What's your reaction to the news that the Obama administration would block the Texas voter ID law, of which several other states also have a similar law?
There isn't a shred of evidence that voter fraud has had an impact on any recent elections. This is a blatant attempt by Republicans (the Democrats certainly aren't sponsoring these bills) to supress the votes of likely Democratic voters- low income, elderly, minorities and immigrants. I'm glad the Justice Dept. has intervened in Texas, and I hope they do the same in Tennessee.
Memphis on election day... "Bring out yer dead!"
Holder's 'justice' department is the most politically driven, activist, justice department in history.
Got any evidence that voter fraud changed the outcome of any election (in Memphis, or anywhere else), Ben? Didn't think so...
No "voter fraud"? The 2000 National election comes to mind.
Butterfly ballots that didn't line up right, Diebold's CEO saying "George W. Bush will win this election, no matter what...", overseas military ballots not counted or found in car trunks, dead people and their pets voting.....the list is as ridiculous as it it endless.
d7- Other than "dead people and their pets voting," which I doubt you can prove had any effect on any elections outcome (even if you could prove it happened in the first place), nothing you mention would have been affected by these Republican voter supression laws anyway.
Well, "fraud", means "fake", and intentionally misleading. That's the platform of the Republican Party.
"Well, "fraud", means "fake", and intentionally misleading. That's the platform of the Republican Party."
Good morning, Nashville!
Like anything else, there are the published good reasons for doing this and then there are the obscured, unpublicized real reasons for doing this.
We have all heard the good reasons: Only legally eligible voters should be allowed to vote,,,,we all agree on that.
But the real reasons for laws like the voter ID laws is to suppress the vote and to intimidate the voters...especially those voters on the bottom of the socioeconomic scale.
Right-wing Republicans are pushing for these unnecessary and oppressive new laws; those folks don't want blacks, Hispanics and poor white folks exercising their constitutional rights.....this is an old tactic that goes back to the poll tax era, when Jim Crow ruled the South and the KKK marched openly and proudly down the main streets of many Southern villages and cities.
A vote for the Tea-Party infused Republican Party is a vote to return to the bad old days of white supremacy and rule by the "good old boys".
By: BenDover on 3/13/12 at 6:02
Wrong. Adolf Hitler's Justice Department was the most politically driven, activist, justice department in history....modern history, that is....if we go back to the Chosen People and their "departments of justice"...or take a look at the Roman Empire we can see that Eric Holder and Barack Obama are not the worst judicial villains in history.
Take a look back at Richard Nixon's "Justice" Department. John Mitchell was several degrees worse than Holder, IMO.
Holder is not my hero...he shut down the Medical Marijuana dispensaries in California and several other states. And he bungled the "guns to the Mexican drug cartels" SNAFU. Holder sucks, but he is far from the worst jurist in history.
Why should anyone be ashamed to identify themselves to vote? The only ones I can think of are those wanting to cheat on an election.
The only ones I can think of not wanting to identify themselves are the crooks and uneducated, ignorant people.
None of them seem rebuttal about a photographed driver's license, even to buy beer. So, what is their reason for not wanting to identify themselves for their right to vote for their president?
These laws are an attempt to remove a small portion of the 1.8 million
names of dead, illegal, and imprisoned persons the Democrats have
been able to get onto the voter roles across the country. Although these
1.8 million are a small part that make up the party, the President will
need many of these votes for Re-election and 4 more year for Eric
Holder to clean up 200 yrs of despised history! We can't judge this
administration on those of the past that we know, because this one
isn't finished yet!
Yogi and govskeptic regurgitating the GOPTP talking points- what a surprise.
I'm sorry, Loner, Ummm...and dargent, but your claims are bold-faced lies. NOBODY is trying to suppress anyone from voting and keeping them from exercising their constitutional rights. It's only common sense to ask that everyone who votes have a photo ID of some kind to prevent any kind of abuse. We all know there has been fraud in the past.
Dargent, whether you want to admit it or not, it was VP Al Gore's goons who would not allow those overseas military ballots to be counted in 2000. It's undeniable.
