should rid the world of Frankenstein and the Chinese need to destroy his bride.....before they destroy their creators and everyone else on the planet.

By: treehugger7 on 4/4/13 at 7:11

Since the leader is such a basketball fan, why don't we send the Rutgers coach to North Korea and teach them a lesson!

By: Rasputin72 on 4/4/13 at 7:17

I wonder what Las Vegas has as the odds of the missle hitting a US target versus a splash in the the ocean?

This is a good time in history for a dunce like Nemo or the North Korean dunce to attack the U.S. Our President has shown that he will do nothing but investigate and find some reson that a mistake was was made that precipitated the attack. I give ypu the destruction of our embassy and the killing of our Ambassador.

This is also a good time. for those Americans 60 to 75 years of age and wealthtunate they were in hindsight to be born in the United States when they were.

There is nothing more enjoyable than a little game of nuclear brinksmanship with a third rate broken country led by a dunce to take my mind off the deterioration of the United States.

I would bet a large sum of money that the average IQ of a North Korean is on average 10 points higher than the average IQ of Davidson county public school student and I will include Hume Fogg and Julia Green.

It may be even 15 points higher.

By: treehugger7 on 4/4/13 at 7:21

You sure create some interesting words, Rasp...can you give me the definition of wealthunate?

By: govskeptic on 4/4/13 at 7:25

Both N. Korea and So. Korea have new leaders, which might be problem number
one for all concerned. With a million man army, any threats from the North can't
be totally ignored, especially by the South Koreans. The US has 28,000 soldiers
there that would certainly be on the front line of any aggression, which is the bulk
of our own problem. The actions of the Chinese, or lack thereof, is still both a
mystery, solution, or biggest problem for our country and they know it and love it.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 4/4/13 at 7:30

gov, it'll be interesting to see how the Chinese react. I doubt they want us to send a lot of our military that close to their borders.

By: Rasputin72 on 4/4/13 at 7:35

Treehugger....,.Wealthunate means that you are so rich you cannot piss it all way in the short time you have left on this earth.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 4/4/13 at 7:38

Rasp, what would you know about "wealthunate"? By the looks of the profile pic on your website you look more like one of the People of Walmart than you do the wealthy success story that you tried to portray. I guess the "country club" didn't have much of a dress code for that cocktail party, huh? You're a pathetic joke.

By: treehugger7 on 4/4/13 at 7:39

Not in my dictionary...

By: Blanketnazi2 on 4/4/13 at 7:41

http://koreajoongangdaily.joinsmsn.com/news/article/article.aspx?aid=2969614&cloc=joongangdaily|home|newslist1

It looks like the relationship between North Korea and China is becoming restrained.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 4/4/13 at 7:48

You know, here's an interesting idea.......

Perhaps Uen is worried about the generals respecting him. Maybe this is a good way to dispose of the generals who would vie for power. Have a short war - long enough to kill off most of the rivals (political challengers) - appeal to China to mediate peace then work on reforms without much of anyone to challenge him.

It's a longshot but you never know. The guy is Western educated.

By: treehugger7 on 4/4/13 at 7:56

That makes sense, Blanket, or should I call you Blanketnate?

By: Rasputin72 on 4/4/13 at 8:01

Blankket.......I do not follow underclass websites. If you find a website that fits your imagination and need for human parity that is a good thing.

Remember this, very rarely does imagination and reality find common ground.

By: Jughead on 4/4/13 at 8:04

Balls.

By: Jughead on 4/4/13 at 8:05

I hope when they fire one it lands on the Democratic Nation Convention, or Hollywood.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 4/4/13 at 8:09

Blanketnate. That has a nice ring to it. :)

By: Blanketnazi2 on 4/4/13 at 8:11

Un does have Western tastes and he may want reform and that's about the only way he could do it. He would have to remove the old generals without getting killed (or at least a hope of surviving) and war would give him the means to that end.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 4/4/13 at 8:12

That would explain why they don't want China to mediate which is what always happened in the past. He has refused any envoy from China since he gained power.

By: BenDover on 4/4/13 at 8:28

Ones patience for nation-building seems to be related to whether or not they support the current U.S. President.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 4/4/13 at 8:31

What do you mean, Ben?

By: budlight on 4/4/13 at 8:50

Gov, north korea has a million man army, you say. But what is the size of the army in south korea? It is my understanding that every single male of 18 goes into the military for 2 years. So they are all trained. Wouldn't their numbers be higher than a million if they called up their reserves (or retired)?

Well, let China clean up their own mess in North Korea. I do not trust China or North Korea. Or maybe Japan can handle it.

The US needs to shut up and stay out of it. I don't think all the jokes on talk shows help either. And what does Dennis Rodman have to say about the nuke threats? Or is he just as happy as a pig in a poke to be chumming it up with a potential mass killer? I bet that chubby little boy has already killed many or had them killed.

Pray for God to intervene. He can, if we just pray as a nation. He is all powerful.

By: BenDover on 4/4/13 at 9:04

Ask01's optimism and everyone else's indifference as to what Obama may do about North Korea.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 4/4/13 at 9:07

You're as bad as yogi, Ben. Turning any topic into a way to complain about Obama.

By: BenDover on 4/4/13 at 9:18

When was the last time you saw Ask beat the war drums, blanket?

By: Blanketnazi2 on 4/4/13 at 9:23

Ben, you would be complaining if he didn't.

By: BenDover on 4/4/13 at 9:26

Oh... it's common sense Blanket. But contrast it to what Ask would have said if Bush was still president.

By: govskeptic on 4/4/13 at 9:26

Correcting a previous statement by a poster: Kim-Jung-Un was not educated
in the US, but in Switzerland and Korea. In fact, there's no records he's ever
even been to the US.