Loner, as a former college debate coach, I will call you on your fallacious arguments about Republicans being the new KKK and returning to Jim Crow days. Don't give me that tired old argument that today's Republicans are yesterday's Southern Democrats and, yes, it was Democrats who were the racists of those days and still are in the rural areas of this country, NOT Republicans. You want to talk about voter intimidation? It was always Democrats who were guilty of it.
I know that many elderly Americans can't drive anymore and therefore can't have a drivers' license, but they can still get a photo ID and use that to vote. The same can be done for Hispanics and others who don't drive. What else do you liberals propose to prevent any kind of fraud? You guys scream about disenfranchisement and other problems, but you don't propose any solutions to any of these problems. So, start looking at yourselves in the mirror.
My Monday protest gig in Orleans County is down to one protestor....the Lone One.
Actually, I got more horns honking and peace signs flashed solo, as opposed to working with a small crowd.
A car pulled up to the sidewalk I was standing on, as I held my "HOLY WARS SUCK" sign...the car's window went down and the young male driver leaned over and said, "I'm an Afghanistan war veteran, do you consider that a holy war?".
I responded that, IMO, it was a holy war...he yelled, "F*ck you, mother f*cker !!" and then he laid a small patch of rubber..his "girlfriend" next to him, up front, flipped me off as they patched out...I remember the good old days, when cars could leave a healthy patch of rubber...this guy's car was as weak and timid as he appeared to be....barely a chirp of the tires....a tiny scuff mark on the asphalt....pitiful.
A car full of "Squidbilly" types pulled into that same space an hour later...the window rolls down....a young Appalachian-type male asks me, "What does your sign mean?"....I made it quick and simple...they drove off nodding in agreement.
Another guy walks up to me and says, "Hey, all wars suck, don't they?" I said yes, but holy wars of a peculiar way of sucking the humanity of of human beings....he agreed.
Finally, a guy in a thick sweater and knit-stocking cap comes up to me...it was in the balmy 60 degree range outside....he starts talking about the "Illuminati" and Alex Jones....must have had tin foil under that knit cap.
Nothing quite like exercising one's right to protest....very entertaining and enlightening.
rldavenport, prove that there is a need for these Republican voter supression laws. CIte verifiable instances where voter impersonations have changed the outcome of ANY election- just one. You can't because the whole "voter fraud problem" is a creation of those who wanted an excuse to supress the vote (the GOPTP).
Mister Davenport....it is true that Abe Lincoln was a Republican and the confederate secessionists were Democrats. That dynamic, the Democratic Solid South and the largely Republican North - remained in place from the ante-bellum period through 1964. Jim Crow and the KKK were creations of the Democratic Party....before LBJ and the Civil Right Laws infuriated the Democrats in Dixie.
Tricky Dick Nixon decided to capitalize on and exploit the Southern segregationist's discontent with LBJ, the Democratic Party and the Civil Rights Law. He reached out to Bubba with his "Southern strategy". It worked....Nixon was an A-hole, but he was never an idiot.
When Northern Republicans realized that racist Southern theocrats had hijacked their party and that they carried in a racist agenda with them, they left the GOP in droves. A great realignment had occurred....it remains in effect today.
BTW, if you were a collegiate level debate coach, I expect to see nothing but first class debating coming from you...let's see what the old coach has still got...bring it on!
Saying there's no voter fraud over and over again doesn't make it so.
Are you ashamed to show your identity when asked to show your driver's license? If you smoke or drink beer, are you ashamed to show you identity when buying those items?
Doesn't it seem strange that the argument of the democratic party is the main objection for requiring a photo ID.
Well, sorry, no, that really isn't strange.
It was the dems trying to steal that election, d'arge, by only recounting districts that statistically benefited Gore for added votes. Daley's an old pro at such shenanigans.
Bush simply went to court to protect his win.
The supreme court held 7 to 2 (yes, including the bench's uber libs) that this was a violation of the 14th Amendment's equal protection clause.
The Gore strategy of 'recount until I get a number I like' exploits the margin of error in the election and particularly in the recount process itself.
Moonglow1: Obama needs to block Tennesse's law too.
For those that are intellectually astute, Obama has been pretty much transparent since he began his quest for the highest office in the land. For those that thought "Hope and Change" meant something good for themselves and this country I think Obama and his antics with immigration and underclass protection pretty much show them what "Hope and Change really meant.
Those of us who have achieved so much in this wonderful country of years past are now facing years of heavy taxation and increased individual costs. Obama is determined to make those that are pennlless,worthless,social and financial failures equals.
History says that the only thing that happens when the underclass take over a democracy is that decadence,poverty and ruin take over the country. You cannot create equality among mankind. You can only create an environment that gives every man a chance to rise to his talents and ambition, This is not what socialism and Obamaism is about.
Too many typos...here is a corrected version of a screwed up sentence in my 8:09 post:
"Another guy walks up to me and says, "Hey, all wars suck, don't they?" I said yes, but holy wars have a peculiar way of sucking the humanity out of human beings....he agreed."
BenDover, nobody has said there isn't any voter fraud. I'm asking you to show any proof that voter impersonation has changed the outcome of any election, and you can't. This is a "problem" created by the GOPTP to serve their own ends- suppression of the Democratic vote. If you can't see that, you're just blind.
BenDover........Your comment at 5.58 AM is the most entertaining and unfortunately truly accurate comment of the day.
The supreme court settled this in '08. Holder is exploiting the civil rights act of '64 and in my opinion perpetrating a violation of the 14ths Equal protection mandate by letting minority run voting districts go Machiavellian in their cooperation with Democrat candidates. They are picking on Texas because the senate race is on the bubble and this can be enough to swing it. Election observers had best be super vigilant there or they are going to steal that Senate seat.
The 7-2 USSC decision was not the final vote, Ben, that was a vote on a procedural jurisdictional aspect of the Gore vs Bush clusterf*ck. The final and deciding vote was 5-4, not 7-2.
Associate Justice Clarence Thomas should have recused, in the opinion of many, since he was appointed by one of the litigant's father...he didn't recuse...he voted for Junior Bush....one could say that his vote...an ethically tainted vote....decided the outcome of the tainted election.
Orleans county protesting, sounds as soothing as frogs fussing!
7-2 on the violation of equal protection. 5-4 to end the recount to assure uniformity of the treatment of the votes, loner.
Too bad we can't go back and change the 2000 election- we could have avoided paying a trillion dollars for an unjustified war and a ruined economy in the bargain.
The National Election in 2000 was the bigest farce in American history.
Hanging chads ring a bell? Old people have no upper-body strength. 50% cannot see 20/20. They could not "punch a ballot".
The "butterfly ballot" wasn't even lined up correctly.
Florida, run by "Jeb" Bush, Kathrine Harris, and SCOTUS had it in for Gore.
Had Gore become President, no way would we have gone into Iraq.
Well, we got Bush, and two wars not worth spit.
And if any of these gaggle of GOP liars currently running against Obama become President, we'll bomb Iran in the 1st 90 days.
That will make the USA the most hated country on the planet and in American history.
Make an abortion a criminal offense, a felony. Make obtaining contraception a Class 3 Misdemeanor. Teaching Evolution in schools a firable offense. We'll drill all over America, Gulf Coast, Anwar....relax all clean air/ water stardards, abolish the EPA.
It showcases just how sick in the head/ mind/ soul/ the Republican Party is.
how do you really feel, d'arge?
It is funny how only the GOP Governors think we need Voter ID. This is just another dirty trick by the GOP, but thank goodness the American people are finally waking up to this discrimination.
The Republican Party used every trick in the Banana Republic's Book of Election Fraud to defeat the democratic process in 2000.
The state in question, FL, was governed by the brother of one of the candidates..one of the litigants....and the case was decided based upon the vote of a judge appointed by that candidate's father. Very third-worldish. It made America look bad....we were bad.
Now, these same fraudsters want to "clean up" the alleged election fraud? That's like putting Bernie Madoff on the Security & Exchange Commission's Board of Trustees.
The unstated goal of the voter ID card campaign is deliberate and targeted voter suppression.