By: Loner on 4/4/13 at 9:29

There is only one clear and undeniable certainty here....no matter what President Obama does, Senators John McCain , LIndsey Graham and Ted Cruz will oppose it...the entire Tea Party wing of the GOP will denounce it....and Ben Dover will pray for another son-of-a-Bush to come along and save the Republic from the leftists.

Clearly, BHO is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't on this Korean threat and every other issue. Historically, external threats created internal cohesion...but those days are long gone....today, it's all about winning elections and serving the special interest paymasters.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 4/4/13 at 9:29

My bad, gov. What I meant to say is that he has been exposed to Western through his education outside of North Korea.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 4/4/13 at 9:30

s/h/b "Western thought through his education outside of North Korea."

By: Blanketnazi2 on 4/4/13 at 9:31

Oh for cryin' out loud, Ben. You now are complaining due to speculation? Give it a rest. Or go join Yogi in his little hillbilly shack and hug guns together.

By: Loner on 4/4/13 at 9:33

Just this week, Chuck Hagel diverted an anti-missile battery that was supposed to go to Israel, to Guam....to counter the NK threat....the Israel lobby will undoubtedly point to that decision as proof that Hagel is an anti-Semite.

By: BenDover on 4/4/13 at 9:35

Whatever blanket... you know I'm right.

The doctrine that 'politics ends at the border' effectively ended around 2004 and was thoroughly trounced into oblivion by democrats in the run-up to the 2006 mid-terms and the 2008 election, loner.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 4/4/13 at 9:38

Want some cheese to go with that whine, Ben?

By: yogiman on 4/4/13 at 9:41

Facts are facts, B2. Stand by them.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 4/4/13 at 9:41

Your last statement shows that you still are suffering butthurt from the lost election and your opinions have more to do with that than it does what's actually going on with North Korea.

By: Loner on 4/4/13 at 9:45

Imagine if Mitt Romney were POTUS...Lil Kim tore up the Armistice Treaty, that would have been enough to resume the Korean War in earnest...John Bolton was on the short list for Sec Defense or State....the War Super Lobby would be chomping at the bit right about now....it's a good thing that we have a cool-headed POTUS....if you have a god or goddess, pray for the Prez.

By: yogiman on 4/4/13 at 9:47

Damn, you made an error in your 9:20 post, B2? Unbelievable. Quit making those intentional errors. You're fooling us too often.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 4/4/13 at 9:49

Indeed, Loner.

By: yogiman on 4/4/13 at 9:50

When did we get a new president, Loner? I thought we still had a usurper in office.

By: bfra on 4/4/13 at 9:52

Blanket - That is slick, yogi caught an error in your 9:20 post that is invisible.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 4/4/13 at 9:54

Just another delusional comment from the hillbilly troll, bfra.

By: BenDover on 4/4/13 at 10:00

Admit it loner... you'd be screaming to high heavens about how provocative we were being if we were doing exactly the same thing under Mittens.

By: Loner on 4/4/13 at 10:01

Ben, the general public started to wake up by 2006...the Global War On Terror was a neocon scheme to embroil the US in eternal holy war at Israel's behest...by 2008, they had had their fill of expensive, counter-productive military adventurism.

Although not fully awake, the American electorate is starting to come around....Holy Wars Suck....they suck time, troops and treasure...they suck the reason out of reasonable people.

Hopefully, Uncle Sam has not been so enamored of the apartheid Jewish State in Palestine that he has allowed a situation to develop in which the North Koreans might land a nuclear sucker punch. All that Iranian threat business distracted the old guy....let's hope that the NK threat to launch a nuclear strike at the US is simply an empty bluff.

By: Loner on 4/4/13 at 10:14

My point is that we would NOT be doing these same things, if Mitt had won the election....it's a safe bet that Mitt would over-react and up the ante in a high stakes nuclear crap game...especially with Bolton in there.

I think that Obama and Hagel are using judicious caution, they are not being deliberately provocative, in my view. Beefing up our anti-missile capabilities makes sense....and the recent US-SK war games were already scheduled; they were not in response to Kim's recent blusterings.

Hopefully, while we try to put up a shield, somebody in the Pentagon has a plan to use the sword, should Lil Kim lose his mind completely and order a major offensive of some sort....a couple of cruise missiles...tipped with theater nuke warheads....there goes Kim....there goes the top brass....if the million-man army marches South; get out the Big Can of RAID....you won't be able to reason with them....you just spray them.

Of course, nobody knows how the Chinese might react to Operation RAID.....that's the rub.....they got a few cans too.

By: BenDover on 4/4/13 at 10:15

Al Qaeda woke up after watching the political opportunism that began in the lead-up to the '04 election when Joe Wilson decided to use his fragment of intel. as a political football for John Kerry. The fall-out when Richard Armitage slipped up and mentioned Plame's name to Novak became blood in the water for Bush and war Critics in the media and political spectrum. After watching this spectacle along with all the "you lied!" rhetoric of people like Kerry, Gore and H. Clinton Al Qaeda decided they didn't have to win this thing on the battlefield... they could win it in the American media. This also spooked the Iraqi people because they lost any certainty they had that the US wouldn't bail on them and leave them to certain demise as we had done under GHWB in '91. The politics in the matter added at least 5 years to the conflict.

By: BenDover on 4/4/13 at 10:17

As Blanket would say, " You now are complaining due to speculation?" , Loner

By: yogiman on 4/4/13 at 10:17

Hee hee, so you both noticed my intentional 'error'. It's good you're at staying alert on my error, so now quit making your own.

By: yogiman on 4/4/13 at 10:24

The fact is, Loner, you have no idea what way any other person in that office would re-act.

If you did they should have you in their office as an adviser... and I'm sure they could use your advice on Israel.