This nation has gotten along just fine without these new-fangled, expensive, photo-ID, voting cards...they are probably easily defeated by savvy hacker-types anyway. Whose making money from producing these cards? How much are they kicking back to lawmakers? This is a sham, a scam and a flim-flam.
Govseptic, protesting can be entertaining and enlightening, but seldom soothing...even in frog-infested Orleans County....Northern swamp people out there....in pick-up trucks.
I'll agree, pswindle, that it's funny why only the GOP governors think we need voter ID.
But what I find funnier is that the Democrat governors think we shouldn't be required to identify ourselves at the voting booth.
Ever wonder why?
Isn't it odd? If Al Gore could carry his "home" state there would have been no question as to the winner in 2000; but he didn't. I guess the damn fools in Tennessee knew him much better than you democrats only wanting a dumboycrapper as your president.
I wonder.... just how many of you out there that make these voter fraud claims have actually worked an election? Because if they did, they would quickly realize that the organized effort it would take to have ANY effect on an election makes the idea of voter fraud pretty much a joke. It's far easier to have an effect on an election through intimidation, disenfranchisement, and putting road blocks in the way of voting itself.
And let's not forget the words of Paul Wehrich, father of the right-wing movement and co-founder of the Heritage Foundation and Moral Majority who said.......
"Why should anyone be ashamed to identify themselves to vote? The only ones I can think of are those wanting to cheat on an election."
Should be followed by....'',because that's what I would do". It's called projection.....
Are you speaking for only yourself, brrrrk, that you would resent proving who you are to cast a vote?
Let me throw that little argument at you, brrrrk: If he had been required to identify himself, do you think Barry Soetoro (i.e., Barack Obama) would have run in the presidential race in 2008?
I doubt it.
Can you explain why Nancy Pelosi issued a different affidavit to the Secretary of State of Hawaii than she did to the other 49 Secretaries of State (or was it 57)? Was that an honest mistake, or an outright fraud?
"Are you speaking for only yourself, brrrrk, that you would resent proving who you are to cast a vote?"
Read first, comprehend second.... then spew. Oh hell, if you're yogi skip steps one and two and go right to spew.
Mitt ain't got nuthin' on Santorum.....
Interesting. I notice the Air Force has established 2 full squadrons until late November for the "president's" use in campaigning. Ain't it great we can furnish him free transportation to campaign?
I always show an ID or registration card when I vote. Never a problem and never will be. This is just in the mind of the evil GOP that has taken over TN. With the take over of the GOP the democrats cannot not win a state-wide race. The church related voters do not look at the best candidate, they look for the R and that is how they vote.
I just received an email from a nephew that I hadn't thought about before. I thought I'd pass it along to you true Constitutionally inclined Americans. And its okay if you others want it, too.
If you haven't already heard of it, it seems a receptionist asked a cop about the process of getting some pepper spray because her church was in a "bad" part of town and she had a fear someone might try to rob her on a Monday morning when she was doing the bookwork on their Sunday collection.
The cop advised her to get a can of wasp spray which he said is much better than pepper spray on that issue. It seems you have to be too close for the pepper spray to take effect but the wasp spray will shoot 20 to 30 feet and if it gets in their eyes it will blind them until they can get treated a a hospital.
You fellas can pass it on to your spouses, or even your girl friends... unless you're afraid of them.
I beg to differ, pswindle.
I believe you will find more ignorant dumbocraps voting purely for a democrat candidate than you will a republican voting strictly for a republican candidate, when they both should be voting for the best one for the job.
And, by that, I mean the best one for the benefit of our nation.
AND THAT WOULD BE PRESIDENT OBAMA!
BS times 100, pswindle.
To accept someone as your president whom you know nothing about exposes your ignorance too much. And don't tell me you know who the man is. If you do, you're one of a select few.
Don't you ever wonder why he refuses to prove who he is? Sorry, I didn't mean to insult you.
I like to know who's sitting in our Oval Office able to put our nation in harm's way.
Jimmy Carter is for picture ID for voting.
One good thing about him, but I can't think of anything else.